Guild Wars 2

I had an interesting discussion in game about how much life force a necro in WvW should be allowed to have at the start of a duel.

If I don’t have any life force at all I usually desummon 2 minions for 20%, because that’s what you can do at the beginning of a tPvP match as well.
You might also argue that in WvW anytime you’ll come across a necro he’s likely to have a full shroud, therefore a realistic scenario for a duel would be 100% lf.

Anyway, a warrior insited I deplete my pool completely because he was starting without adrenalin. Of course, comparing life force to adrenalin is hardly fair… but I played along. Naturally I lost against a perma-stun build without being able to go into Shroud at all from the start. (I could beat him with anything above 10% though.)

So my question is:
Is there an etiquette or unwritten rule on this matter?
How much life force do you usually start out with in arranged duels?

If he’s crying about not starting with adren at the start of a fight, then tell him to go stack adren.

Usually I’ll start at 100%, unless there are no mobs nearby, in which case anything over 50% is good enough.

If you can start that way at the beggining of a tpvp match, then its fair IMO.

( 20 or 30% LF being Flesh golem, the shadow fiend and the bone fiend)

never heard of an unwritten rule regarding this. but i wouldnt start without any life force ever. at least 20%; thats what i start with in pvp.

comparing adrenalin to lf is a kittening joke. you can get a full adrenalin bar in a couple of seconds if you want it. gathering life force in a fight is much harder.

Its WvW. I don’t like to duel (though I have) without a full bar.

I have never had anyone complain that I had full life force. In fact I have had people tell me to go fill up my life force before the duel starts.

The idea behind a WvW duel is that it is simulating an open field 1v1. Since I will never be in the open field without a full bar, makes sense to me. For this reason I also dislike switching skills/traits around, because in an open field fight I wouldn’t do that.

Adrenaline is balanced with the assumption that it can degenerate naturally.

Death Shroud is balanced with the assumption that you keep your Life Force until you use it.

The warrior was being an unrealistic baby. If he absolutely wouldn’t stop crying, let him fill up his adrenaline against a mob first.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Adrenaline is balanced with the assumption that it can degenerate naturally.

Death Shroud is balanced with the assumption that you keep your Life Force until you use it.

The warrior was being an unrealistic baby. If he absolutely wouldn’t stop crying, let him fill up his adrenaline against a mob first.

lol agreed. It won’t keep him from getting destroyed anyhow.

Here’s a somewhat related question: what’s your oppinion on kill stacks in duels?

If you fight many duels in a row you are likely to lose them anyway.
But the other day I met with a thief for 2 duels only, because I had to go offline. He had 25x bloodlust, 5x Guard Leech and 5x Applied Fortitude. (+350 power, +100 condition damage, +2,5k health).
He wanted a rematch after I killed him in the field earlier, but then I had corruption and Fortitude stacks myself, later in our duel I didn’t. I lost both matches, one of them was really close and I bet I would have downed him if he had 2,5k health less.
I didn’t complain, they were really good and intense fights… but what’s your oppinion on this matter? Should one lose his stacks if the other one doesn’t have any?

flow.6043:

Here’s a somewhat related question: what’s your oppinion on kill stacks in duels?

If you fight many duels in a row you are likely to lose them anyway.
But the other day I met with a thief for 2 duels only, because I had to go offline. He had 25x bloodlust, 5x Guard Leech and 5x Applied Fortitude. (+350 power, +100 condition damage, +2,5k health).
He wanted a rematch after I killed him in the field earlier, but then I had corruption and Fortitude stacks myself, later in our duel I didn’t. I lost both matches, one of them was really close and I bet I would have downed him if he had 2,5k health less.
I didn’t complain, they were really good and intense fights… but what’s your oppinion on this matter? Should one lose his stacks if the other one doesn’t have any?

both duelists should have equal stacks imo.
i definitely wouldnt agree to a fight where my opponent simply has 700 statpts more than i have.

Trait for the fear on stun and get yourself some spectral stun breakers for generating lifeforce while he beats away

Stacks are a no-no in duels. It happens from time to time if I am roaming and someone wants to challenge me. We routinely will go get downed by the boars to drop stacks before a duel.

Bottom line is that it is nothing but raw stats, which isn’t a fair addition. Food on the other hand changes builds, has variable effects, etc.

This depends on what the Warrior has as utilities as well.

If he has signet of fury on his bar he can fill that bar up instantly using that, and if he wanted to, could fill the bar instantly using healing surge.

Necro has zero instant ways to fill a life force bar.

chefdiablo.6791:

This depends on what the Warrior has as utilities as well.

If he has signet of fury on his bar he can fill that bar up instantly using that, and if he wanted to, could fill the bar instantly using healing surge.

Necro has zero instant ways to fill a life force bar.

Ohmigosh but how awesome and broken would that be?

Blaine Tog.8304:

chefdiablo.6791:

This depends on what the Warrior has as utilities as well.

If he has signet of fury on his bar he can fill that bar up instantly using that, and if he wanted to, could fill the bar instantly using healing surge.

Necro has zero instant ways to fill a life force bar.

Ohmigosh but how awesome and broken would that be?

Well, I am not too sure at where the sarcasm is being directed, either at me or Anet or whatever, but I would not want to give up a full Life force bar to a Warrior during duel as a trade off for his empty adrenaline bar if he can fill it up using not just one, but two skills instantly.

I do not want to have instant Life Force generation ever. Would like to start with some in pvp matches but that is another story.

Anton Chigurh weighs in with his opinion here (starts at 1:10, ends at 1:26).

Translation: play to win.

chefdiablo.6791:

Blaine Tog.8304:

chefdiablo.6791:

This depends on what the Warrior has as utilities as well.

If he has signet of fury on his bar he can fill that bar up instantly using that, and if he wanted to, could fill the bar instantly using healing surge.

Necro has zero instant ways to fill a life force bar.

Ohmigosh but how awesome and broken would that be?

Well, I am not too sure at where the sarcasm is being directed, either at me or Anet or whatever, but I would not want to give up a full Life force bar to a Warrior during duel as a trade off for his empty adrenaline bar if he can fill it up using not just one, but two skills instantly.

I do not want to have instant Life Force generation ever. Would like to start with some in pvp matches but that is another story.

No sarcasm, I was gushing at the idea of a utility skill that gave us full LF. I know it’s never going to happen and it would be way too strong if it did, but a man can dream.