Lets talk celestial
i wouldnt recommend a complete all-stat armor, cause even as a hybrid you want to get 2 or 3 stats relatively high, which isnt possible with too much celestial gear.
on the other hand, having some pieces of all-stat-items as an addition to other stuff can really complete a hybrid build. especially with all the cheap critical damage it provides
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Yeah anyone who is thinking of actually going for a full all stat gear set needs a serious slap across the face.
Only class that would even remotely benefit from celestial would be elementalists and possibly guardians.
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I doubt that it’s worth it for a Necromancer.
You’d need to make some sort of odd build that uses Well of Blood and both Condition Damage and Power.
Great for Elementalist, though, as they all get Healing from Water Attunement.
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Yeah anyone who is thinking of actually going for a full all stat gear set needs a serious slap across the face.
Unless you are a ele, range or guardian.
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No lol. Because your not focused on any role if you take celestial. Your damage will be poor, your survivability will be ok and your healing will be ok. Doesnt matter what class, if you have unfocused stats you are seriously wasting class potential just because you cant make your mind up.
I wonder if the gear is really that bad and plan on getting a set to work with. Focus can be gotten via traits, accessories, runes, sigils, and consumables. I won’t be 100% of one thing or another but celestial rear is powerful and flexible. If Arenanet does something about Necromancer’s healing for better sustain when under heavy fire and unable to avoid damage or escape, then I can see how a balanced set might be useful.
The Grenth temple set was not horrible when I had it. It was not optimal for anything but it was also not bad at some situations, either. When things go wrong in a PUG, it is nice to be able to pull out a set that more supportive rather than troll or leave the group.
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No lol. Because your not focused on any role if you take celestial. Your damage will be poor, your survivability will be ok and your healing will be ok. Doesnt matter what class, if you have unfocused stats you are seriously wasting class potential just because you cant make your mind up.
I think a D/D ele build, and a regen/condition ranger build would call you out on this as wrong. If you class can make good use of all the stats, it is certainly worth it.
You should ask yourself. Do you have a weapon on necro that has good base damage/scaling and good condition damage? Can I heal more than the normal 6 heal effectively with more healing power? Can I take a trait arrangement that allows me to use all these stats?
We can do some of that as a necro, but cannot make good use of the healing power, and scepter would be our only weapon choice for good conditions and so so power damage.
I plan to try it out, but I don’t have high hopes.
No lol. Because your not focused on any role if you take celestial. Your damage will be poor, your survivability will be ok and your healing will be ok. Doesnt matter what class, if you have unfocused stats you are seriously wasting class potential just because you cant make your mind up.
Naw, Eles can get away with Celestial gear pretty well. Their weapon design already locks them in to being unfocused, so focusing too hard just means they’re always wasting skills. They can use all the stats, so an Ele with Celestial gear will have more useful stat points than an Ele with other gear, allowing Celestial gear to mimic the stat multiplicity the other armor sets aim for.
Celestial gear might work well for Engineers, too, though they would have to try a bit to make it work. For Necros, eh, I’d rather focus on stat multiplicity. Too many of their Utility skills are markedly better for one spec over another (whereas every Ele spec can make good use of Cantrips, for example).
I main Ele and Necro, though I have an alt of each profession at level 80.
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What about a might stacking build using staff and scepter? The offhand would be debatable, but I’m still partial to dagger.
Well of Blood is a must, and if you take staff and Mark of Evasion you’ll have perma regen. Well, maybe not perma but something close. That utilizes healing power pretty well.
Staff and scepter both have skills that scale reasonably well with power. Since you’re already using Well of Blood toss in Well of Corruption and Well of Suffering. There’s a good bit of direct damage that utilizes power effectively.
Staff and scepter are already good at condition damage, but Well of Corruption and Deathshroud add some damaging conditions of their own as well. Plus you will have some really long bleeds from Blood is Power that PvE mobs aren’t too good at cleansing.
Your elite could be anything, with Lich offering more damage when you need it and Plague offering more durability. Fleshy would do the same thing he always does.
You’d need a Sigil of Battle in each weapon set. I’d put a Sigil of Corruption on your second set, but Bloodlust or Force would probably work as well. Your runes would have to be might stacking runes (2 strength, 2 hoelbrak, 2 fire). Food could be anything, but I’d go for Rare Veggie Pizza and Master Tuning Crystals.
Traits are a bit more difficult, but you need at least 20 Curses and 20 Blood Magic. This is because of Master of Corruption and Ritual Mastery. I would suggest 0/20/10/30/10. 0/30/10/30/0 could also work. But my suggestion is to take Weakening Shroud, Master of Corruption, Greater Marks, Mark of Evasion, Ritual Mastery, Vampiric Rituals, and Path of Midnight. Deathshroud will be very strong in this build because both #4 and #5 will be great AoE damage. That’s why I suggest Path of Midnight.
In the end, you’ll be looking at a build that can build up might stacks pretty quickly, and has decent damage and durability. Probably not the greatest idea in the world, but it sounds decent to me. Should be great for PvE. WvW is a bit iffy but with wells at least you’ll be doing something. I’d use Focused Rituals if you do go into WvW though.
I might just have to try this out myself.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if somehow a celestial set should somehow be “good” with a 20/20/x/x/x arrangement. Traits should be non-linear in order to stack properly with an elite gear set but they cannot be OP or UP. The celestial stats are like runes of Divinity in that they are relatively weak for one focus area but neither too weak, nor too strong given the combined stat boosts.
Trait skills, accessories, and consumables go a long way toward focusing the Necromancer’s utility skill set
well you could play as a condi mm with scepter and focus and well of suffering or as an condition applying ds-necro or an healing necro with condi and ds. With that gear it rather depends on your trait choices than choosing your gear and you are forced to play this one spec fitted for that gear (i.e. berserker).
You guys do realise with full celestial gear your condi dmg is gonna be so poor that theres no point even trying to use conditions. Condi dmg doesnt scale well enough. In rampager gear its only just good enough, in full celestial you really are wasting stats. Not to mention this stat set is only for pve and wvw and in pve condition and survivability stats are a waste. Could possibly be ok for some wvw builds. But honestly i think your gonna lose too much effectiveness for it to be worthwhile.