Guild Wars 2

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/meet-the-reaper-necromancers-elite-specialization/

Shouts that deal damage and summon jagged horrors? sweeeeeeet

GS looks great. The transform / life force effect looks awesome. So far I’m pretty impressed.
I’m really digging the chill-based additions. My chillmancer will be a beast.

And… we get a dash!!!!! Woohoo! not too far im guessing but still..

Very nice.

Oh and that execute <3

Honestly I cant stop talking about this. It looks really solid. The new use for life force is sexy.

Been sitting on my runes of ice and sigil of ice for a couple weeks now in anticipation for this, good to know i wasnt wrong. With the new spite minor applying 5 stacks of vuln whenever we apply chill, i can see us throwing around max stacks of vuln fairly easily in pvp depending on how much extra chill we get with new stuff.

Edit: Depending on if we become a huge threat ppl might actually start using runes of svanir(-50% chill duration) just for us, which makes me sad since that one rune alone can hurt chill effectiveness quite alot. Oh and classes like warr+chronomancer with 25/33% chill reduction traits on top of that…..and -condi duration food in wvw……..

Wow this looks incredible, really cool!

Yes chillmancer the new meta^^

Shouts were pretty much the common consensus of what we would get, and I think a change to Death Shroud skills was inevitable too after seeing the “F” skills get changed for Guardian and Mesmer. It’s a bit hard to see how it fits in with the class as a whole at the moment though, without seeing the actual skills, shouts and traits. But first impressions are “looks cool, will wait and see”.

And yes, the teaser video for Reaper looks 100 times better than the Dagonhunter one, good job there. The Death Shroud scythe looks awesome. Slightly more hype after watching a second time.

It looks neat, but also so far doesn’t seem to have much in the way of team support. I’ll reserve final judgment until tomorrow, but at least the animations look neat.

Better start playing power all the time

It looks really cool, but there are some things that were mentioned – such as long cast times and being slow – that bothers me a bit. Long cast times = easy to interrupt, so hopefully we get some stability or other effect to help us there. It also seems like we’re not really getting anything in the form of group support.

I’ll wait until I see the stream tomorrow before I judge this though, it has the potential to be good and it has the potential to be “meh”. Doubt it makes our current situation any worse though, but will it be much of an improvement?

Love it, no complaints. Is my world nao. And a neat little shout to play with for my MM build.

It sure looks cool. But looking cool will not give you a spot in PvE meta. Hopefully some of the utilities and/or traits come with decent group utility.

First impression though: I can dig it

Rising Dusk.2408:

It looks neat, but also so far doesn’t seem to have much in the way of team support. I’ll reserve final judgment until tomorrow, but at least the animations look neat.

I was sort of hoping they would hit allies with something so that Rune of the Trooper would work, but it appears not. Oh well.

MiniEquine.6014:

Rising Dusk.2408:

It looks neat, but also so far doesn’t seem to have much in the way of team support. I’ll reserve final judgment until tomorrow, but at least the animations look neat.

I was sort of hoping they would hit allies with something so that Rune of the Trooper would work, but it appears not. Oh well.

Maybe the Trooper effect will still work on allies within the radius? We’ll have to see.

This seems odd to me… you want to maximize chill usage, yet this is clearly a power based build. I’ll probably pass on this, but maybe some of the shouts are useful to condition users. I’ll reserve final judgement until I see the live stream. Not even a mention of the elite skill, wonder what it does…

A little disappointed that they didn’t do more with the DS, they made it sound like they are just replacing the effects and ranges of the skills, but again I guess we will have to see what the other skills are.

I wonder if this build would be good with sinister gear…

necro’s “i’m the slowest of all casters” issue doesn’t seem to be going away. Unless reaper gets some solid stability we’ll be looking at horror ragdoll, not horror monster.

It looks incredible. How it performs might be a completely different story… Much like watching p_rn and having s_x… Make me climax, ANet.

Sorry for the lewd, it had to be done.

Well they did say they wanted a big bad monster from horror movie feel for us. Most of the time the monsters in horror movies dont get stopped by much(cc), they just move slow themselves. So good chance we will be getting that defiance bar imo.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This seems odd to me… you want to maximize chill usage, yet this is clearly a power based build. I’ll probably pass on this, but maybe some of the shouts are useful to condition users. I’ll reserve final judgement until I see the live stream. Not even a mention of the elite skill, wonder what it does…

A little disappointed that they didn’t do more with the DS, they made it sound like they are just replacing the effects and ranges of the skills, but again I guess we will have to see what the other skills are.

I wonder if this build would be good with sinister gear…

Chilled isn’t a condition that benefits from condition damage. The only thing that affects it is condition duration and that is getting removed from the trait lines. This is why Hammer Medi Guardians benefitted from glacial heart (hammer criticals have a chance to apply chilled) because they don’t run condition damage and they do run precision.

Also, they did say that Death Shroud skills were changing, but that the traits that affected each skill would still affect the replacement skill, or something to that extent. It would be more melee focused though.

Issues with current Necros:

1. No group support
2. slow casting
3. no mobility
4. no power based AOE
5. low DPS

Issues Solve by specialization:
1. AOE GS
2. DPS???

Well it is a start I guess… I’d rather have the support and mobility instead though…

Horror movie monsters are typically portrayed as slow yet unstoppable. I think it’s a safe assumption that necros will be the class to gain a defiance bar for one of the grandmaster traits.

Mhh the best other traitlines for the reaper will be spite and soul reaping i guess?

Mhh if we get the defiance bar, i get the feeling it will only be in reaper mode (aka new DS). Which is probably fine, since CC was the most annoying when in DS.

OlliX.1705:

MiniEquine.6014:

Rising Dusk.2408:

It looks neat, but also so far doesn’t seem to have much in the way of team support. I’ll reserve final judgment until tomorrow, but at least the animations look neat.

I was sort of hoping they would hit allies with something so that Rune of the Trooper would work, but it appears not. Oh well.

Maybe the Trooper effect will still work on allies within the radius? We’ll have to see.

Yeah ofc :S don’t see why trooper won’t work

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Issues with current Necros:

1. No group support
2. slow casting
3. no mobility
4. no power based AOE
5. low DPS

Issues Solve by specialization:
1. AOE GS
2. DPS???

Well it is a start I guess… I’d rather have the support and mobility instead though…

Sounds like dark path is being made into a Dash, so if you have some LF it does sound like it could add to mobility. We’re also missing some abilities that haven’t been discussed at all yet.

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Thematically it looks great, mechanically I’m not so sure.

One slight concern is that if you want to spec into Reaper but not use a greatsword, the first minor trait in the spec changes all of your death shroud skills to the new melee reaper ones. Could be a bit awkward if you want to make a scepter/staff build using Reaper traits (if that’s a thing).

“The reaper’s first minor trait is called Shroud Knight, and it gives the necromancer a completely new set of melee-focused skills while in Death Shroud.”

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Easy to dodge and easy to interrupt. :\

I kittenING CALLED SHOUTS THAT DEAL DAMAGE AND SUMMON! <3

not every thing is out yet i guess, but i dont like it one bit, melee class with no freeking stab? comeon minor spin mobilty ye took u 3 year of whining hope thay rly change f1 2 to a blink or leap or smth.

shouts ye cool but no grp suport not helping necro in pve one bit, not all shouts are out yet so i rly hope we get smth from it.

waiting for more info but it whent from a 99% reroll to a 89% to new class

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

Zetsumei.4975:

Yeah ofc :S don’t see why trooper won’t work

Trooper runes specifically say they remove a condition from each affected ally… And if the Necromancer shouts affect no allies, then it will logically remove no conditions. They may change Trooper runes in anticipation of this elite spec, however, so who knows. I’ll try to ensure it gets asked during the live stream tomorrow.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Issues with current Necros:

1. No group support
2. slow casting
3. no mobility
4. no power based AOE
5. low DPS

Issues Solve by specialization:
1. AOE GS
2. DPS???

Well it is a start I guess… I’d rather have the support and mobility instead though…

Say what now?!
Low dps?! with or without weapons?
Slow casting?! Did you consider other weapons beside staff? or you want a spam-style game, possibly with skills like Ranger’s LB skill 2 without any cd?
No group support?! ofc, if you don’t wanna offer any. Otherwise, wells that clear condi, aoe heals, and the cc’s of the necro are, if I dare say so, desireable group support. You can’t give portals and Icy Bows to all classes, hm?!
No mobility… Sure! Must give them some portals?! some shadowsteps maybe? (not that it’s a properly functioning mechanic anyway) Or precisely what?!
You have speed signet, you have a tp, you have swiftness skills, you have multiple hp pools, summons, fast attacks, strong dps, strong conditions, decent group support. I don’t know what you’re smoking, but I really want some of that stuff!

I have to say that I am really impressed with the devs on this one. Everything looks very exciting and I can’t wait!

A chill based mechanic seems to me to be such a great idea. I think it has obvious pvp/wvw applications, but it has a lot of pve applications as well as far as fun herding/kiting. As I said in another thread, it you have GS as one weapon and dagger/dagger as the other weapon for the increased speed, this just seems really fun.

Xzibit Arena Net:

Sup dawg, I heard you have good AoE. So I got you more AoE on top of your AoE and shouts which do AoE so your AoE is better the more AoE you do so with new spec you’ll do even more AoE apart from your regular AoE so instead of Trash Master you’ll bd Ultimate Trash Master.

I am also worried about slow attacks, it seems like they will be slower than we have now and even now thief can blind/dodge every our relevant thing and by the time we cast a thing we can get bursted 100→0%. And hope you still can do condition build with this specialization.

Just the skill from the video made me love GS instantly
Scythe? We’ve been asking for scythe since forever, its absolutely great:D
Shouts are also awesome, I feel like a dark-side warrior Combined with Near to Death/FitG…………..
We also get some kind of wings effect upon entering the new DS, also awesome

All the complainers wait until the stream tomorrow is done. Can’t wait for more info.

Muchacho.2390:

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

One class is getting Defiance with a trait. Well… Our mechanic change is called “Shroud Knight”. So with Minor Nr. 3 defiance in DS? Possibly.

It would be a grandmaster if anything, we already know all three of our minors.

MiniEquine.6014:

Rising Dusk.2408:

It looks neat, but also so far doesn’t seem to have much in the way of team support. I’ll reserve final judgment until tomorrow, but at least the animations look neat.

I was sort of hoping they would hit allies with something so that Rune of the Trooper would work, but it appears not. Oh well.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Zetsumei.4975:

Yeah ofc :S don’t see why trooper won’t work

Trooper runes specifically say they remove a condition from each affected ally… And if the Necromancer shouts affect no allies, then it will logically remove no conditions. They may change Trooper runes in anticipation of this elite spec, however, so who knows. I’ll try to ensure it gets asked during the live stream tomorrow.

The wiki article (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Trooper) says:
“The sixth bonus activates on any shout and applies to nearby allies, regardless of who is affected by the shout, e.g. “On My Mark!” triggers the condition removal for party members even though it targets a foe."

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

One class is getting Defiance with a trait. Well… Our mechanic change is called “Shroud Knight”. So with Minor Nr. 3 defiance in DS? Possibly.

They gave us already the 3 minors and there was no defiance bare stated. So it has ether to be build in the reaper mode a mayor trait or we dont get one at all.

OlliX.1705:

The wiki article (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Trooper) says:
“The sixth bonus activates on any shout and applies to nearby allies, regardless of who is affected by the shout, e.g. “On My Mark!” triggers the condition removal for party members even though it targets a foe."

Ah, well, there you go. Shows how often I use OMM with these runes. Guess it’ll work, then!

I imagine it won’t be as nice news for conditionmancers, but I might be wrong in that. It would be a pleasant surprise if I am.

Speaking as an already chill-based power necro, though, I’m beyond excited.

Muchacho.2390:

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

One class is getting Defiance with a trait. Well… Our mechanic change is called “Shroud Knight”. So with Minor Nr. 3 defiance in DS? Possibly.

They gave us already the 3 minors and there was no defiance bare stated. So it has ether to be build in the reaper mode a mayor trait or we dont get one at all.

It could be a Grandmaster major, although i don’t get what they could make for the other two to make them worth considering.

Or the might have changed “Foot in the grave” to Defiance Bar. Kappa.

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

One class is getting Defiance with a trait. Well… Our mechanic change is called “Shroud Knight”. So with Minor Nr. 3 defiance in DS? Possibly.

They gave us already the 3 minors and there was no defiance bare stated. So it has ether to be build in the reaper mode a mayor trait or we dont get one at all.

Did they say it was all minors?
I think the only minor specifically names as such was “Shrouded Knight”. And it could be a Grandmaster major, although i don’t get what they could make for the other two to make them worth considering.

Yes they did say they are all minor^^

In before “Frostbite”: Chills deal additional damage over time, modified by power."

I’d use it.

is it too much to ask for a Necro that practices Necromancy? you know, raising the dead, minion mastery, the stuff it’s supposed to do? condis r nice, and its a niche no other class fills, but it’s not the niche i made this class to be forced into.

Muchacho.2390:

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

Shiki.7148:

Muchacho.2390:

nacario.9417:

It worries me from pvp pov that the attacks are supposedly slow, thats easy to dodge then/evade (even easier for some that relies on it)

Yeah chronomacer/mesmer will love us unless we get some more stability on the specialization…

One class is getting Defiance with a trait. Well… Our mechanic change is called “Shroud Knight”. So with Minor Nr. 3 defiance in DS? Possibly.

They gave us already the 3 minors and there was no defiance bare stated. So it has ether to be build in the reaper mode a mayor trait or we dont get one at all.

Did they say it was all minors?
I think the only minor specifically names as such was “Shrouded Knight”. And it could be a Grandmaster major, although i don’t get what they could make for the other two to make them worth considering.

Yes they did say they are all minor^^

Edited my post already X)

KaosNinja.4967:

is it too much to ask for a Necro that practices Necromancy? you know, raising the dead, minion mastery, the stuff it’s supposed to do? condis r nice, and its a niche no other class fills, but it’s not the niche i made this class to be forced into.

Didn’t you read their blog post? One of their Shouts will summon jagged horrors. Combine that with Death Nova and maybe bone minions and you could get a pretty nice “spam minion bombs” build.

They gave us a shout that raises jagged horrors but did they also fix the minion AI??

Omocha.4931:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Issues with current Necros:

1. No group support
2. slow casting
3. no mobility
4. no power based AOE
5. low DPS

Issues Solve by specialization:
1. AOE GS
2. DPS???

Well it is a start I guess… I’d rather have the support and mobility instead though…

Say what now?!
Low dps?! with or without weapons?
Slow casting?! Did you consider other weapons beside staff? or you want a spam-style game, possibly with skills like Ranger’s LB skill 2 without any cd?
No group support?! ofc, if you don’t wanna offer any. Otherwise, wells that clear condi, aoe heals, and the cc’s of the necro are, if I dare say so, desireable group support. You can’t give portals and Icy Bows to all classes, hm?!
No mobility… Sure! Must give them some portals?! some shadowsteps maybe? (not that it’s a properly functioning mechanic anyway) Or precisely what?!
You have speed signet, you have a tp, you have swiftness skills, you have multiple hp pools, summons, fast attacks, strong dps, strong conditions, decent group support. I don’t know what you’re smoking, but I really want some of that stuff!

While I agree with you on most, the support that necros are lacking is offensive support. The ability to blast or provide fire fields, the ability to grant might and/or fury to allies, unique buffs like spotter, empower allies etc. Their damage is on par with everyone else they just dont bring anything to the party that someone else already has without hindering the party ( wells overwritting firefields, 2 target cleave, fear moving stuff etc)