Guild Wars 2

Faxed a condo necro in wvw today. Not sure what traits she was running but I think it was 30/20/0/0/20. I’m a power necro and I’m pretty decent. Thing is this condi necro was dropping is like flies in our bl. 5 guys went for her and she killed us in a few sec. I know she used epidemic, and signet of locust and spectral armor.

I have a few questions.

1. How was she able to generate life force so quickly? I fought her 1v1 and I melted her life force but after she did her chains she was in ds with full life force.

2. What can I do as a power necro to deal with all the conditions and fears? Everyone she fears I pop a stun breaker but then I get feared again for 2-3 sec.

Anyone can help me? Or is this a if you can’t beat them join them situation?

Yea sounds like she has a build made specifically around fears… I haven’t played it but I know it is pretty strong.

Someone mentioned the other on Gw2Guru that Life Transfer seemed to be ticking for a lot more Life Force than it normally did. He was able to quickly regen his LF bar and go back to town on mobs. Though, from what you said, she was out of DS and then regened her LF quickly and went back in or what? I may just not be seeing what you meant.

She definitely has Terror and Master of Terror so it’s going to be a pain to deal with those. Unless you have a dagger offhand to transfer, you have a well and Consume… and that’s about it (unless I am forgetting something). I do not really pvp so no real suggestions for you there other than just being smart about when to use your condition cleanses.

Remember that she is built around keeping conditions on you and fearing you causing a lot of damage and using her DS to absorb as much of your attacks as possible. Try stunning her when she uses LT to stop that and put it on CD to keep her from regening her LF. Sorry I cannot give a lot more advice… other necros that PVP can probably give better on that end

Aevis.4632:

Faxed a condo necro in wvw today. Not sure what traits she was running but I think it was 30/20/0/0/20. I’m a power necro and I’m pretty decent. Thing is this condi necro was dropping is like flies in our bl. 5 guys went for her and she killed us in a few sec. I know she used epidemic, and signet of locust and spectral armor.

I have a few questions.

1. How was she able to generate life force so quickly? I fought her 1v1 and I melted her life force but after she did her chains she was in ds with full life force.

2. What can I do as a power necro to deal with all the conditions and fears? Everyone she fears I pop a stun breaker but then I get feared again for 2-3 sec.

Anyone can help me? Or is this a if you can’t beat them join them situation?

1. Condition gear also has high crit, so it is possible she took the 1% life force from 33% trait.

Another easy source of life force is the spectral skill spectral armor (as you mentioned), or spectral walk.

If she killed you in succession the deaths add to life force as well.

2. She has the same number of fears that you do: staff and DS 3. A necessity for any PvP necro is consume conditions, but I assume you already had that.

Since condition necros have no burst, use it wisely and patiently so as to consume as many bleeding stacks as possible.

As a power necro your DS translates to more damage than hers (I’m assuming you have the +50% to crit chance trait), this means that you should be using your staff against her as much as possible (in a 1v1 situation), as life force not only gives you more effective life but also the sum of the damage you deal during that extra life.

If you try and play it as you do with other classes, you will lose, because she probably has a lot more toughness and if she doesn’t, then still more damage. Power necros have to give up a lot of survivability (in terms of tougness) to deal damage compared to condition necros.

I am condition necro btw

Edit: I would also like to add that the condition spec is mostly a 1v1/SPvP spec, since there are so many sources of condition removal in WvW (where direct damage is king) along with the increased toughness on condition gear.

You’re sort of supposed to lose 1v1 as a power necro.

So, yeah, it’s sort of “if you can’t beat them, then join them”, but a condition necro will never be able to deal your kind of burst/sustained direct damage that is crucial in WvW.

1v1 is all I do in wvw mostly. Unless the groups need help. I mostly win all my 1v1 so I don’t know what you mean power necro is supposed to die 1v1.

Idk I guess I can go back to using d/d, staff. Also I use knights armor so my toughness isn’t super low. I’m not a tank but I’m not glass either. Tho I do have 81% crit dmg with 50% crit chance.

I know we have the same amount of fears but hers last like 2-3 sec. I guess that’s dude to master of terror and I guess condi duration runes and food.

Idk maybe ill try condi necro but I hate using builds everyone else uses. Seems like most necro these days are condi and its quite annoying lol.

I don’t have that much problem vs a cond necro 1-1 as a power necro.
Just use your lf to soak up the conditions as well. I use Life Blast with DS#4 to burst.
If you run axe and take the 20% axe dmg increase it also works on your ds skills (axe#2 is also a good burst.).
You can also blind them (I have off hand dagger with my axe) when they go into ds, so you can make their fear miss.

One of, or maybe the best necro I know uses a power build in WvW.
Power necros are in no way inferior to condi builds in 1v1s.
It’s all about timing your interrupts and cleanses, so I’m inclined to assume that she was just a more experienced player.

Also this

5 guys went for her and she killed us in a few sec.

sounds kinda hard to believe, even more so because she wasted a utility slot on Signet of the Locust. That alone should have given you the edge.

As to the “how did she have so much lf?” and “what could have been..”, that is kind of hard to answer without witnessing the fight first hand.

i think she was using the 1% LF on crits

Aevis.4632:

1v1 is all I do in wvw mostly. Unless the groups need help. I mostly win all my 1v1 so I don’t know what you mean power necro is supposed to die 1v1.

VS. conditionmancers…

That was pretty obvious.

If she had Master of Terror, she definitely had Last Gasp, which is a very strong method of rapidly refilling your life force. However, for conditionmancers, that’s generally it.

Here’s what you know: her trait choices have virtually no defense (only the aforementioned Last Gasp). Two of her utility slots don’t do much in a 1v1 (Signet of the Locust and Epidemic which is useless in a duel). She at most has one stunbreak, but she either has that or boon stripping: she doesn’t get both. Chances are, she forgot a stunbreak entirely and went with Spectral Wall (another good way to quickly recoup life force against groups and key to serious chain-fearing) You should know this one better than I.

Plague Signet is the best stunbreak you can ask for against a condition necro, especially if you can bait their Consume Conditions before that (Power necros should be able to) Smart necros that see that icon on you will be wary about their rotations, which is exactly what you want.

Spectral Grasp helps keep their fears off of you for longer, but is more effectively used to interrupt Life Transfer.

Finally, Well of Power. A second stunbreak is handy and, once again, it takes care of your condition problems. The one you were facing I highly doubt was packing any boon stripping, so this is all gain for you.

That said, take my advice with a grain of salt. I only play condition builds on my necro right now, so how well a power necro can work out is not something I am familiar with.

Thanks dranor. Ill try out plague signet. I have actually never used it before

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Tommyknocker.6089:

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cyst.3108:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Superior sigil of generosity; might be the reason they are 18 gold atm.

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Aevis.4632:

1v1 is all I do in wvw mostly. Unless the groups need help. I mostly win all my 1v1 so I don’t know what you mean power necro is supposed to die 1v1.

Idk I guess I can go back to using d/d, staff. Also I use knights armor so my toughness isn’t super low. I’m not a tank but I’m not glass either. Tho I do have 81% crit dmg with 50% crit chance.

I know we have the same amount of fears but hers last like 2-3 sec. I guess that’s dude to master of terror and I guess condi duration runes and food.

Idk maybe ill try condi necro but I hate using builds everyone else uses. Seems like most necro these days are condi and its quite annoying lol.

post your build and gear so we know what you are working with, traits, weps and utils.

I go back and forth between a power build and condi build often so I can probably offer some tips that might help.

lately I have been using rare pizza on my power build too so my non damaging condis last long enough to take the pressure off a bit more and I have gotten used to the longer fears now from my condi build.

also did he 1v5 you guys or did he have help?

I find lately ALL fears get blamed on necros when many are coming from thieves who have alot more necros to steal from and warriors as well carrying fear me.

Honestly, just go with dagger off hand. It’s why condition necromancers and engineers are no problem.

Dredlord.8076:

Aevis.4632:

1v1 is all I do in wvw mostly. Unless the groups need help. I mostly win all my 1v1 so I don’t know what you mean power necro is supposed to die 1v1.

Idk I guess I can go back to using d/d, staff. Also I use knights armor so my toughness isn’t super low. I’m not a tank but I’m not glass either. Tho I do have 81% crit dmg with 50% crit chance.

I know we have the same amount of fears but hers last like 2-3 sec. I guess that’s dude to master of terror and I guess condi duration runes and food.

Idk maybe ill try condi necro but I hate using builds everyone else uses. Seems like most necro these days are condi and its quite annoying lol.

post your build and gear so we know what you are working with, traits, weps and utils.

I go back and forth between a power build and condi build often so I can probably offer some tips that might help.

lately I have been using rare pizza on my power build too so my non damaging condis last long enough to take the pressure off a bit more and I have gotten used to the longer fears now from my condi build.

also did he 1v5 you guys or did he have help?

I find lately ALL fears get blamed on necros when many are coming from thieves who have alot more necros to steal from and warriors as well carrying fear me.

I use knights armor with ruby orbs. Zerker weapons. I have 3 ascended zerker trinkets and 2 exotic knights accessories but am aiming for ascended knights.

My traits are 30/10/0/0/30. The utilities I use are spectral armor, signet of the locust, and well of suffering. Consume conditions for heal.

When she killed 5 of us it was 1 after the other. Sometimes 2 v her. In total it was 5 but there wasn’t a big gap between the arrival of the next person.

What weapons are you using? I pretty much always use staff as my off-weapon. Putrid Mark is just amazing to get rid of condis.

I’d throw in some vitality on your gear to get some buffer, but that’s just me.

Yeah I would comment that really as a power necro now, with the beefyness and life force generation that you will have at a higher rate than the condition necro it is a very winnable fight. If:

1. You have two or more condition transfers, and use them when you have too many conditions on you (burn + 5-7 bleeds or more)
2. You stop attacking when their spectral armor procs.

The fight is really no different than a condi necro on condi necro. You really have nothing to fear if he transfers your conditions back, because you are power and do short duration conditions, however if you flip his back onto him, it can ruin his day.

Your white damage far outstrips his white damage. And if you are using -40% food, it should be very winnable. Dagger offhand, mark 4, plague signet, CC.

Before the buffs to DS, this fight was much different, because you couldn’t survive long enough in DS to do much, but now it is quite a bit more even, and the condi necro does much less damage while he soaks in DS.

Noss.4105:

What weapons are you using? I pretty much always use staff as my off-weapon. Putrid Mark is just amazing to get rid of condis.

I’d throw in some vitality on your gear to get some buffer, but that’s just me.

I was using d/f and staff at the time. I used to use d/d staff.

Monoman.2068:

Honestly, just go with dagger off hand. It’s why condition necromancers and engineers are no problem.

You use 4 dagger, and condimancer use it back to you with more conditions Or just heal with consume them

Aevis.4632:

Dredlord.8076:

Aevis.4632:

1v1 is all I do in wvw mostly. Unless the groups need help. I mostly win all my 1v1 so I don’t know what you mean power necro is supposed to die 1v1.

Idk I guess I can go back to using d/d, staff. Also I use knights armor so my toughness isn’t super low. I’m not a tank but I’m not glass either. Tho I do have 81% crit dmg with 50% crit chance.

I know we have the same amount of fears but hers last like 2-3 sec. I guess that’s dude to master of terror and I guess condi duration runes and food.

Idk maybe ill try condi necro but I hate using builds everyone else uses. Seems like most necro these days are condi and its quite annoying lol.

post your build and gear so we know what you are working with, traits, weps and utils.

I go back and forth between a power build and condi build often so I can probably offer some tips that might help.

lately I have been using rare pizza on my power build too so my non damaging condis last long enough to take the pressure off a bit more and I have gotten used to the longer fears now from my condi build.

also did he 1v5 you guys or did he have help?

I find lately ALL fears get blamed on necros when many are coming from thieves who have alot more necros to steal from and warriors as well carrying fear me.

I use knights armor with ruby orbs. Zerker weapons. I have 3 ascended zerker trinkets and 2 exotic knights accessories but am aiming for ascended knights.

My traits are 30/10/0/0/30. The utilities I use are spectral armor, signet of the locust, and well of suffering. Consume conditions for heal.

When she killed 5 of us it was 1 after the other. Sometimes 2 v her. In total it was 5 but there wasn’t a big gap between the arrival of the next person.

several things to help

I am guessing you are using the 50% crit but using the stability will give you an easier time. it will protect your life transfer and he could waste a fear if hes not watching your buffs for stability. you can also enter DS if he starts a fear chain and his second fear wont carry on after the first wears out.

I find warhorn is a better match against condi necro. the daze is great for keeping them in a well bomb, 2-3 seconds they cant clear the root while you shred with dags, also great for interrupting heals,life siphon long casts etc.

In small fights swap out focused rituals if you are using that. You can set up well bombs much faster if you dont have to stop mouse looking to ground target and you should be right on top of him anyways with swarm going. swap focused rituals back in when you are at keeps or when you catch up with the zerg.

with warhorn switch locust for spec walk (extra stun break) and near full swiftness uptime between the 2 and more LF generation.

Save staff 4 for when he has you loaded up hard with condis try to save stakitten for right after so he cant just send them strait back at you then dps.

You should be hitting 5 k lifeblasts consistently on him, opening with this can put him on the defensive right away and make it a much easier fight or at least bait some dodges after the first 2-3 hit/crit. then you can set up a nice well bomb, LB,LB,LB,path>doom>root>wells>daze>shred.

oh and try to keep track of his ds cooldown.