Guild Wars 2

My videos are just with a particular purpose. The first one was to show my playstyle only. This one is to show that Necro can dominate 1v1s even with a spectral power-hybrid build:

Nice video mate.

You have a crazy build and I liked the refreshing music. Would you mind sharing your gear/build?

Would certainly watch more <3

AirWick.1769:

Don’t be too impressed with this if you watch carefully in his videos hes fully stacked 25 bloodlust sigil, power food / w/e oil hes using. His opponents for all parts of the video I watched were not even stacked with 25 stacks of bloodlust sure they had some had food boons. This might work on amateurs in wvw but the only way to impress people in 1v1s as a necro is in tpvp against pro’s. Where real pvpers are at.

WvW and spvp are completely different. WvW is more about staying alive, positioning and movement. Spvp you know where everyone is and builds would have to be completely different. Knocking one at the expense of the other is rather ignorant.

The thing that struck me the most about watching those fight clips is that you were able to actually get 1v1 fights in T1. Seems like every time I go out roaming looking for those 1v1s I end up running into 5+ JQ or BG.

I’m curious to see the traits & gear used in the video. Seems pretty effective.

Talentless.5708:

AirWick.1769:

Don’t be too impressed with this if you watch carefully in his videos hes fully stacked 25 bloodlust sigil, power food / w/e oil hes using. His opponents for all parts of the video I watched were not even stacked with 25 stacks of bloodlust sure they had some had food boons. This might work on amateurs in wvw but the only way to impress people in 1v1s as a necro is in tpvp against pro’s. Where real pvpers are at.

WvW and spvp are completely different. WvW is more about staying alive, positioning and movement. Spvp you know where everyone is and builds would have to be completely different. Knocking one at the expense of the other is rather ignorant.

Uh…..you do know WvW isn’t a “1v1” scenario right? This only proves that you killed someone in wvw 1v1, doesn’t prove anything about the necro as a class or you for that matter.

It doesn’t impress me simply because I could show you a warior getting 10-15k crits and that would be the end of it.
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Also how is wvw more about staying alive than spvp in your scenario? You made a 1v1 scenario, how is that any different. Hell, if you played warrior/thief it would be over in half the time lol.
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Based on your build, I’d laugh if you tried this in spvp. You’d get wrecked 1v1. Crit damage is a lot less.

-Seriously, any crit build specced right can burst the unsuspecting person down fast enough, that if they are a amatuer, it won’t matter what class you are. WvW also has a pretty noticeable level gap problem. Higher levels will usually win vs lower because of gear/traits/stats
-Yeah yeah, you get raised up to 80, cool. Try playing with starting gear/traits at 80 Yup.

Talentless.5708:

WvW and spvp are completely different. WvW is more about staying alive, positioning and movement. Spvp you know where everyone is and builds would have to be completely different. Knocking one at the expense of the other is rather ignorant.

Talentless.5708:

Talentless.5708:

WvW and spvp are completely different. WvW is more about staying alive, positioning and movement. Spvp you know where everyone is and builds would have to be completely different. Knocking one at the expense of the other is rather ignorant.

WvW and Spvp ARE completely different, 1v1 in wvw is a pointless show. I’ve seen enough warrior/theif burst videos to know that its not much of a fight. Now I’ve seen a necro burst, great, takes a lot longer with little benifit for it. You popped DS and Lich and it still takes you a good 30 seconds.

Knocking one at the expense of the other isn’t ignorant, its just stating the obvious. WvW isn’t the place where you put “1v1” vids, no one cares because the situation isn’t really competitive to begin with. If you had some sort of duel, sure. But you just ran up and unloaded. Woooo 1v1!

I wouldn’t give Empiren the time of day if I were you. he’s crazily into Rangers and Warriors as all of his post history lauds Rangers and Warriors as the absolute of this game. (He’s never been in the ranger forums I gather.)

With quotes from Empiren like this: “Odds are if a theif gets the drop on you, as a necro, you will die. If he steals after he burst you, i’m going to say its for certain.”

“You lose, thats it.”

He speaks in absolutes. I will never take him seriously. And yet he stays in the Necro forums to preach his nonsense.

Anyway, awesome video Talentless.

Talentless.5708:

AirWick.1769:

Don’t be too impressed with this if you watch carefully in his videos hes fully stacked 25 bloodlust sigil, power food / w/e oil hes using. His opponents for all parts of the video I watched were not even stacked with 25 stacks of bloodlust sure they had some had food boons. This might work on amateurs in wvw but the only way to impress people in 1v1s as a necro is in tpvp against pro’s. Where real pvpers are at.

WvW and spvp are completely different. WvW is more about staying alive, positioning and movement. Spvp you know where everyone is and builds would have to be completely different. Knocking one at the expense of the other is rather ignorant.

Doesn’t change the fact that you went fully buffed against weaker opponents, bro.

Talentless, haters are gonna hate, don’t worry. I think it’s a great video and shows how this build could work for the roamer and also knowing how to pick your fights. If most people could look beyond just boons/conditions and sigil stacks, they could probably learn a lot more from your video.

1. Life force management/Using DS offensively
2. Controlling your opponent, especially getting him to traverse your Spectral Wall as many times as possible
3. Dodging over enemy staff marks.. because you don’t take any damage or conditions from them, and they trigger anyway.
4. Kiting melee enemies like the sword/shield Warrior

No hate taken. And this video also showcases how 1v1 fights can still be won with bad and unclean play. Talentless didn’t set the bar so high with absolutely perfect play that we all think he’s an outlier and we cant play like him, these seem like pretty realistic fights. I think it’s fair to assume that there will be more imperfect fights (bad timing/positioning, NPC ressing) than perfect ones.

All the jelly garbage in this thread, anyone playing a Necro will appreciate a unique build trying something most would claim the necro fails at(1v1).

Sure you could do this much easier on an ele or mesmer, but this is the Necro forum where people come to read and see Necro things and for that purpose this video delivered.

I’m actually on my Necro right now messing about with traits and gear to try this out. The Mesmer was getting pretty boring at this stage anyway.

If you intend to make more videos, just do one unbuffed. A difference of 250 power from sigils and the minor boost from oils won’t break you when your outplaying the opponents.

I hate it when people don’t post their build along with videos
So, show it! It goes along with the video, so that we can clearly see what you’re using and so on.
Concerning the rather negative posts, well, we know sPvP and tPvP are different from WvW, get over it. I also solo roam in wvw looking for 1v1 fights and I enjoy that much more than running in a fixed area that shuts down every 15 mins. Difference in opinions does not mean something is not right!

Pros: I like the way you play with some different stuff to what most people do. Use of spectral wall is great and people running from the Godzilla Lich with jaggies chasing them is hilarious.

Cons: It’s still a WvW video where you’re mopping up scrubs.

I like the video, and don’t take this as the wrong way, but that second warrior…… I think he must be teaching classes on doing all the wrong things… He angled to walk through your wall, like he though it would BUFF him. And that kill shot….. not to mention his elite signet was up, but he waits to use it until right before he dies.

If anything this seems to highlight how effective one-spamming in lich form is against people who fail to recognize its destructive potential…. Ele could just RTL away…. and wait for it to go on CD, but instead he dances around in range…

But of course, with all WvW videos like this, its take them as they come. Certainly good use of the skills, though I was sad to see you didn’t fight a single spike class, which is what I would have liked to watch most. (a shatter mesmer or a thief). That would be the territory where I think you would have the worst time with no damaging wells, and lower burst as a result to deal with them before they break combat and heal up.

And again it amazes me how many people will just fight around the wall for no good reason…. there are spaces all around them, and they just dance around the wall with you.

Kudos though. I am sure one day I will make a video and people will critize me on how bad my opponents were. This did illustrate a high level of ability, and I would wager much much higher than any of your opponents. The question of the day might be, shouldn’t you be able to destroy them more convincinly with such a higher skill level?

Rennoko.5731:

The question of the day might be, shouldn’t you be able to destroy them more convincinly with such a higher skill level?

His build is designed to mitigate as much damage as possible and wear his opponent out over time. So, no, he shouldn’t be able to destroy people more convincingly. He’s dominating people by severely reducing their damage output and winning the cooldown war. I found it entertaining to watch, and wasn’t surprised that those guys didn’t really know how to fight back. He’s playing in a rather unusual way. Most people just try to outburst the other guy rather than outlive him.

Very cool vid.

I like the build you are using, it’s refreshing to see those utilities and weapon combos. I saw the build you mentioned in another thread. A+

Though the players you fought weren’t good. And that made some of the fights little boring to watch =(

And there are parts of the video that made me cringe, like the complete lack of dodging downstates.

Thanks for putting yourself out there though, still worth the time to watch the video, mostly for the build you use.

PinCushion.7390:

Rennoko.5731:

The question of the day might be, shouldn’t you be able to destroy them more convincinly with such a higher skill level?

His build is designed to mitigate as much damage as possible and wear his opponent out over time. So, no, he shouldn’t be able to destroy people more convincingly. He’s dominating people by severely reducing their damage output and winning the cooldown war. I found it entertaining to watch, and wasn’t surprised that those guys didn’t really know how to fight back. He’s playing in a rather unusual way. Most people just try to outburst the other guy rather than outlive him.

Very cool vid.

Uh….he’s actually a burst build.

So yeah, he should. Considering he’s just going there and unloading its not a cooldown war or war of attrittion by any means.

He is trying to outburst them actually, axe, dagger, and lich? Yeah thats necro burst.
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But hey its WvW, its not like its really a talent show. cough talentless cough

Empiren.6401:

PinCushion.7390:

Rennoko.5731:

The question of the day might be, shouldn’t you be able to destroy them more convincinly with such a higher skill level?

His build is designed to mitigate as much damage as possible and wear his opponent out over time. So, no, he shouldn’t be able to destroy people more convincingly. He’s dominating people by severely reducing their damage output and winning the cooldown war. I found it entertaining to watch, and wasn’t surprised that those guys didn’t really know how to fight back. He’s playing in a rather unusual way. Most people just try to outburst the other guy rather than outlive him.

Very cool vid.

Uh….he’s actually a burst build.

So yeah, he should. Considering he’s just going there and unloading its not a cooldown war or war of attrittion by any means.

He is trying to outburst them actually, axe, dagger, and lich? Yeah thats necro burst.
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But hey its WvW, its not like its really a talent show. cough talentless cough

Was looking at his other utilities, really. Walk, Wall, and Well of Darkness. It’s all based on mitigation. I just assumed his build was based around it. I’d think BiP or the other wells would work better for bursting.

Empiren.6401:

PinCushion.7390:

Rennoko.5731:

The question of the day might be, shouldn’t you be able to destroy them more convincinly with such a higher skill level?

His build is designed to mitigate as much damage as possible and wear his opponent out over time. So, no, he shouldn’t be able to destroy people more convincingly. He’s dominating people by severely reducing their damage output and winning the cooldown war. I found it entertaining to watch, and wasn’t surprised that those guys didn’t really know how to fight back. He’s playing in a rather unusual way. Most people just try to outburst the other guy rather than outlive him.

Very cool vid.

Uh….he’s actually a burst build.

So yeah, he should. Considering he’s just going there and unloading its not a cooldown war or war of attrittion by any means.

He is trying to outburst them actually, axe, dagger, and lich? Yeah thats necro burst.
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But hey its WvW, its not like its really a talent show. cough talentless cough

Really? Must be the first burst damage build with only 15 in Spite with triforge, lunaria and solaria accessories… lol. Please stop trolling my threads with mis-information.

I agree with the critique that the gameplay isnt “perfect”. These are fights from a single night… I am not making videos to pretend to be some Necro god and saving 500 clips to pick the best 4-5.

I thought about putting a disclaimer that Tier 1 guilds of FEAR, ICoA, Pro and Choo are terrifacebad, but then I would be accused of trolling… I dont know the Hel guld that was in there on an occassion or two.

Regardless, I appreciate the feedback both positive and negative.

why are people not giving the OP credit for the fights? they were impressive regardless what the opponents skill level were. the OP demonstrated a good level of skill regardless of whether he had 25 stacks on his power sigil

Nice fights dude Gave me some inspiration to maybe go another build. Though I see that the only condition removal is on your heal, which can lead to some problems.

Don’t give into the hate for WvW. WvW is just as competitive than spvp/tpvp in some situations.

WvWcan be mean with the amount of crit DmG people can get.

Running axe/focus and dagger/horn popping lich and DS for a single fight.

Yeah lets just say if you aren’t burst, you might as well be. The difference is minimal when you use them. Oh you specced into something else? Well besides the fact that you didn’t show that, its pretty obvious its the same intention in the end. Burst them down with power/crit, apply vulnerability if they are stupid enough to run into your wall.

Again, wvw with crit dmg being as-is, you could just show a burst build ending the fight within 5 seconds lol.

Empiren.6401:

Running axe/focus and dagger/horn popping lich and DS for a single fight.

Yeah lets just say if you aren’t burst, you might as well be. The difference is minimal when you use them. Oh you specced into something else? Well besides the fact that you didn’t show that, its pretty obvious its the same intention in the end. Burst them down with power/crit, apply vulnerability if they are stupid enough to run into your wall.

Again, wvw with crit dmg being as-is, you could just show a burst build ending the fight within 5 seconds lol.

I appreciate the bumps to this thread, but you should really return to the forums designated for your class, since you dont understand or respect the necro forum or class.

Talentless.5708:

I appreciate the bumps to this thread, but you should really return to the forums designated for your class, since you dont understand or respect the necro forum or class.

I understand necro well enough, I mained it for quite some time, I just have no respect for a class that Arenanet seems to not care about in the least.
(I mean minion ai is still broken and our conditions are pitiful.)

But hey, this is all about boosting your ego, so I apologize for not realizing the point of the thread.

Got a link to your build?

Empiren.6401:

Talentless.5708:

I appreciate the bumps to this thread, but you should really return to the forums designated for your class, since you dont understand or respect the necro forum or class.

I understand necro well enough, I mained it for quite some time, I just have no respect for a class that Arenanet seems to not care about in the least.
(I mean minion ai is still broken and our conditions are pitiful.)

But hey, this is all about boosting your ego, so I apologize for not realizing the point of the thread.

Ha! There you go. He is a troll and is just here to stroke up his Ego. Again, he speaks in absolutes and assume he knows everything.

DarkniteJ.8053:

Empiren.6401:

Talentless.5708:

I appreciate the bumps to this thread, but you should really return to the forums designated for your class, since you dont understand or respect the necro forum or class.

I understand necro well enough, I mained it for quite some time, I just have no respect for a class that Arenanet seems to not care about in the least.
(I mean minion ai is still broken and our conditions are pitiful.)

But hey, this is all about boosting your ego, so I apologize for not realizing the point of the thread.

Ha! There you go. He is a troll and is just here to stroke up his Ego. Again, he speaks in absolutes and assume he knows everything.

This is where those English lessons would come in handy.

Boosting your ego.

His ego, not mine in that context. Thanks a bunch!
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And absolutes? Really? You are still going on about that?

Very interesting build and pretty sure I’ve mixed up my build with of your advice. But as others have said I’de like to see how you fight against some good burst mesmers and thieves, it would help me greatly.

Could you also break down your use for well of darkness over spectral grasp (other than it sort of sucking). I have a few ideas of where it would excel, but I’de like to hear anyways.

Monoman.2068:

Very interesting build and pretty sure I’ve mixed up my build with of your advice. But as others have said I’de like to see how you fight against some good burst mesmers and thieves, it would help me greatly.

Could you also break down your use for well of darkness over spectral grasp (other than it sort of sucking). I have a few ideas of where it would excel, but I’de like to hear anyways.

I use well of darkness because I have my Curses trait to chill upon blind. Since I need 20Curses for my spectral attunement, the chill when blind trait is better than terror when you’re not using staff as main or backup.

The well of darkness is also key to killing burst thieves. Shatter Mesmers are my weakpoint when not playing with a staff handy. That said, removal of stealth/culling will make my most difficult opponent far easier.

Talentless.5708:

I use well of darkness because I have my Curses trait to chill upon blind. Since I need 20Curses for my spectral attunement, the chill when blind trait is better than terror when you’re not using staff as main or backup.

The well of darkness is also key to killing burst thieves. Shatter Mesmers are my weakpoint when not playing with a staff handy. That said, removal of stealth/culling will make my most difficult opponent far easier.

I completely forgot about chill upon blind which is funny because at one point I was only able to kill thieves because of well of darkness. I’ll have to try it because I’ve been using weakening shroud which fails against most of the classes which force me into death shroud to begin with.

I can’t believe there is so much hate on the video. I think Talentless did very well in those fights. ^^

I got to say though you were lucky and didn’t get caught in the open by 2 or 3 guys at once. If you did it would be very hard to escape. That’s the only reason why I personally don’t like roaming in wvw. It is hard to disengage as a necro.

Hmm. I think I just learned what I’m missing in trying to translate this build to sPvP for myself. Outside the fact I have no idea what I’m doing in combat outside of pressing buttons to make something hopefully happen.

Oh and don’t post on the official forums Talentless. 1 gold please.

Empiren.6401:

DarkniteJ.8053:

Empiren.6401:

Talentless.5708:

I appreciate the bumps to this thread, but you should really return to the forums designated for your class, since you dont understand or respect the necro forum or class.

I understand necro well enough, I mained it for quite some time, I just have no respect for a class that Arenanet seems to not care about in the least.
(I mean minion ai is still broken and our conditions are pitiful.)

But hey, this is all about boosting your ego, so I apologize for not realizing the point of the thread.

Ha! There you go. He is a troll and is just here to stroke up his Ego. Again, he speaks in absolutes and assume he knows everything.

This is where those English lessons would come in handy.

Boosting your ego.

His ego, not mine in that context. Thanks a bunch!
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And absolutes? Really? You are still going on about that?

Ha! Classic troll, if you get defeated you attack the person’s grammar. I get the feeling I’m talking to a 12 year old here.

Lich Form sure is terrifying with a Power/Precision/Crit Damage build

Jesus H Christ on a pogostick!

Oglaf.1074:

Lich Form sure is terrifying with a Power/Precision/Crit Damage build

Jesus H Christ on a pogostick!

You should see it in that build then. Mine is more of a hybrid build. Explained in the BoC podcast. I view gear as a grocery store… I’m not gonna buy pizza for glass cannon regardless of the cost and I’m not gonna buy milk for bunker regardless for the cost. I’m gonna buy what’s on-sale to give me a well-rounded char.

CHIPS.6018:

I can’t believe there is so much hate on the video. I think Talentless did very well in those fights. ^^

I got to say though you were lucky and didn’t get caught in the open by 2 or 3 guys at once. If you did it would be very hard to escape. That’s the only reason why I personally don’t like roaming in wvw. It is hard to disengage as a necro.

There is one fight where the adds come as you warn, but fortunately two were uplevels and wanted nothing to do with me and then one of the chasers backed off allowing me to engage. You saw how spectral walk is vital to escape at one point as well.

With that said… you still get zerged down a bit. Maybe my next video should be almost 1v1s lol.

Talentless.5708:

Oglaf.1074:

Lich Form sure is terrifying with a Power/Precision/Crit Damage build

Jesus H Christ on a pogostick!

You should see it in that build then. Mine is more of a hybrid build. Explained in the BoC podcast. I view gear as a grocery store… I’m not gonna buy pizza for glass cannon regardless of the cost and I’m not gonna buy milk for bunker regardless for the cost. I’m gonna buy what’s on-sale to give me a well-rounded char.

Regardless, that’s some damage. Necromancer has the only Transform(s) worth using.

Oglaf.1074:

Talentless.5708:

Oglaf.1074:

Lich Form sure is terrifying with a Power/Precision/Crit Damage build

Jesus H Christ on a pogostick!

You should see it in that build then. Mine is more of a hybrid build. Explained in the BoC podcast. I view gear as a grocery store… I’m not gonna buy pizza for glass cannon regardless of the cost and I’m not gonna buy milk for bunker regardless for the cost. I’m gonna buy what’s on-sale to give me a well-rounded char.

Regardless, that’s some damage. Necromancer has the only Transform(s) worth using.

While I won’t argue with the Lich tranform being powerful, the reason it and cloud are used so much are because we don’t have any other options outside of racials. If you don’t like pets you avoid fleshy.

I am pretty sure it we had a signet that gave us 5 might, fury, and swiftness for 30 seconds, most people would take that hands down. Lich would still be good, but as has been mentioned dozens of times, being big/green/ugly and getting a massive dragon-size target on your face isn’t fun in any sort of group play. Auto attacks for 3-5k are nice, though it does feel like more of an “I WIN” button, seeing as how just spamming the 1 ability doesn’t feel skillful. Sort of reminds me of “222222222” thieves.

All too true I guess. But still, better to be stuck between Flesh Golem and Lich Form than Flesh Golem and Rampage!

Oglaf.1074:

All too true I guess. But still, better to be stuck between Flesh Golem and Lich Form than Flesh Golem and Rampage!

No argument. The entire concept of transformations (not including DS, because of how it works with the extra HP bar), seems poorly thought out.

Extra damage/life/defense? Nice

Loss of all utilities, healing, class mechanic skills….. Not Nice

Sorry for the double post, but after watching this again (mainly because I like the music), I noticed that the lich form 1 ability seems to be casting behind you during the fight with the elementalist.

Does that skill not require facing? It looks like I could be running away from someone spamming lich 1 and hitting them?

Rennoko.5731:

Oglaf.1074:

All too true I guess. But still, better to be stuck between Flesh Golem and Lich Form than Flesh Golem and Rampage!

No argument. The entire concept of transformations (not including DS, because of how it works with the extra HP bar), seems poorly thought out.

Extra damage/life/defense? Nice

Loss of all utilities, healing, class mechanic skills….. Not Nice

Especially the loss of your Healing skill.

That one hurts the most.

Rennoko.5731:

Sorry for the double post, but after watching this again (mainly because I like the music), I noticed that the lich form 1 ability seems to be casting behind you during the fight with the elementalist.

Does that skill not require facing? It looks like I could be running away from someone spamming lich 1 and hitting them?

Yes.

Rennoko.5731:

Oglaf.1074:

Talentless.5708:

Oglaf.1074:

Lich Form sure is terrifying with a Power/Precision/Crit Damage build

Jesus H Christ on a pogostick!

You should see it in that build then. Mine is more of a hybrid build. Explained in the BoC podcast. I view gear as a grocery store… I’m not gonna buy pizza for glass cannon regardless of the cost and I’m not gonna buy milk for bunker regardless for the cost. I’m gonna buy what’s on-sale to give me a well-rounded char.

Regardless, that’s some damage. Necromancer has the only Transform(s) worth using.

While I won’t argue with the Lich tranform being powerful, the reason it and cloud are used so much are because we don’t have any other options outside of racials. If you don’t like pets you avoid fleshy.

I am pretty sure it we had a signet that gave us 5 might, fury, and swiftness for 30 seconds, most people would take that hands down. Lich would still be good, but as has been mentioned dozens of times, being big/green/ugly and getting a massive dragon-size target on your face isn’t fun in any sort of group play. Auto attacks for 3-5k are nice, though it does feel like more of an “I WIN” button, seeing as how just spamming the 1 ability doesn’t feel skillful. Sort of reminds me of “222222222” thieves.

Critique is dead on… I like to blow up some of my utilities before using lich form because getting my jagged horrors up and spamming #1 is kinda boring.

Just a quick comment

Complaining about a video having a level gap problem is pretty silly, when you can tell who is level 80, and who isn’t in the video.

What do you think that Green Up Arrow means..