Guild Wars 2

So I wish to try a sort of Hybrid build with Scepter/Dagger & Dagger/Focus in WvW roaming (mostly 1v1). I’m thinking about wearing a mix of Knights + Rabid gear and weapons, do you think this will work?

If you want a condition necro go full rabid, condition damage DOES NOT scale in a linear way as most people think, it scale with precision due barbed precision and sigil of earth,

Power and condition damage should not be mixed, but that’s my opinion,

Aside from that i love to roam with my necro, but it’s not safe at all,

And weapon setup for a condition necro is Staff // Scepter – Dagger,

Engels.8537:

If you want a condition necro go full rabid, condition damage DOES NOT scale in a linear way as most people think, it scale with precision due barbed precision and sigil of earth,

0.05 * Condition Damage + 0.5 * Level + 2.5 per stack per second
How much more linear can it get??
You are mistaking inflicting bleeds for condition damage.

Engels.8537:

Power and condition damage should not be mixed, but that’s my opinion,

lol wot? In my opinion, your opinion is wrong :P
Also, one of the most popular builds – and as nemesis in his tutorials clearly shows, the one with the highest dps – is the hybrid… power + cond dmg, by definition…

Engels.8537:

Aside from that i love to roam with my necro, but it’s not safe at all,

You are doing it wrong.

Engels.8537:

And weapon setup for a condition necro is Staff // Scepter – Dagger,

Rok didn’t ask for a conditions build, he asked for a hybrid with Scepter/Dagger & Dagger/Focus.
One thing I agree with Engels though: I urge you to consider a staff… because especially in 1v1 situations it takes the crown.

I beg your pardon sir, but how much time have you spent on Spvp?

Oh boy…

Necros excel at manipulating conditions, unfortunately we apply conditions too slow, that’s the reason we need precision to apply more bleeding, that’s why more precision = more condition damage,

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Concerning about power and condition damage, that’s my opinion, i really doubt you have invested half of the time i did on Spvp, but i won’t discuss about this, I tried it and it was ineffective, maybe it works for somebody else,

Roaming alone with a necro is safe?

What i’m doing wrong, sir? (besides wasting time answering you",

My best advice to you is to read more and write less, at least be more humble and kind,

Copying a build from a great player as nemesis does not allow you to rant about other players, plus there’s no best build, the best one is the more suitable to your own playstyle,

I’m talking from my own experiencie, it worked absolutly great, rabid on my necro was the best setup that I tried, i’m not saying that is the best, but is not bad either,

Regards,

I think Engels is talking about diminishing returns when it comes to maxing out condition damage scaling. At level 80 go from 0-1000 CD and you double your damage per tick from ~50 to ~100. If you then double your CD ie go from 1000-2000 you only add a further 50% damage per tick, this is because of the base 0.5*level part of the equation.

Whether or not that tradeoff is worth it I couldn’t say though – I don’t have the inclination to run the maths. Personally I do well enough with something of a hybrid setup but do lean towards conditions and use staff/scepter/dagger. I can get my condition damage up to 2k with food and stacks on sigil of corruption but still have ~1500 power.

Engels.8537:

I beg your pardon sir, but how much time have you spent on Spvp?

Oh boy…

Necros excel at manipulating conditions, unfortunately we apply conditions too slow, that’s the reason we need precision to apply more bleeding, that’s why more precision = more condition damage,

Concerning about power and condition damage, that’s my opinion, i really doubt you have invested half of the time i did on Spvp, but i won’t discuss about this, I tried it and it was ineffective, maybe it works for somebody else,

Roaming alone with a necro is safe?

What i’m doing wrong, sir? (besides wasting time answering you",

My best advice to you is to read more and write less, at least be more humble and kind,

Ok, first of all sorry, I didn’t mean to offend.
I have certainly spent enough time in pvp and wvw to know that being safe is not a matter of which class you pick.
Building up bleed stacks through critical hits is just part of the build you are using. Other builds might not rely on precision at all and still be equally viable.

As to the roming-alone: If a zerg stampedes over you it doesn’t matter wich class you are. But in 1 vs 1-3 encounters… the necro is as good as any other class.

Engels.8537:

Copying a build from a great player as nemesis does not allow you to rant about other players, plus there’s no best build, the best one is the more suitable to your own playstyle,

I’m talking from my own experiencie, it worked absolutly great, rabid on my necro was the best setup that I tried, i’m not saying that is the best, but is not bad either,

Regards,

Not ranting on anyone.
Also, I didn’t copy anyones build. Nemesis’ build is not the one I’m running with. I just pointed out his build to show that power+cond dmg are a viable combo. To be fair, nemesis is also targeting the 50% crit chance with precision, so maybe that wasn’t the best example…

For Knight/Rabid, it truly depends how much you need that toughness stat.

I currently run Rabid armor, Rampager trinkets and weapons, but I use Scepter/dagger- Axe/focus.

It’s one of the best dps setup I’ve done for taking out camps/dolyaks solo, things melt and you got the burst on demand with the axe, DS also hits for a lot more and it feels more useful than just a buffer.

If you feel too squishy, then Knight coud replace rampager, but you would lose out a lot of condition damage.

You can mix/match different gears easily on that site : http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/ and see for yourself what stats you could achieve with that setup.

Engels is right. The problem with knights and rabid is there is no real synergy. The lack of power from rabid gear and the lack of crit damage overall will make it so your conditions and raw damage will both be lackluster. If you wan’t to make an effective hybrid your going to have to go rampagers and invest some in soul reaping for crit damage. The problem is you will be a glass cannon.

Where’s nemesis when you need him lol, this is entertaining

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.5|b.1c.h1b.8.1h.h9|6.1g.h1b|1g.7j.1h.7j.1h.7j.1h.7j.1h.7j.1p.71j|4s.0.2s.0.31n.0.2s.0.2x.0.2s.0|u67c.u27b.0.0.a6|0.0|3r.4d.3u.45.0|e
I’m going for this one. For scepter/dagger – dagger/focus just put out the staff and put in your favourite berserker weapons. Also switch the 20 spite active trait to the 20% cooldown+range focus thingy. Should perfectly work out.

By the way, that spec’s shown as just awesome. It’s pure DPS with the possibility to use conditions OR staff/deathshroud/lich form whenever you like. It’s great both in WvW and PvE.

flow.6043:

But in 1 vs 1-3 encounters… the necro is as good as any other class.

not even close on 1v3, it is infinitely easier to 1v3 on ele, mesmer and thief.

1v1 the necro can hang with any class but it gets far more difficult to win compared to those classes when the number of opponents goes up.

Dredlord.8076:

flow.6043:

But in 1 vs 1-3 encounters… the necro is as good as any other class.

not even close on 1v3, it is infinitely easier to 1v3 on ele, mesmer and thief.

1v1 the necro can hang with any class but it gets far more difficult to win compared to those classes when the number of opponents goes up.

By “1-3” I was referring to your average wvw players, who aren’t always maxed gear-wise.
But yeah, I totally know what you mean. Allthough, it’s not necessarily the difficulty to win per se, as in overpowering multiple enemies, much rather the lack of stealthing or lightning-zap away to restart a fight. A survivability issue, if you will. Those crazy videos by daphoenix (ele) where he fights a million invaders for 10 minutes without dying… definitely impossible as a necromancer. As a necro you are in it to win it, no backing out once the gloves are off…