Guild Wars 2

Wondered how DH, Druid and Auramancer reached meta status before Reaper did but I’m glad it’s there now. Been running Carrion Chills since they buffed it to do DOT.

Been spoiled with Reaper and can no longer function playing a core necromancer. Condi or power, Reaper just feels more superior.

abc.5790:

Been spoiled with Reaper and can no longer function playing a core necromancer. Condi or power, Reaper just feels more superior.

+1, can’t go back, won’t go back.

I’m not convinced Reaper is meta, so much as not bad anymore. There is a decent stretch between the two. That said, yeah core necro feels unplayable to me now.

Who included it on meta, btw? I am more than happy to see that, ofc, but just wondering what were the reasons and which build was included?

Once you go Reaper, you’d know it’s a keeper

What’s the specific line of demarcation between being meta and not being meta?

I think they basically look at how many times the build is used in tournaments. Many use the reaper: meta.

It’s mostly just if winning teams use a class/build, then it’s meta. Kinda like signet necro was “meta” even though really only Nos used it successfully with Abjured.

A Reaper has the same issues like the Necro before. Why should the Reaper now meta? He isnt the best zerker, or even the best condi … supporter, tank whatever, just like the Necro. He is just in a semi-good spot

In zerker i even feel not a great upgrade compared to necro. Dagger still hurts, and dont forget that a simple DS 1 can still hit for like 12k at distance ( good for Raid atm i think ). Okay the Reaper got cleave and a gravedigger.

Condition almost the same, he got some nice things like chill dmg, a finisher in shroud and a quicker shroudburn, but thats it. Most of the condi-dmg still comes from scepter and old traitlines.

I can understand that the Reaper feels in many situation better. But i cant realy see the jump from “almost last choise”-necro to “meta”-Reaper.

edit: ah we`re talking about PvP? Okay xD

Silverkey.2078:

I think they basically look at how many times the build is used in tournaments. Many use the reaper: meta.

I hope that’s not true … success in PVP is not equivalent to PVE success.

Been trying the build (only in hotjoin though). It lacks sustain (0 toughness and little healing capabilities), so you often end up asking yourself where your 28k hp went after 1 minute into a fight. Killing thieves who dance around you is almost impossible as all of your skills take a century to cast. Good thing though is the might stacking and condition burst IF you can land it. For instance, in a teamfight. But against burst classes like medi guards or power shiro, you stand 0 chance because of the long casttimes of your weapon skills. For 2 years now, every now and then I turn my attention to the condition necro and always conclude with the same issue:

GW2 is a fast paced game, with people teleporting, dodging, blinding etc etc. For 2 actions of the opponent, there is 1 action that you can do. Having the longest casttimes in the game for almost every weapon skill combined with the fact that your skills don’t really do that much and you have to land a full load of them is one of the biggest disadvantages you can have in a fast paced game. This does not really apply to power necro IMO, since dagger/warhorn is a rather very “fast” weapon set and combined with perma swiftness (when using pack runes) takes away the issue of being too slow.

I’m assuming that abc is referring to the metabattle.com conquest Meta section. I don’t go there often so I’m not clear on the prerequisites for making the list.

Guess I’m still the only weirdo who prefers conditionmancer. I play full zerk Reaper in PvE but WvW, which is what I primarily do, I’m still sticking with base Necro, full condition, and I still enjoy it more than Reaper, lol.

abc.5790:

Been spoiled with Reaper and can no longer function playing a core necromancer. Condi or power, Reaper just feels more superior.

This a million times over.

I’d still like a lot of things fixed so the class doesn’t feel so odd… (try explaining all the mechanics of any other profession to someone brand new, compared to Necro, see how that goes), but I’m really enjoying the feel of Reaper for the most part.

Here’s hoping the next big mechanics project is the addressing of subpar traitlines and abilities of core classes

Obtena.7952:

Silverkey.2078:

I think they basically look at how many times the build is used in tournaments. Many use the reaper: meta.

I hope that’s not true … success in PVP is not equivalent to PVE success.

Here it was clearly discussion about the PvP meta. The PvE meta has its own section, and is mostly defined by what DnT says as far as I understand…

For me, Reaper carrion chill is superior in every map except Khylo. I use my old skool power wells build there with staff d/w. Hehe. It’s unranked so I don’t mind. But come leagues, there’s no reason to not use your very best

Pimsley.3681:

Once you go Reaper, you’d know it’s a keeper

I think I cried a lil at this :’(

Silverkey.2078:

Obtena.7952:

Silverkey.2078:

I think they basically look at how many times the build is used in tournaments. Many use the reaper: meta.

I hope that’s not true … success in PVP is not equivalent to PVE success.

Here it was clearly discussion about the PvP meta. The PvE meta has its own section, and is mostly defined by what DnT says as far as I understand…

Clearly? You mean ‘not at all’? I see nothing indicating it’s a PVP-only discussion up the point where you made your post. I still don’t.

If Necromancer / Reaper are part of a meta, I would argue there is no meta, as Arenanet intended.

I don’t think reaper is really meta. I think reaper is very tough and hard to kill which is a huge asset when people haven’t mastered the mechanics. As people get better, reaper will be wanted less and other classes wanted more.

I could be wrong, but that’s my current take on it.

Chrono, Herald, Tempest, PS warrior, condi engi

Those are meta classes.

By meta, they mean its a common and good build at every level of play.

When I soloqueue, its not uncommone for there to be two-three condi-reapers on each team, myself included.

Whats more, a good number of the teams that qualified into the proleagues for NA ran reaper, either condi or cele. I don’t have the exact numbers off of my head, but spookie even got in with TWO reapers. Meanwhile, besides Nos, Oeggs plans to play it with apex, and there were a few others that play it or multiclass with it as well.

I’m also of the opinion that carrion or viper is much better than celestial. Cele reaper doesn’t have enough damage to kill druids or scrappers, which is the main reason you’d want to take a condi reaper in the first place… to lock down and kill all the cele bruisers 1v1, since most of the current meta cele bruisers poop on zerkers 1v1 but have relatively poor cleansing since they have up some cleanse to take their elite spec.

Whats more, is that condi reaper also destroys most chronomancer/daredevil/thief builds (though the ones with dash can be hard), and spike dragonhunters after their contemplation of purity gets used up, and can CC through Rev shield blocks and condi bomb to destry. Additionally, bunker guardian, shoutbow warrior, and D/D ele are all pretty much dead at the moment, meaning that teams don’t run as NEARLY as much cross-AoE condi cleanse as they used to, meaning you can now actually do damage in teamfights.

The only teamfighters with cross-cleansing I can think of right now are the rare soldier runes reaper/tempest (most tempest use durability and have kitten cleanse after diamond skin) and chronomancer builds that take inspiration over dueling, which are also really niche.

tl;dr- today is the day of the condi reaper. Go sow the fields with your 10 seconds of chilling cancer.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t think reaper is really meta. I think reaper is very tough and hard to kill which is a huge asset when people haven’t mastered the mechanics. As people get better, reaper will be wanted less and other classes wanted more.

I could be wrong, but that’s my current take on it.

Chrono, Herald, Tempest, PS warrior, condi engi

Those are meta classes.

While thats true for PvE, I’m pretty sure this thread is talking about PvP where PS warrior has never been a thing and condi engi gets eaten by condi necro, and condi necro actually eats all the other things on the list too.

nearlight.3064:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t think reaper is really meta. I think reaper is very tough and hard to kill which is a huge asset when people haven’t mastered the mechanics. As people get better, reaper will be wanted less and other classes wanted more.

I could be wrong, but that’s my current take on it.

Chrono, Herald, Tempest, PS warrior, condi engi

Those are meta classes.

While thats true for PvE, I’m pretty sure this thread is talking about PvP where PS warrior has never been a thing and condi engi gets eaten by condi necro, and condi necro actually eats all the other things on the list too.

PS warrior is not meta because Herald and tempest together is easy 25 stacks of might. all warrior brings is banners, and honestly, youre better off with DH or reaper

Pretty great build, might need some small changes (like most of the Elite specs). Hopefully Anet doesn’t ruin condi necro again in the next balance patch, like they did back in June.

nearlight.3064:

today is the day of the condi reaper. Go sow the fields with your 10 seconds of chilling cancer.

I had the most sinister grin on my face on Nov 4 upon reading about Deathly Chill’s new damage over time trait. Posted a comment on one of the threads here that day about how “right” everything felt.

Ive only been queuing solo but organized teams of veteran and tourney pvpers should consider having a Reaper in their line-up.

Nothing wrong with spreading putrid love.

Pimsley.3681:

nearlight.3064:

today is the day of the condi reaper. Go sow the fields with your 10 seconds of chilling cancer.

I had the most sinister grin on my face on Nov 4 upon reading about Deathly Chill’s new damage over time trait. Posted a comment on one of the threads here that day about how “right” everything felt.

Ive only been queuing solo but organized teams of veteran and tourney pvpers should consider having a Reaper in their line-up.

Nothing wrong with spreading putrid love.

Your damage output screams Carrion all over the place.