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Honestly. Their not fun to use. Unlike the Guardian tomes these do see use. but they only see use because we don’t have any other real options. Both of these skills are just spamming one skill over and over again. Its repetitive, its boring and with the nerfs to them. Why bother? replace and remove these skills. I’d rather not be bored to tears while playing a necro.

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I can’t believe they made it so that plague kills us. It’s as if the entire Necro changes list was some cruel joke.

15’kittening seconds is like 4 #1 skills, or like #4 and one or two #1s. I will not even waste my time because wtf, you loose time in the godkitten transform. Anet failed.

Well plaque only purpose is annoy enemies couple sec longer when zerg run over you because NECRO DOESN’T HAVE FRIGGING LEAP.

Devs chose a Necro representative from this community and start working with them. It’s obvious you’re lost

Gryph.8237:

Devs chose a Necro representative from this community and start working with them. It’s obvious you’re lost

I think we need a Necro CDI. The level of Necro hate from the devs is unrealistically bad. Maybe somebody should make a music video about it. I’m thinking Wrecking Ball would make a good parody for this situation.

Junkpile.7439:

Well plaque only purpose is annoy enemies couple sec longer when zerg run over you because NECRO DOESN’T HAVE FRIGGING LEAP.

We do, but you need to go into Reaper Shroud for it.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Stop comparing the class to it self it needs to compete properly and I don’t trust minion’s AI pattern.

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, so in order fo lich to be usefull we have to trait for it? Great balance. Also plague form does not apply one stack it applies 20 stacks of bleeding with your damage and duration.

Tim.6450:

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, so in order fo lich to be usefull we have to trait for it? Great balance. Also plague form does not apply one stack it applies 20 stacks of bleeding with your damage and duration.

Plague: This skill is now considered a corruption skill and applies 1 stack of bleeding for 2 seconds to you every second it is active.

You will at most have 2 stacks of bleeding on you at one time, maybe 3 with increased condi duration. Whoop de freggin doo.

And the trait isn’t for Lich, it’s for all spectral skills.

Spectral Mastery: Reduces recharge of spectral skills by 20% and increases duration by 50%. Additionally, when you activate a spectral skill you gain 5% life force. In addition to- Lich Form: This skill is now considered a spectral skill and grants 15% life force when it ends.

Meaning it now has a shorter cooldown, longer duration, and grants lifeforce on use and exit.

If you want to actually contribute, know what you’re talking about and create an actual discussion instead of whining about things that are actually ok and saying nothing about Consume Conditions nerf for example.

Shaogin.2679:

Tim.6450:

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, so in order fo lich to be usefull we have to trait for it? Great balance. Also plague form does not apply one stack it applies 20 stacks of bleeding with your damage and duration.

Plague: This skill is now considered a corruption skill and applies 1 stack of bleeding for 2 seconds to you every second it is active.

You will at most have 2 stacks of bleeding on you at one time, maybe 3 with increased condi duration. Whoop de freggin doo.

And the trait isn’t for Lich, it’s for all spectral skills.

Spectral Mastery: Reduces recharge of spectral skills by 20% and increases duration by 50%. Additionally, when you activate a spectral skill you gain 5% life force. In addition to- Lich Form: This skill is now considered a spectral skill and grants 15% life force when it ends.

Meaning it now has a shorter cooldown, longer duration, and grants lifeforce on use and exit.

If you want to actually contribute, know what you’re talking about and create an actual discussion instead of whining about things that are actually ok and saying nothing about Consume Conditions nerf for example.

Thank you captain obvious, but it still does not retract my points:
-you are applying at least 40 seconds of bleeding to yourself by using an elite skill. So with no condition damage you’re still doing 1000 damage to yourself for using your skill (500 to your effective health pool because plague boosts vitality) and for every 400 condition damage you have you get another 1000 damage.
-In order to have a decent lich form you have to take a specific trait in a specific traitline, the fact that the trait works on other skills doesn’t matter. It’s bad design.

Also I ’m very vocal about CC just not on this thread.

I wish Plague was just a Reaper of Grenth-like effect with blind/poison and 3 stab every 3s, I wouldn’t even mind if it kept the current bleeding, but it would no longer increase stats, but also wouldn’t lock you out of your skills.

Lich should be like Rampage as One, with its 5 skill as a second active after using it. Gives you a large DPS increase through a stat boost for 15 seconds and pulsing stab, but requires you to still land your normal abilities.

Boom, both abilities work much better, are more interesting to use, and don’t bar you from the rest of our profession.

Bhawb.7408:

I wish Plague was just a Reaper of Grenth-like effect with blind/poison and 3 stab every 3s, I wouldn’t even mind if it kept the current bleeding, but it would no longer increase stats, but also wouldn’t lock you out of your skills.

Lich should be like Rampage as One, with its 5 skill as a second active after using it. Gives you a large DPS increase through a stat boost for 15 seconds and pulsing stab, but requires you to still land your normal abilities.

Boom, both abilities work much better, are more interesting to use, and don’t bar you from the rest of our profession.

I’d like that too. Maybe some boosted condition damage while its active too. Like 200 or something.

Bhawb.7408:

wouldn’t lock you out of your skills.

6 more years

So I was informed of the CC change, and was like “oh, that’s pretty awful”.

And then this, lol. Really? So are we removing the necro in favor of the new class or what?

I don’t really think there is reason to nerf lich form durnation (again) because staying in lich form makes you very vulnurable to focus fire and you often dont want to use the full durnation of the transform (in PvP atleast).
I think lich is such a flavorfull and cool skill for necros to have but the durnation on it is getting pathetic.

Ice Furl.4982:

I don’t really think there is reason to nerf lich form durnation (again) because staying in lich form makes you very vulnurable to focus fire and you often dont want to use the full durnation of the transform (in PvP atleast).
I think lich is such a flavorfull and cool skill for necros to have but the durnation on it is getting pathetic.

One of the Issues I have with it is you don’t have much of a reason to use the other 4 skills it gives you. They’re slow, clunky and drop your damage significantly.

Kitten no, I love those big transformation ultimates

When you pop lich form, the inside of your brain turns into macho man randy savage and you scream OOOHHHH YEEEEEEH, WHO’S READY TO DIE, WHO’S READY TO SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM and then you shrek everything around you with those insane autoattacks. You are the destroyer of worlds and destroyer of kittenes who can instantly flip any spvp teamfight on its head if you pick the right moment when the enemies are distracted and have blown most of their cooldowns.

It doesn’t need to be complex for it to be incredibly fun and incredibly useful. If there’s any part of the balance changes I am glad about, it’s that they didn’t mention lowering the damage of lich form auto.

Also a lot of people seem to forget that we now have 22 seconds of lich form if you pick up the spectral trait. A heavy theme of this specializations update is that if you want something to be really good, you gotta get the traits, and you no longer miss out on 300 precision or power by picking one of the lower 3 trait lines.

Cecilia.5179:

Gryph.8237:

Devs chose a Necro representative from this community and start working with them. It’s obvious you’re lost

I think we need a Necro CDI. The level of Necro hate from the devs is unrealistically bad. Maybe somebody should make a music video about it. I’m thinking Wrecking Ball would make a good parody for this situation.

Make choxie, holtts, or another well known necromancer in charge of this.

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

THANK YOU somebody who knows how our traits and utilitys work. all this forum hate is incredible and annoying no wonder we dont get fixes/changes. if u are a dev and the only thing u get form a certain profession forum is hate would you read all of it to find some constructive criticism?

Goldenrevolver.4371:

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

THANK YOU somebody who knows how our traits and utilitys work. all this forum hate is incredible and annoying no wonder we dont get fixes/changes. if u are a dev and the only thing u get form a certain profession forum is hate would you read all of it to find some constructive criticism?

Yes, I would . :P I ofc, would be a tremendously small minority their though

Goldenrevolver.4371:

THANK YOU somebody who knows how our traits and utilitys work. all this forum hate is incredible and annoying no wonder we dont get fixes/changes. if u are a dev and the only thing u get form a certain profession forum is hate would you read all of it to find some constructive criticism?

If a skill can’t stand on its own without traits/runes/sigils, then the skill isn’t good.

Nerfed Lich has the problem that the duration is too short, casting lich has aftercast, the cast times of all skills is too long & skill are interrupted at the end.

Also QoL issues like not being able to stomp.

Nerfed lich will only be useful in builds using a Specific trait in a specific trait line.

That wouldn’t be so bad, but the alternatives are nerfed plague or nerfed (in the previous patch) golem.

Shaogin.2679:

Tim.6450:

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, so in order fo lich to be usefull we have to trait for it? Great balance. Also plague form does not apply one stack it applies 20 stacks of bleeding with your damage and duration.

Plague: This skill is now considered a corruption skill and applies 1 stack of bleeding for 2 seconds to you every second it is active.

You will at most have 2 stacks of bleeding on you at one time, maybe 3 with increased condi duration. Whoop de freggin doo.

And the trait isn’t for Lich, it’s for all spectral skills.

Spectral Mastery: Reduces recharge of spectral skills by 20% and increases duration by 50%. Additionally, when you activate a spectral skill you gain 5% life force. In addition to- Lich Form: This skill is now considered a spectral skill and grants 15% life force when it ends.

Meaning it now has a shorter cooldown, longer duration, and grants lifeforce on use and exit.

If you want to actually contribute, know what you’re talking about and create an actual discussion instead of whining about things that are actually ok and saying nothing about Consume Conditions nerf for example.

…And then – if you aren’t a blind idiot – you notice that even those 2 stacks mean we are in perma combat ,thus coming with pooor movespeed on top of our nonexistant mobility, and will be oneshot by the next random person coming near. Same goes for Consume Conditions btw. Really nice. NOT.