Guild Wars 2

Lich Form is a really good elite for some necro builds, and the auto attack (which should just be activated rather than having to manually put it on auto attack every time you go into Lich form) I’m pretty sure has the same animation as staff auto attack. And it just feels weird transforming into this awesome Lich then sending off all these tiny little hands toward your foe. It would be neat if the projectile was changed into a skull or something along the lines of necro-ish or just make the claw bigger and hit your target, as well as a small area around, say 180 and slightly tone down the damage, not too much, but just a little

Deathly claws already pierces, which is enough seeing as Lich form has 2 marks on the skill bar. Honestly the only thing that need’s looking at is Mark of Horror, because no MM or Conditionmancer would take lich form anyway. It is a Power build Elite so summoning 5 rats that do bleeding damage is useless.

Death nova with mark of horror is alright…but i see what u mean

Actually horrors are really useful (and more reliable than wind) in terms of dealing with mob aggro, since it seems that NPCs hate the sodding rats just as much as we do.

Mark of Horror is pretty good, which shows that the problem with the Jagged Horrors we are used to is in timing, not the minion itself.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Mark of Horror is pretty good, which shows that the problem with the Jagged Horrors we are used to is in timing, not the minion itself.

This. Was doing some 1v1s in WvW today and the little guy (just one) stacked 4 bleeds all on his own.

dang. them horrors are pretty nifty

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Mark of Horror is pretty good, which shows that the problem with the Jagged Horrors we are used to is in timing, not the minion itself.

Well, no, the minion is actually also very kittenty, hell bone minions without PE would still be better because they kinda position themselves and know how to path correctly (as in dont run away from enemies 33% of the time after being spawned).
MoH is good because of the headcount it creates, causing aggro confusion, well for pve at least, in WvWvW they are meh at best (aoe sink) and in pvp maybe ok, but since the 78% change didnt happen there, i think that a Mighty Blow/Fire Bomb still kill all of em…

With most builds Lich Form will have you do less dps than you would do while outside of it, so it’s kind of a waste. Yeah, the horrors are good for drawing attention away from you in PvE, I guess, but that’s about it. I’d rather just keep Flesh Golem for the extra little bit of constant dps, aswell as a CC on demand that can hit multiple targets if I need it. Plague’s also a decent panic button if you need that kind of thing. Both are better than Lich, imo.

SolemnMalevolence.5248:

With most builds Lich Form will have you do less dps than you would do while outside of it, so it’s kind of a waste. Yeah, the horrors are good for drawing attention away from you in PvE, I guess, but that’s about it. I’d rather just keep Flesh Golem for the extra little bit of constant dps, aswell as a CC on demand that can hit multiple targets if I need it. Plague’s also a decent panic button if you need that kind of thing. Both are better than Lich, imo.

WTF are you smoking? Lich form quads your power, triples your precision, just with 15 points into SR on any power build you do more than you could do with anything else except maybe for with UW life blast with UW based setup. Golem is worthless as “dps boost”, he is there for the charge/more minions to proc stuff off.

It doesn’t ‘quad your power’. It triples it. It also only doubles your precision. The problem with this is that the trade-off is that you get an awful skill-set and a very slow auto attack. The precision buff is negligible because on pretty much any zerker build you won’t need the extra precision. Just throwing one build out, 30/25/0/0/15 will do way more dps auto attacking with the dagger than done auto attacking with lich form.

Even 30/10/0/0/30 would rather not be in lich form because that build’s damage comes from Death Shroud, which gives them +50% crit chance anyway. For conditions—that speaks for itself. You gain no benefit from Lich Form here whatsoever. Tell me, what build is Lich Form good with, exactly?

edit: Not only is it only 3x power and 2x precision, but the base values for these stats are what are multiplied, making it even less useful.

SolemnMalevolence.5248:

It doesn’t ‘quad your power’. It triples it. It also only doubles your precision. The problem with this is that the trade-off is that you get an awful skill-set and a very slow auto attack. The precision buff is negligible because on pretty much any zerker build you won’t need the extra precision. Just throwing one build out, 30/25/0/0/15 will do way more dps auto attacking with the dagger than done auto attacking with lich form.

Even 30/10/0/0/30 would rather not be in lich form because that build’s damage comes from Death Shroud, which gives them +50% crit chance anyway. For conditions—that speaks for itself. You gain no benefit from Lich Form here whatsoever. Tell me, what build is Lich Form good with, exactly?

edit: Not only is it only 3x power and 2x precision, but the base values for these stats are what are multiplied, making it even less useful.

I dont think that you get what multiplication is, here let me explain 1×4=4, that means it got quadrupled. Also in no unverse can you call a jump from 2 to 4k of the main damage scaling stat “not useful”

Also Dagger deals more dps than DS even in a 30/x/x/x/30 showing your lack of knowledge of the profession and basic math.

SolemnMalevolence.5248:

Now, I ask again. What build does Lich Form benefit?

Axe Necro in WvW… especially when you come across a few invaders crowded together… the auto attack cuts them in half

Im not entirely sure but isnt one of the reasons Lich form is bad is because it butchers your crit damage. Also dagger is way better unless you use some pvt spec.

And according to wiki base power is tripled and base precision doubled.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lich_Form

spoj.9672:

Im not entirely sure but isnt one of the reasons Lich form is bad is because it butchers your crit damage. Also dagger is way better unless you use some pvt spec.

butchering crit damage? do you mean a change in crit damage calculation? because the actual crit damage value (in the char screen) stays the same (minus the weapon stats, i think).

Andele.1306:

Also in no unverse can you call a jump from 2 to 4k of the main damage scaling stat “not useful”

uhm, yes, you can. In our universe for example, where that jump is offset by a bad scaling, slow speed and the fact that the stats are capped when youre downleveled.

RashanDale.3609:

spoj.9672:

Im not entirely sure but isnt one of the reasons Lich form is bad is because it butchers your crit damage. Also dagger is way better unless you use some pvt spec.

butchering crit damage? do you mean a change in crit damage calculation? because the actual crit damage value (in the char screen) stays the same (minus the weapon stats, i think).

I swear it use to reduce the crit damage. But maybe that was just when downscaled. Downscaling already completely butchers crit damage without transformations.

spoj.9672:

RashanDale.3609:

spoj.9672:

Im not entirely sure but isnt one of the reasons Lich form is bad is because it butchers your crit damage. Also dagger is way better unless you use some pvt spec.

butchering crit damage? do you mean a change in crit damage calculation? because the actual crit damage value (in the char screen) stays the same (minus the weapon stats, i think).

I swear it use to reduce the crit damage. But maybe that was just when downscaled. Downscaling already completely butchers crit damage without transformations.

Idk about it butchering crit damage, but why even worry about that when it deals a crap ton of damage to begin with? Lich Form is like a free Deathly Perception and it does 3x more damage than life blast, actually make that like 3.5x more damage because of the faster cast rate.

Because I only use dagger and the only time Lich form is remotely useful to me is on ice elemental/dredge powersuit.

If Lich Form ever hurts your DPS, you either shouldn’t be using Lich because your build isn’t remotely useful for it (aka your build has no power damage) or you aren’t using lich form right.

Or dagger deals more. Which it does.

spoj.9672:

Or dagger deals more. Which it does.

I hate this argument. It doesn’t. Lich Form > Life Blast > Dagger Chain. And first two can pierce which can effectively double or triple their damage, and in a berserker build both also have a 100% Crit rate.

Dagger is higher dps than both. Its just not piercing. You cant say they beat dagger just because if they hit 2 mobs they do more damage. Thats a completely invalid arguement. Life blast is so slow even with 100% crit chance it doesnt beat dagger dps at a respectable 70% crit chance. Were talking single target because thats the only thing worth considering.

On the other hand, dagger leaves you with no margin of error. You are completely subject to anything the enemy can do. Life Blast is equally effective at 600 range as it is at 0, and Lich Form loses nothing from being at 1200 range (at least on the atuo-attack).

k, another thing id like to ask if any1 knows, is how many conditions does Grim Spectre cure on allies and how many boons does it rip off of enemies?

CMstorm.8679:

k, another thing id like to ask if any1 knows, is how many conditions does Grim Spectre cure on allies and how many boons does it rip off of enemies?

So far as I know, all of them.

pretty nifty