Guild Wars 2

I’ve asked if its a bug (no answer yet) but if not, I have to say Moa should by and large definitely NOT straight up kill all Necromancer pets. It goes from hardcounter to cement wall with a gun to your face. I could understand it disabling the minion command abilities, but killing them is a bit much, as it completely screws the entire build for 24+ seconds.

As hilarious as it is to watch a minion-master panic after being morphed, I agree.

It has been said from ages, but nothing has been done.
Moa also cancel all the Necro elites, not only Minions, just saying.

Moa Form should not affect Minions, and should be stopped by Stability.

I can understand it affecting minions, especially if you’re running a minion specific build, if it didn’t affect minions you would have nothing to worry about. What I do NOT at all agree with is it putting them on full cd. No other class gets their utilities on full cd by getting moa’d, pretty sure it does the same thing to our elites. That’s not at all balanced, especially now that they nerfed moa in terms of the people getting moa’d can no longer escape very easily. I don’t think stability should block moa, since everyone uses stability, it would make that skill once again useless, but it also needs to be consistent for all classes. Either everyone goes on full cd’s or no one does. Can’t pick and choose.

I just don’t want all my pets killed. It says you cant use utilities, that’s fine, when you summon pets, they turn into other utilities. Not being able to use those when moaed, that’s totally cool with me. But them all just instantly getting wrecked? that’s broken as hell

Minions staying alive makes Moa a laughably useless elite. Oh no, you took away a little of my damage for a few seconds, whatever will I do?

I agree with Nay, they should die, but when I’m out of Moa they should be up to summon again.

Even that, I guess I’d be fine with, but that’s still not entirely true, I’m assuming you don’t play a minionmancer, but I’d love to atleast be able to resummons them.

Bhawb.7408:

Minions staying alive makes Moa a laughably useless elite. Oh no, you took away a little of my damage for a few seconds, whatever will I do?

I agree with Nay, they should die, but when I’m out of Moa they should be up to summon again.

Just for note, moa is not just a small damage drop, its 10 seconds of enemy being useless button (especially if mesmer catches you in DS causing the Shroud Moa (who cannot exit DS and only can use the first 4 skills making the necro a sitting duck).
It shouldnt overwrite transformations (nor DS) and just despawn minions, no cd*

Sure, I’m useless. But if my minions are still around, that is the majority of my DPS and survivability running around. The only thing Moa takes from me is CC and burst.

I’m not sure why that’s such a big deal? Mesmers have it good enough in pvp, I think they can deal with horrible-AI minions while shattering you in the face.

Consistency’s sake. No one else can use their utilities, and a significant use of minions is them attacking while alive. Same reason they shouldn’t go on CD, because no one else’s utilities do.

Bhawb.7408:

Consistency’s sake. No one else can use their utilities, and a significant use of minions is them attacking while alive. Same reason they shouldn’t go on CD, because no one else’s utilities do.

DA standpoint here:
Kind of a difference is you aint using your utilities, you have them ready, like mesmer mantras ranger spirits, engie turrets, etc, their true strength is is the secondary active despite the first cast giving a benefit, its to compensate for the reliablity to have it active on a secondary/primary function.

Also on that note said units also go away on moa and they shouldnt.

Do Turrets and spirits die upon Moa? That argument of “not being able to use your utilities” is flawed in that; you can’t use your abilities when downed neither, but minions stay alive then too.

ronpierce.2760:

Do Turrets and spirits die upon Moa? That argument of “not being able to use your utilities” is flawed in that; you can’t use your abilities when downed neither, but minions stay alive then too.

Hence why consistency would be nice.

Moa morph should be removed from the game, simple as that.
People whined a lot when Anet announced “fear” and how they hate losing control of their characters (and even more since they said fear would be for necros only).
Then why add a stupid skill who turn you into a worthless bird? Yes, you can move and have a special set of useless skills but you don’t chose to have them so you are still losing control of you character.
Also, I didn’t paid $60 to play as a stupid bird so no, is not only about minions or necros, it’s about everything.

Well, that’s true. Moa is pretty kittening stupid. Not to mention, I don’t entirely get how it fits mesmers as they’re illusionists, not arcanists… :S It doesn’t turn me into an illusion of a bird, it just totally kittens me. XD Correct me if I’m wrong, but pretty sure it’s a bit out of place. Staff is kind of arcanist, but that deals with more of the illusion of the mind (chaos) and the group haste is more like the “illusion of time”, so that all is justifiable. Moa just doesn’t seem to fit in my book. And I hate it, the end.

ronpierce.2760:

Well, that’s true. Moa is pretty kittening stupid. …And I hate it, the end.

That’s all there is to it. It should be removed from the game and replaced with something that is actually logical.

This skill is stupid no matter what profession you are, but as a necro it hard counters all 3 of your elites, and all of your utilities + heal as well if you are running minion master. It is garbage.

Hopefully the backing here will force ANet to take a second look at it. I don’t mind a class counter (as an MM, anything with decent aoe such as Eles and mesmers alone) they don’t bother me. But a wall counter is just not fun play, it doesn’t trigger “thought” or “interesting gameplay” it should just disconnect you from the game and say “kitten you, MM”

Bhawb.7408:

Sure, I’m useless. But if my minions are still around, that is the majority of my DPS and survivability running around. The only thing Moa takes from me is CC and burst.

…here’s a fix I have been saying forever

MOAH FORM TURNS OUR MINIONS INTO BABY MOAHS. THEY CAN NOT ATTACK AND CAN STILL TAKE DMG.

Good stuff right? Not to mention seeing a line of baby moahs behind you would be adorable.

Right now the Transformation bug (let’s face it it’s a bug and they are surely working on a low-prioriy fix, tooltip was just to at least say “Hey we know it sucks but at least you know”) is caused by skill locking. Whenever your utilities locked or changed, minions would die. They fixed it for when you entered water, they will surely fix it one day for our minions too. There is no logical reason to lose your minions when turned into a bird or transform into a powerful lich that controls minions…