Guild Wars 2

Is necro good at duels i mean the power death shroud one i hate condimancer. What class can’t it beat? I’m implying same skill level for both players.

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You can beat anyone with any build, since it is quite impossible to determine a concept as opaque as the same skill level between two completely different people playing two different, or even the same classes.

That said…

Power based necros are going to have a really hard time with anyone that has high sustain, high avoidance and/or high burst. That includes warriors, mesmers, thieves, and some guardians. Some of those have good sustain too, but the remaining classes that can out-sustain you would be some rangers, some eles (rare to see DD these days), and some engineers.

A power based necro can beat the pants off a condition necro though if played well enough (high enough skill level for both). They will have more stun breaks, more life force geneartion, and more damage in death shroud. Since condition necros have bad sustain, you can generally outlast them if you transfer well. Also they likely won’t have stability and you may or may not in a power build.

There are plenty of builds for all the classes power necro does fine against, but the classically “op” builds are pretty hard for a power necro to crack without surprise bursting them down (not happening in a “duel”). Our tanky power builds have damage that isn’t sufficient to take out the regen heavy classes. (the top 3 listed above).

Disagree. Power based Necro if played and built right can be a worthful opponent for every class. When we may struggle more vs. certain classes like Thieves or Warriors, it mostly comes to timing burst and cooldowns. Power Necro may have insane amount of Life Force and LF generation and strong autoattack/burst AoE. Running thing which may, if effectivly played, cross a border of 100+k effective HP in a single duel is pretty fun.

Power Necros, at least non full-zerkers, are a tough opponent for all condition classes.
To be honest, biggest threat to Power Necros are :
-Chained CC
-Very high mobility
-Blinds
-Dodges/Evades/Blocking
-Gameplay when you prevent Necro from stacking LF

I’ve been running my variation of Power Necro for like a month now and I have to say, it’s viable spec for duelling. It isn’t that good for AoE as Condition variant, but can dominate small scale and I rarely have issues with 1v1.

Also, you may be worst nightmare of burst mesmers. Apart from Misha, I haven’t found any Mesmer who hasn’t died or struggeped hardly when duelling me and, imo, it’s just a matter of skill.

Rym.1469:

Disagree. Power based Necro if played and built right can be a worthful opponent for every class. When we may struggle more vs. certain classes like Thieves or Warriors, it mostly comes to timing burst and cooldowns. Power Necro may have insane amount of Life Force and LF generation and strong autoattack/burst AoE. Running thing which may, if effectivly played, cross a border of 100+k effective HP in a single duel is pretty fun.

Power Necros, at least non full-zerkers, are a tough opponent for all condition classes.
To be honest, biggest threat to Power Necros are :
-Chained CC
-Very high mobility
-Blinds
-Dodges/Evades/Blocking
-Gameplay when you prevent Necro from stacking LF

I’ve been running my variation of Power Necro for like a month now and I have to say, it’s viable spec for duelling. It isn’t that good for AoE as Condition variant, but can dominate small scale and I rarely have issues with 1v1.

Also, you may be worst nightmare of burst mesmers. Apart from Misha, I haven’t found any Mesmer who hasn’t died or struggeped hardly when duelling me and, imo, it’s just a matter of skill.

I guess I should have qualified my statement. If you are starting with a full life-force bar and you are in WvW, I think power necro is significantly better. I assumed the question was relative to PvP (maybe wrong), where you start at zero life force, which is a pretty big hole to dig yourself out of against classes like mesmer, who have a limited time to deal with you till they run out of stealth.

Also if a shatter mesmer catches you with the immob you are in deep trouble, again in PvP.

Mileage may very of course, I am a far worse power necro than most, as that is not my thing, but I still don’t see what tools it has that are not made up for by simply outplaying your opponent. That was why I mentioned the concept of equal skill as kind of a waste of time to consider.

True about other condition classes, such as condi warriors, engineers, condi mesmers. In fact power necro really is THE best if built right against any condition build because of the high removal, and punishing retransfer.

I’m talking purely about PvP duelling in the Mists.
Also, it’s a rule that you may start the duel with 22% of LF (value of sacrificing two minions)

One of the problems of Mesmer when duelling Power necro, especially one keeping Locust Swarm up, traited, like me is that Locust proc on every single clone, phantasm or AI around, keeping your LF Bar up pretty easily.

I duel on my Power Necro I was even doing so yesterday and I tend to find that yes you can duel on a Power Necro though a bi-product of it if you use the same build as me is that the fight is over very quickly and everyone can normally tell if you are going to win or lose after just a few seconds. (I am on the high end Zerka for Power Necro so not so fun to watch).

The classes I tend to have the most trouble with are Elementalists (And I can’t for the life of me work out why I might just be dumb), PU Mesmers and Medi-Guards. (Again though that might just be me being dumb)

By all means give it a go but like Rennoko said against some of these classes you might have to really work for the win.

Only profession I sometimes have problems with, are Thieves. After that probably mesmers or hammer-warriors, but altogether Power Necros can surely be viable in PvP.

As a power necro I can struggle against meditation guards, PU mesmers and very quick and very patient thieves. Otherwise a lot of classes can be burst down relatively easily, but those with good dps yet mitigation are a problem.

Being good at duels doesn’t really have anything to do with your class, it’s your build, skill level, your opponents build and their skill level. Some builds are just straight up strong for dueling but if you or your opponent is terrible at playing the build then there’s a high likelihood of losing.

That being said, I feel that necros excel in duels. The condi pressure from merely auto attacking on a cookie cutter terrormancer build just wrecks most people, your excellent condi transfer and cleansing puts you in a good position vs condi builds. The biggest challenge I reckon would be some sort of stun locking warrior, due to your lack of stability and their ridiculous amount of condi cleanse + cc, you need to make smart use of spectral walk, dodges, fears and corrupt boon to make it out.

The cookie cutter death shroud/wells power necro is also very good for dueling, a ridiculous amount of opponents severely underestimate the potential of this build and I think that’s one of it’s biggest strengths. They will often go in and “secure the kill” once they see how glass you are, once that happens it’s dark pact, wells, locust swarm, life transfer and maybe some life blasts and your opponent quickly turns into a lootbag. You can also stack ridiculous vuln with axe focus, do really good damage with axe 2 and spinal shivers(the automatic one from the trait too) which also removes those pesky boons and a ranged cripple on the axe which allows you to close in (or do some life blasts then dark path) and stab them in the head with dagger autos or something. If you are running well of darkness you can take the chill on blind trait to further punish anyone who comes close to you. Alternatively you can just go lich and it’s gg motherkittener.