Guild Wars 2

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/RIP-perma-swiftness/page/2#post5169529

Robert, please.

What the puppy was that kitten

All we want is 5s CD off our heal back and a reduction of vuln stacks. can’t even get that it feels like.

I don’t even have a response to that. It seems so unfathomable that happens in the engi forum that I am in denial.

I started playing GW2 the beta test after necromancer’s reigned supreme and I still feel like I missed a golden age. I got to feel what it was like to be wanted in a group, not just tolerated, for 2 months after the dumbfire change.

But because of dhuumfire we started bleeding bleed stacks and Terror damage was reduce 17%. Even after dhuumfire was tied to DS1, and no one used it, we didn’t get reverts. All we got is silence.

If a dev is reading this I hope you understand how disheartening it is to see things like this.

Loyo.8526:

All we want is 5s CD off our heal back and a reduction of vuln stacks. can’t even get that it feels like.

NOPE! i refuse to make concessions when other professions do not. change it to what it was before nothing less!!!!

They won’t speak with us because we’re all kittened off. Rightfully so but… They’re probably afraid to approach us, lol.

Odeezee.7362:

Loyo.8526:

All we want is 5s CD off our heal back and a reduction of vuln stacks. can’t even get that it feels like.

NOPE! i refuse to make concessions when other professions do not. change it to what it was before nothing less!!!!

That would be ideal, and we even stretching for that… Its saddening to cleave down our heal instead of leaving it as is and fixing up the other ones that are lackluster. people still angry about the nerf to well of blood so long ago.

How disheartening indeed….of all classes its engineer nonetheless

there are no words i could use to describe my disappointment

Can we ask for the well deserved Well of Blood buff from back when it was nerfed with half duration and laughable healing buff. We might actually have some viable healing skill now that CC is garbage.

Definitely have engie envy going on. For some reason they are really pushing to make people play engies by giving them buffs across the board.

If you watch the live stream it is self evident the devs working on the engy are quite excited over the changes. What I didn’t know was just how coddled their community was.

2 hours in or not, could you at least feign interest in the necro changes Joshua? And If not could we get another necro designer (or at very least player) to sit in the other seat.

gavyne.6847:

Definitely have engie envy going on. For some reason they are really pushing to make people play engies by giving them buffs across the board.

Probably because they are the least played class along with Mesmer by the looks of any graphs we have seen.

Sadly, Necro is 3rd last, so they really aren’t doing any favours there either.

http://guildwars2viz.com/

Tommyknocker.6089:

If you watch the live stream it is self evident the devs working on the engy are quite excited over the changes. What I didn’t know was just how coddled their community was.

2 hours in or not, could you at least feign interest in the necro changes Joshua? And If not could we get another necro designer (or at very least player) to sit in the other seat.

I understand the frustration, but Joshua Davis mains Engineer, it only makes sense would be giddy over the changes.

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PistolWhip.2697:

Tommyknocker.6089:

If you watch the live stream it is self evident the devs working on the engy are quite excited over the changes. What I didn’t know was just how coddled their community was.

2 hours in or not, could you at least feign interest in the necro changes Joshua? And If not could we get another necro designer (or at very least player) to sit in the other seat.

I understand the frustration, but Joshua Davis mains Engineer, it only makes sense would be giddy over the changes.

Oh I completely understand, but I would just like to see equal representation is all. When devs discuss and banter the ideas back and forth it can lead to more incite into what was changed and why. Although Robert Gee did a great job describing the changes having a necro player along for the ride would have not only given Joshua a break, but we might have had someone from our side of the coin voicing an opinion.

…..twitch….twitch twitch…twitch…..Does anybody else just feel like screaming right now? Anybody? Specifically in Anet’s direction?

Tommyknocker.6089:

PistolWhip.2697:

Tommyknocker.6089:

If you watch the live stream it is self evident the devs working on the engy are quite excited over the changes. What I didn’t know was just how coddled their community was.

2 hours in or not, could you at least feign interest in the necro changes Joshua? And If not could we get another necro designer (or at very least player) to sit in the other seat.

I understand the frustration, but Joshua Davis mains Engineer, it only makes sense would be giddy over the changes.

Oh I completely understand, but I would just like to see equal representation is all. When devs discuss and banter the ideas back and forth it can lead to more incite into what was changed and why. Although Robert Gee did a great job describing the changes having a necro player along for the ride would have not only given Joshua a break, but we might have had someone from our side of the coin voicing an opinion.

To be fair, Josh was probably tired and frustrated at the time when they recorded considering all they went through from even putting the 200 slides together to having the stream get kittened up to dealing withexpansion pre-purchase backlash.

devs love engi there is no way they would trash the class to necro levels.

Tommyknocker.6089:

PistolWhip.2697:

Tommyknocker.6089:

If you watch the live stream it is self evident the devs working on the engy are quite excited over the changes. What I didn’t know was just how coddled their community was.

2 hours in or not, could you at least feign interest in the necro changes Joshua? And If not could we get another necro designer (or at very least player) to sit in the other seat.

I understand the frustration, but Joshua Davis mains Engineer, it only makes sense would be giddy over the changes.

Oh I completely understand, but I would just like to see equal representation is all. When devs discuss and banter the ideas back and forth it can lead to more incite into what was changed and why. Although Robert Gee did a great job describing the changes having a necro player along for the ride would have not only given Joshua a break, but we might have had someone from our side of the coin voicing an opinion.

Once again, I completely understand, I just wanted to play devils advocate to say that Josh doesn’t as far as I know have anything against any other class in particular.

I think your suggestion would of applied and been good for ALL classes to be honest.

See, this makes sense. The perma-swiftness is a big part of a lot of Engi builds. It’s integral to the way the profession plays. Whether it was nixed as an oversight or intentionally, its return is justified.

The Necromancer players just have to convince the development team that not dying because I gave myself 10 stacks of Vuln when I was trying to heal is integral to the way the profession plays.

I’m fairly certain that going into downed state is an integral part to Anet’s idea of the necromancer.

splatticus.1278:

I’m fairly certain that going into downed state is an integral part to Anet’s idea of the necromancer.

Shoot, you’re right.

gavyne.6847:

Definitely have engie envy going on. For some reason they are really pushing to make people play engies by giving them buffs across the board.

They haven’t received buffs across the board, this “buff” is just giving them the same swiftness they’ve always had, on a class that outside of that swiftness generally has limited mobility, it has also nerfed invigorating speed by increasing the cooldown on getting swiftness to 20 secs. And if you’ve played this game long enough and don’t have a selective memory, then you will remember engy swiftness got indirectly nerfed long ago, when they buffed all the movement speed traits (like the warrior melee one)/signets that were 10% movement speed to 25%.

As for peopel playing engies, it is only really PvP they are overly represented in, and that it is only since celestial (and horrible turret builds for a while), in PvE they are not well represented, they are I guess ‘okay’ in PvE would describe them, and in WvW they are fine for roaming, but absolutely the least desired class for raids/zergs, to the point many guilds do not even recruit them.

How about they give the same consume conditions we always had

Gryph.8237:

How about they give the same consume conditions we always had

To be honest I agree, I don’t really see why it has been nerfed, to me it is a strong heal, but on a reasonably long cooldown and is also one of the easiest heals in the game to interrupt.

Yeah this is rather nonsensical.

So since the Coco is apparently going through I take it it means that it was actually ‘intended’ as opposed to swiftness for engis.

Consume conditions APPLYING conditions intended???

Sometimes buffs are Curses.

Dhuumfire for example.

That new Mesmer f5 for example. Every Mesmer skill is going to be balanced as if it could be spammed twice in a row.

A lot of people think Engineer’s healing turret is OP now. And they are getting essentially another one. Does this affect their healing budget?

A lot of engineers are salivating to proc elite runes, like Lyssa runes, basically on demand by swapping to new mortar kit. Once players start doing this for on demand conditions to boons, something’s getting nerfed, and with ANET’s history it will not be the kit or the runes. It will be something random.

Just look at what the new master of corruption did to all of our corruptions.

OP stuff is OP stuff. If the new stuff is actually OP, they will get whacked. Whoever designs Necromancers may not have pull to get stuff done, but I guarantee you that whoever designs warriors does have pull. After Anet gets its HoT sales, some of the new OP stuff is going to get other stuff nerfed hard.

Just like when they patch the cancel cast of axe auto attack and dont do it for mesmer.

Double standards and further evidence of necromancer hate.

That was sad to read. If the Engi elite spec winds up becoming a high damage melee spec, I might just go back to playing Engi. Still wouldn’t have the flavor of my Necro though.