Guild Wars 2

I realized that I have developed I really deep hatred towards mesmers and people who play mesmer.

Robert Gee, same guy was supposedly a big part in developing both mesmer and necro changes in this patch. He gave a big kitten you to necro players while mesmers get to enjoy life.

I can’t stand watching others happily enjoy their game while I’m left dealing with same kitten for 3 years.

not buying HoT.

Hear hear! Death to all mesmers!

I think he did a great job with Necro, tho Mesmers are OP atm and imho the strongest class after Warriors still think his work on Reaper and Necro as a whole is very good…. also kinda like Robert cause he actually seem passionate about our Class.

Welcome to my life. I’ve felt this way for a very long time now, lol. I don’t attack uplevels in WvW/EOTM unless they attack me first.

… If it’s a Mesmer though, KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS.

I’m sorry you feel that being OP is “enjoying life”.

Ravezaar.4951:

I think he did a great job with Necro, tho Mesmers are OP atm and imho the strongest class after Warriors still think his work on Reaper and Necro as a whole is very good…. also kinda like Robert cause he actually seem passionate about our Class.

Good work with Necro and Reaper?

Well first of all there are still a lot of problems in Necro’s traits, and over Blood, nothing really changed. (Over the fact our best lines -Curses and Spite- have become full of useless and out of place traits, you can’t take anymore freely Path of Corruption because it is overshadowed by Terror and other traits along this line are useless for power builds).

Also the Reaper, giving Guardian’s Greatsword to Necros, making the reaper extremely slow, dodgable and kitable. More weaknesses to a class that has really too many issues on its own.

That’s a Good Work? Ok…..

Curses and sput are probably the two best lines after the update so no clue what your talking about.

If your having trouble with mesmers try out the build I posted a while ago… it’s not going to help much if in a 2v1 agaisnt a mesmer and whatever but one on one and group fights you can kill the mesmer.

But I agree they just have too many stuns and dazes and interupts right now combined with there great damage.

NeXeD.3042:

Curses and sput are probably the two best lines after the update so no clue what your talking about.

Mhh i think soul reaping is still better, though i admit all our traitlines become more useful it is is kinda hard to decide, which one to use. Well apart from soul reaping… it is still a nonbrainer to take atleast for me.

By enjoying life I mean having the tools to succeed in any game mode they feel like playing.

I feel I have to swap to an alt in more than half the content I like to do. I can do casual dungeons with necro but then I have to accept all kinds of weak builds from everyone else too and it becomes frustrating.

If I want to play WvW with necro I have to move in a group. I hate zerging content above all: In other words I cannot play necro in WvW either. My necro can manage silver wastes chest farm and even there its sub par to all the mobility classes.

PvP I’m dirt tier and first target because I just die to CC chains.

My necro is just looking pretty in kitten laaaa (LA).

CratZ.6270:

I realized that I have developed I really deep hatred towards mesmers and people who play mesmer.

Robert Gee, same guy was supposedly a big part in developing both mesmer and necro changes in this patch. He gave a big kitten you to necro players while mesmers get to enjoy life.

I can’t stand watching others happily enjoy their game while I’m left dealing with same kitten for 3 years.

not buying HoT.

Necro was in a worse spot then Mesmers to begin with, everybody knows Necros required changes are much bigger then the mesmers so during a Pre-patch they end up like this, but Necros arnt going to become ultra strong over night from trait changes.

this is a Pre-Expansion Patch, its designed to be balanced WITH the expansions content, therefore right now the balancing is whack, so saying “im not playing hot” wont fix your problems, ur being balanced with the idea of reaper in your build not without it, Necromancer isnt even that bad..

I’ve been playing mine alot in pvp and it seems pretty solid as a whole, might not be the game ending Mesmer currently but we’re not being nerfed every patch either.

Luke.4562:

Ravezaar.4951:

I think he did a great job with Necro, tho Mesmers are OP atm and imho the strongest class after Warriors still think his work on Reaper and Necro as a whole is very good…. also kinda like Robert cause he actually seem passionate about our Class.

Good work with Necro and Reaper?

Well first of all there are still a lot of problems in Necro’s traits, and over Blood, nothing really changed. (Over the fact our best lines -Curses and Spite- have become full of useless and out of place traits, you can’t take anymore freely Path of Corruption because it is overshadowed by Terror and other traits along this line are useless for power builds).

Also the Reaper, giving Guardian’s Greatsword to Necros, making the reaper extremely slow, dodgable and kitable. More weaknesses to a class that has really too many issues on its own.

That’s a Good Work? Ok…..

The Reaper class isnt “kitable” anyone can see theres ALOT of combos to keep players next to you, Double Dagger = 2 Immobilizes GS = Pulls + Chill every 3rd strike, im sorry but Death is Ment to be slow, its a Slow creature which kittens you up the moment ur in his grasp, so actually its a great concept and it isnt going to be as bad as u seem to beleive.

Its Shrouds ALOT faster anyway so u can catch people there. u cant predict what will and wont work before its even here…

That is a VERY weak argument, So I HAVE to PAY 50€/$ to be on same level as others are now?

Muchacho.2390:

NeXeD.3042:

Curses and sput are probably the two best lines after the update so no clue what your talking about.

Mhh i think soul reaping is still better, though i admit all our traitlines become more useful it is is kinda hard to decide, which one to use. Well apart from soul reaping… it is still a nonbrainer to take atleast for me.

Exactly.

Also @Nexed:
Spiteful Renewal: condition removal gated by %life? Useless.
Bitter Chill? Reaper stuff, useless in other builds.
Unholy Fervoer: Useless.
Spiteful Spirit: I won’t be vulgar.

Terrifying Descent…
Plague Sending is gated by Crit chance, so no use in noncrit builds.
Chilling Darkness: PVP Reaper Stuff. No meta.
Master of Corruption: I won’t be vulgar.
Path of Corruption: totally overshadowed by Terror.
Parasitic Contagion: Just interesting with Terror (first gate), doesn’t heal under DS (bug or work as intended?), useless.
Lingering Curse: Awesome for Scepter damage, a pity it’s Overshadowed by Weakening Shroud.

11/18 traits with issues.

Its Shrouds ALOT faster anyway so u can catch people there. u cant predict what will and wont work before its even here…

Main counter to Reaper is avoiding the conditions by outranging the Reaper since Reaper lacks mobility and ranged options. Reapers are also fairly vulnerable to interrupts due to slower attack skills.

Consider also that getting Reaper your Shroud becomes MELEE. So you lose RANGE.
These are the weakness they designed reaper with, it’s in the Stream.
Now, ofc I won’t argue with 100% seriousness about something which I can’t test, but if you manage to develope a concept with these flaws in its basement…
If you consider Necros lack mobility, chase tools, prolonged stability to avoid interruption..
Easy Maths.

Worth pointing out, while we’re getting the Reaper, Mesmers get upgrade to Chronomancer, which will further empower interrupt builds. We haven’t faced a lot of Slow for now, but we will. Some will surely drop either Chaos or Duelling and get the upgrade specialization.

To be honest, against very good interrupt Mesmer, Necromancer is now like Mesmer was pre-patch against Thief.
But we’re able to fight vast majority and win. Matter of who spots the other first or some lucky play.

Luke.4562:

Muchacho.2390:

NeXeD.3042:

Curses and sput are probably the two best lines after the update so no clue what your talking about.

Mhh i think soul reaping is still better, though i admit all our traitlines become more useful it is is kinda hard to decide, which one to use. Well apart from soul reaping… it is still a nonbrainer to take atleast for me.

Exactly.

Also @Nexed:
Spiteful Renewal: condition removal gated by %life? Useless.
Bitter Chill? Reaper stuff, useless in other builds.
Unholy Fervoer: Useless.
Spiteful Spirit: I won’t be vulgar.

Terrifying Descent…
Plague Sending is gated by Crit chance, so no use in noncrit builds.
Chilling Darkness: PVP Reaper Stuff. No meta.
Master of Corruption: I won’t be vulgar.
Path of Corruption: totally overshadowed by Terror.
Parasitic Contagion: Just interesting with Terror (first gate), doesn’t heal under DS (bug or work as intended?), useless.
Lingering Curse: Awesome for Scepter damage, a pity it’s Overshadowed by Weakening Shroud.

11/18 traits with issues.

Its Shrouds ALOT faster anyway so u can catch people there. u cant predict what will and wont work before its even here…

Main counter to Reaper is avoiding the conditions by outranging the Reaper since Reaper lacks mobility and ranged options. Reapers are also fairly vulnerable to interrupts due to slower attack skills.

These are the weakness they designed reaper with, it’s in the Stream.
Now, ofc I won’t argue with 100% seriousness about something which I can’t test, but if you manage to develope a concept with these flaws in its basement…

spiteful renewal is quite good if you know how to pressure. Bitter chill is going to be good on reaper builds. I’ll give you unholy fervor and spiteful but those suck because axe sucks.

Plague sending, you will crit enough to use this even on non crit chance builds just by taking the curses line. PoC is useful on power and condi builds as is terror with the might stacking we can do now. master of corruption is decent enough but I think corruptions got screwed.

Parasitic contagion always sucked, Lingering Curse and weakening shroud, sounds like you have one option that works for both power and condi and one that just works for condi….

Traitlines don’t give basic stats anymore. Plague Sending is bound to crit chance builds only.
No powerbuild goes down Curses to get Path of Corruption.
The only traits in Curses that affect Powerbuilds are Minors…
Is that a good work?

Oh sorry my bad I was thinking curses gave fury and crit chance with condi application, I also for some reason thought runes had precision on them, I also for some reason thought the made a sigil that made your next 3 attacks crit on weapon swap…. guess I was wrong.

No you don’t go down curses just for poc…. you do it for some pretty good minors, plague sending, and weakening shroud.

You fail to realize they’re all Gates to a single effect.
Also, what will you get from Beyond the Veil? 10-12% crit chance?
Do you mean to go into Shroud to get that 20% crit chance to land Plague Sending in between 5 seconds?
You are saying that Powerbuilds will rather go into curses for maybe 30% crit chances in 5 seconds instead than going for 50% assured in Soul Reaping line?

Are you joking?

Depends on what kind of power build. No I’m not joking if you’d like to test out what my build is capable of I’d be more than happy to show you. Also why can’t you do spite,curses, and soul reaping?

10% crit chance from pack runes, 10% from curses trait, 20% from fury…. and then if any of your teammates have a way to buff yur precision…. so that’s 40….. on a build that didn’t trait for just takong curses. And the trait we are talking about has a 24 second kittening cooldown. If you don’t think you can get enough crits to proc that every 24 seconds your out of your mind.

I don’t give a kitten if they gate kitten around opponents hp, my hp, and crit chance because guess what I make it work.

Have you even tried curses since the update? Since the update one of the best offenses a necro has is transferring crazy condi damage…. so I decided to make a build that can take a bunch of damage while transferring away condis….. meanwhile actually doing mediocre power damage and being tanky and corrupting the kitten out of anyone I come across at the same time building might stacks like crazy.

Also I’m speaking from a pvp perspective Only.

What class is good against interrupts? If you can’t use your skills why does it matter what class you are? A high-end interrupt mes or guard has had me stun locked, not sure it was my playing that did that.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

What class is good against interrupts? If you can’t use your skills why does it matter what class you are? A high-end interrupt mes or guard has had me stun locked, not sure it was my playing that did that.

classes with high stab uptime. You can also try fitg but good mesmers will time there interrupt and shatters well enough that even a stunbreak isn’t going to help you avoid that shatter damage.

Luke.4562:

Traitlines don’t give basic stats anymore. Plague Sending is bound to crit chance builds only.

No the critchance from fury in DS and the additional critchance per condition on your enemy should be enough to let it proc often enough.

If you haven’t figured out the beauty of a build that is the soldieRS condi transfer build you should try it out before telling someone who has been playing with it since the patch that it “won’t work”

it will even work with marauders if you really want do to some damage.

NeXeD.3042:

If you haven’t figured out the beauty of a build that is the soldieRS condi transfer build you should try it out before telling someone who has been playing with it since the patch that it “won’t work”

it will even work with marauders if you really want do to some damage.

Do you want me to lend another Mirror to climb on?

Do we want to go comb through everything that doesn’t fit in the discussion to declare most of the Spite-Curse traits are bad designed and useless?

I just see arrogance and absence of objectivity.

Luke.4562:

You fail to realize they’re all Gates to a single effect.
Also, what will you get from Beyond the Veil? 10-12% crit chance?
Do you mean to go into Shroud to get that 20% crit chance to land Plague Sending in between 5 seconds?
You are saying that Powerbuilds will rather go into curses for maybe 30% crit chances in 5 seconds instead than going for 50% assured in Soul Reaping line?

Are you joking?

- plays power build with no soul reaping and does fine -
Soul reaping is over rated.

Also @Nexed:
Spiteful Renewal: condition removal gated by %life? Useless.
Bitter Chill? Reaper stuff, useless in other builds.
Unholy Fervoer: Useless. only cause axe is bad
Spiteful Spirit: I won’t be vulgar. only cause axe is bad
Terrifying Descent… is like all fall damage traits but may have use in new wvw map
Plague Sending is gated by Crit chance, so no use in noncrit builds.
Chilling Darkness: PVP Reaper Stuff. No meta.
Master of Corruption: I won’t be vulgar.
Path of Corruption: totally overshadowed by Terror.
Parasitic Contagion: Just interesting with Terror (first gate), doesn’t heal under DS (bug or work as intended?), useless. needs to work in shroud to be fine.
Lingering Curse: Awesome for Scepter damage, a pity it’s Overshadowed by Weakening Shroud.

Luke.4562:

NeXeD.3042:

If you haven’t figured out the beauty of a build that is the soldieRS condi transfer build you should try it out before telling someone who has been playing with it since the patch that it “won’t work”

it will even work with marauders if you really want do to some damage.

Do you want me to lend another Mirror to climb on?

Do we want to go comb through everything that doesn’t fit in the discussion to declare most of the Spite-Curse traits are bad designed and useless?

I just see arrogance and absence of objectivity.

The only one being arrogant is you. I’ve given plenty of evidence to support my claims and you just keep dismissing it, I’ve ever offered to show you and you respond with this drivel….

if I had to rate the current lines

Spite
curses
soul reaping
Blood magic
Death magic

Of course I’m lacking objectivity I’m not one of those people who likes to think that’s even possible, I’m speaking from my experiences and from my perspective playing my build…..

I actually roll a Spite/Curses/Soul Reaping build. I really, really like it.