Is Rampagers viable for open world/wvw?

Is Rampagers viable for open world/wvw?

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Posted by: bLind.6278

bLind.6278

Hey everyone, I just hit 80 on my new necro and got myself a full zerker exotic set for HoT content/elite grind. I know berserker gear is viable and ideal for dungeons and whatnot, but as a condition lover, and a massive fan of the current chill-reaper sPvP meta build that runs carrion, I’m wondering if a Carrion or Rampager (or rabid, hell) build is viable for open world, exploration, and wvw play.

I love the versatility of the sPvP build and want to have similar effectiveness elsewhere while still being able to play any game mode.

Long story kept short: is Carrion gonna hamstring me in terms of damage when playing pve content, or should I choose a different armor set-up?

One foot out the door, yet again.

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Posted by: Squeezzy.4718

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As a reaper you can get really solid damage out of hybrid gear like carrion (power+vitality+condi). Vitality directly increases your life force hence giving you more time in reaper shroud which in turn means more damage. Decimate Defenses takes care of your crit chance so you don’t have to get it with your gear.

Look up GW2Ascii on twitch or youtube he runs a hybrid Reaper in wvw and also uses the same gear for fractals. He’s also really good so it might help you master the class a bit better.

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Posted by: flow.6043

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Vitality directly increases your life force hence giving you more time in reaper shroud

Only if you take damage. It makes no difference with natural degeneration.

Long story kept short: is Carrion gonna hamstring me in terms of damage when playing pve content, or should I choose a different armor set-up?

There’s no point in taking any kind of defensive stat for PvE. The only reason to consider carrion over other stats would be if you spend most of your time in WvW and don’t want the hassle of changing gear in PvE.
That being said, rampager vs sinister vs viper is the real choice you have to make, which means you should mix those stats according to how high you want your crit chance and condition duration to be.

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Posted by: Squeezzy.4718

Squeezzy.4718

Vitality directly increases your life force hence giving you more time in reaper shroud

Only if you take damage. It makes no difference with natural degeneration.

Long story kept short: is Carrion gonna hamstring me in terms of damage when playing pve content, or should I choose a different armor set-up?

There’s no point in taking any kind of defensive stat for PvE. The only reason to consider carrion over other stats would be if you spend most of your time in WvW and don’t want the hassle of changing gear in PvE.
That being said, rampager vs sinister vs viper is the real choice you have to make, which means you should mix those stats according to how high you want your crit chance and condition duration to be.

Actually the more vitality you have the more shroud pool you have. Read the wiki, here is a link for you. Second small paragraph.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Life_force

While you are at it also read the title of the post “open world/wvw”. I assume that like most of us OP doesn’t have the gold to spend on a set for PvE and one for WvW or at least he doesn’t want to go through the trouble of switching between them.

That’t the reason why I gave him the suggestion of going for Carrion which would increase his health pool and his shroud pool, allowing him to stay in shroud longer (even longer if he traits it for slower degeneration) thus answering his question.

I know that viper and sinister would be a better choice for pve only, but you die as soon as a moa looks at you in WvW and that’t the reason i didnt mention it on my answer.

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Posted by: flow.6043

flow.6043

Natural degeneration is percentage based. You can have 1 million vitality and you’d still only last up to 25 seconds (or 50 sec with Vital Persistence), not counting in-Shroud lf regen like Life Transfer, Life Reap and some of our traits. So like I said, vitality only improves your Shroud uptime when you’re taking damage.

I know that viper and sinister would be a better choice for pve only, but you die as soon as a moa looks at you in WvW and that’t the reason i didnt mention it on my answer.

Necros aren’t that squishy in WvW with full glass stats.
Personally, I play PvP with a rampager amulet, and I have several sets of gear that I switch between for WvW and PvE. However, if I were to stick with just one set for everything I’d definitely go with the glassier version.

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Posted by: Squeezzy.4718

Squeezzy.4718

Natural degeneration is percentage based. You can have 1 million vitality and you’d still only last up to 25 seconds (or 50 sec with Vital Persistence), not counting in-Shroud lf regen like Life Transfer, Life Reap and some of our traits. So like I said, vitality only improves your Shroud uptime when you’re taking damage.

I know that viper and sinister would be a better choice for pve only, but you die as soon as a moa looks at you in WvW and that’t the reason i didnt mention it on my answer.

Necros aren’t that squishy in WvW with full glass stats.
Personally, I play PvP with a rampager amulet, and I have several sets of gear that I switch between for WvW and PvE. However, if I were to stick with just one set for everything I’d definitely go with the glassier version.

You kinda lost track of the thread topic in your attempt to correct someone who is just trying to help. The question OP asked was “is it viable?” to which the answer is yes it is very viable and used. Also as i mentioned not everyone has “several sets” to switch around which is probably the reason why he made the post in the first place.

Also condi necros are ROAMERS ONLY in wvw since everyone knows condis are crap in ZvZ and GvG because of all the condi clear. Necros are not that squishy in WvW with full glass zerker gear when they get to sit on the backlines and wellbomb enemies and spam marks. In full glass condi gear you will get 2 shotted by every thief you meet and kited while you get 2 shotted by every chrono you meet while roaming.

If he considers himself good enough to go full glass then he should, that still isn’t the topic of the thread. Carrion is good enough for PvE as well as WvW, it isn’t in most other classes because of the lost of precision, but since necros get traited precision anyways you don’t lose much while gaining HP by going that route.

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Posted by: Amethyst Lure.5624

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If only i could magically spawn a full Viper set, I’m really interested in that down the line.

As a side note, perhaps they should experiment more with the necro type of crit (or other stats) talents for other classes. It seems to make more armour types viable, if you can trait for one stat.

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Posted by: flow.6043

flow.6043

You kinda lost track of the thread topic in your attempt to correct someone who is just trying to help.

How did I lose track?
All I did initially was correct your false statement in a single sentence. It was a single sentence because our percentage based life force regen/degen and scaling with vitality shouldn’t need any further explanation. Yet you felt the need write a huge reply and lecture me like I’m some newby to the class.

Also as i mentioned not everyone has “several sets” to switch around which is probably the reason why he made the post in the first place.

If you had paid closer attention to my first post, you’d have noticed that I actually pointed out that a carrion set for both modes is only advisable if you mostly play WvW and don’t want to bother with gear switching in PvE.

Also, see bLind’s signature? It says Ex-Warrior, which can only mean that he isn’t entirely new to the game. And since his necro obviously isn’t his first character it’s safe to assume that he has enough gold stashed away, even more so when you consider that he already has a full zerker set for “HoT content/elite grind”.
Now first of all, a full set of exotics gear isn’t that expensive, especially if you’re getting carrion or rampager. Secondly, if you want to switch between WvW and PvE you don’t have to get a full set for each mode. You could get a full set of glass gear for PvE and then just replace a part of it for WvW. For example: carrion armor, rest rampager.

In full glass condi gear you will get 2 shotted by every thief you meet and kited while you get 2 shotted by every chrono you meet while roaming.

l2p.

If he considers himself good enough to go full glass then he should, that still isn’t the topic of the thread.

Are you listening to yourself?
He is asking for gear advice. You are saying he can pick glass gear if he is good enough. And that isn’t topic of the thread… how?

Also, why would you assume that he isn’t good enough to pull off rampager in WvW in the first place? And skill aside, do you know the exact build he’s going to play? Perhaps his trait and rune choices allow for glassier choices for the rest of his build?
Anyway, considering the very little amount of information we got in the original post, you make way too many assumptions on what is or isn’t on topic advice.

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Posted by: Sandrox.9524

Sandrox.9524

lol guys I like that you try to assume what he is, have or how skilled he is. This argue is pointless to a post which the answer is simple as yes or no.

OP: Going either is viable, though Rampager is more of a glass and you should consider that you will have potenically more trouble running that.

Imo, run full somthing(for wvw) isnt good chocie. I mix stats like beserker+valk+solider

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Posted by: Khristophoros.7194

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Vitality directly increases your life force hence giving you more time in reaper shroud

Only if you take damage. It makes no difference with natural degeneration.

Long story kept short: is Carrion gonna hamstring me in terms of damage when playing pve content, or should I choose a different armor set-up?

There’s no point in taking any kind of defensive stat for PvE. The only reason to consider carrion over other stats would be if you spend most of your time in WvW and don’t want the hassle of changing gear in PvE.
That being said, rampager vs sinister vs viper is the real choice you have to make, which means you should mix those stats according to how high you want your crit chance and condition duration to be.

Defensive stats make the game easier especially solo. Open world is not about max DPS anyway. It’s about a balance of survivability and damage output because you’ll spend a lot of time solo or you’ll be with a zerg and the only thing that matters is tagging stuff.

Anyway, rampager’s isn’t as strong as sinister or viper’s because there are so many ways to get boosted crit chance from traits.

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Posted by: Karode.9206

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Rampager is the easiest to get though. Not that it matters when it comes to min/maxing but if on a tight budget, rampager gear can be obtained through dungeon tokens. I mix Rampager/Valk on my reaper & I like the results.

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Posted by: Blaine Tog.8304

Blaine Tog.8304

Long story kept short: is Carrion gonna hamstring me in terms of damage when playing pve content, or should I choose a different armor set-up?

Rampagers and Carrion would both be fine. I’d probably go Carrion over Rampagers to maximize my Condi ticks, but Rampagers is totally fine. Vipers is the best condi prefix right now, with Sinister just a little bit behind, but you shouldn’t have problems with any of those gear sets. Rabid is also fine.

Now, Viper/Sinister or Berserker gear are ideal for maximizing clear speed and you never really need defensive stats to get by, but personally, I prefer a bit of bulk in most of my builds. My Necro uses a Knight’s/Valkyrie’s/Zerker mix for power and a Rabid/Carrior mix for Condi, partially because I’m a cheapskate and those mixes were easiest for me to come by and partially because I like being able to take a hit and keep on swinging, especially if I’m having a lazy day and don’t want to have to dodge perfectly all the time. It works great for me. If you’re not looking to break speedclear records, mixing in some defensive stats is totally fine.

I main Ele and Necro, though I have an alt of each profession at level 80.
How to Condi Reaper on a budget
Everything I say is only in reference to PvE and WvW.

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Posted by: Anchoku.8142

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You can mix stat’s, too, adding Cleric to Berserker or Valkyrie. People only think they must have a matched set.

The main question I think OP has is if condition damage is good enough to have gear for. My opinion is that everyone should have a condition damage set of armor along with a power-crit set and carry them both. Whether you use rampager, sinister, or add a little defense is up to you but sometimes condition damage works, even on Necromancer where condition damage is weaker than other professions.