Guild Wars 2

Even though Moa is an elite, it shouldn’t instant kill all minions while the necro is being Moa’ed.

I don’t know if it works the same way to spirit rangers and spirit weapon guardians, or even illusions from mesmers. But I think the minions should at less come back after the effect expires. It’s just too easy to take out the pressure of a MM necro while kill it at the same time.

The devs have already stated that this is a bug and added it to the tooltips to warn people about it until they can get it fixed. Unfortunately, it is a very, very low priority fix and so far as we know, they aren’t even working on it.

A lot of us Mesmers wouldn’t mind if Moa was simply removed and replaced with something else but yeah like Drarnor said know it exists at least.

Wait seriously? I can’t think of any mesmer that’s like “you know what elite sucks, Moa. I hate free kills.”

Funnily enough, I’ve actually gotten quite a few kills on bad mesmers as an MM Necro, because they’ll get scared after a burst and Moa me when they only have like 1k HP, and I can peck them to death. Sweet, sweet payback.

Bhawb.7408:

Wait seriously? I can’t think of any mesmer that’s like “you know what elite sucks, Moa. I hate free kills.”

Funnily enough, I’ve actually gotten quite a few kills on bad mesmers as an MM Necro, because they’ll get scared after a burst and Moa me when they only have like 1k HP, and I can peck them to death. Sweet, sweet payback.

moa?hahahaha i never use that skill! i tried it in spvp before… its useless, absolutely useless. cd is wayyyy too long and the range is tiny and the casting time wayyyyy too long and in wvw its an absolute joke. soe yes anet please remove it and give us something useful.

Bhawb.7408:

Wait seriously? I can’t think of any mesmer that’s like “you know what elite sucks, Moa. I hate free kills.”

Funnily enough, I’ve actually gotten quite a few kills on bad mesmers as an MM Necro, because they’ll get scared after a burst and Moa me when they only have like 1k HP, and I can peck them to death. Sweet, sweet payback.

I would say it is about a 60/40 split of Mesmers that post on the forums that would want to see it removed because it is either really weak or because they find it gimmicky.

Gimmicky sure, but saying it is weak is just ignorant. Watch what they do with it in tPvP; you can completely destroy a bunker in seconds using Moa and burst.

Bhawb.7408:

Gimmicky sure, but saying it is weak is just ignorant. Watch what they do with it in tPvP; you can completely destroy a bunker in seconds using Moa and burst.

It is simply weak. Can be ageised, can be blocked, can be dodged, can be obstructed and has a rather long cast that if not done from stealth can be easily interrupted. I will give you that it can make a different in a small skirmish IF you can actually get it off but it is our weakest Elite. It gives the enemy the ability to run away at a rather fast pace.

When I used it before I got sick of it for being gimmicky and weak I would have to cast from stealth or knock down before trying to use it and even then it was rather easy to dodge and go onto full CD. It is a weak ability but there is already a few threads in Mesmer about this so I will stop here.

You won’t catch good PvPs off their game very often and when you do it is pure luck.

It is regularly used and lands on the highest tier of players. I’m sure it can be voided, but considering it is a 100% shutdown for a fairly long duration, that makes complete sense.

Compare that to Mass Invisibility, which is a bad Shadow Refuge. I could see it being arguable that Time Warp is better, yet I never see it used in competitive settings.

Now, I realize wvw is a completely different setting, as is PvE (where Time Warp is god), but from a PvP perspective alone, Moa is by far the most useful elite you have.

The current iteration of Moa allows for easy escapes. When I get Moa’ed, it sometimes ends up saving me because I, as a Mesmer, get a bunch of mobility that I otherwise wouldn’t have access to.

Bhawb.7408:

Now, I realize wvw is a completely different setting, as is PvE (where Time Warp is god), but from a PvP perspective alone, Moa is by far the most useful elite you have.

One more post then I stop. I totally agree with you here. It is the most useful in PvP that is one of the main reasons so many of us want to see it removed for something else because even if it is the most useful the most useful piece of crakitten till a piece of crap.

Hexxen.7216:

Bhawb.7408:

Gimmicky sure, but saying it is weak is just ignorant. Watch what they do with it in tPvP; you can completely destroy a bunker in seconds using Moa and burst.

It is simply weak. Can be ageised, can be blocked, can be dodged, can be obstructed and has a rather long cast that if not done from stealth can be easily interrupted. I will give you that it can make a different in a small skirmish IF you can actually get it off but it is our weakest Elite. It gives the enemy the ability to run away at a rather fast pace.

When I used it before I got sick of it for being gimmicky and weak I would have to cast from stealth or knock down before trying to use it and even then it was rather easy to dodge and go onto full CD. It is a weak ability but there is already a few threads in Mesmer about this so I will stop here.

You won’t catch good PvPs off their game very often and when you do it is pure luck.

necro forum here we dont have any of those things you mentioned.

You can’t dodge or use LoS?

dodge? on a necro? vs mesmer? nah, won’t happen.
LoS on what? with what?

Esplen.3940:

The current iteration of Moa allows for easy escapes. When I get Moa’ed, it sometimes ends up saving me because I, as a Mesmer, get a bunch of mobility that I otherwise wouldn’t have access to.

That is exactly what I was I was thinking. At best it makes the person run away. If the Mesmer is low on health you just stack pecking at him.

It is a good counter to Necros though. It counters DS and our transformations as well as MM builds. It is very disappointing to go from a mighty Litch to a Moa.

Honestly I’d complain more about mass invisibility if I were a Mesmer. They have you a skill with that kind of CD that does the same thing as shadow refuge, except worse?