Guild Wars 2

Is there a way to really prevent others to think that necros are just useless? I’ve been playing in a lots of dungeon these days and about 80% of the run if there’s something went wrong all the blame will be on necros ;(. Which will then lead to unreasonable kicking us necros from the party. Because of that i can’t even get my desired token weapon after days of tries to do the dungeon. Is it a wrong choice to be a necromancer ?
I just want to make sure, because i will be making myself some ascended armor and weapons which will be a heavy investment for me, i need to convince my self that is worth it to do so. I don’t want to end up a full ascended and regret.

I hope fellow necros can share their experience with me that can prevent yourself being kicked unreasonably, thanks.

Use another character for PvE.

Maybe it will be like in gw1. In prophecies nobody wanted to use a minion master, but after the faction mission vizunah square, everybody used one or two minion masters in their group ;p

So i got my guild to be ok with me being necro by just bringing my necro on runs and not sucking at it. If i bring my ele or phalanx it still goes faster, but it doesnt go TERRIBLY. They still hate pug necros though because people do weird things like bring condi builds to dungeons, or use staff 5 while stacking in fractals :|

I cant tell you how to make people WANT a necro. I can tell you how to make people not HATE your necro.

Stack, use dagger, use your damage wells. If you’re in a dungeon where you need blinds for trash pulls, bring ur blind well instead of your signet. Make yourself somewhat useful. Dont fear things. Dont range unless you have to. Stack and burn like the rest of the classes. Bring power not condi. Dont bring minions either. In dungons there are 4 good utilites: well of power/darkness/corruption and signet of spite. Sometimes your flesh golem is useful as a meat shield, but you have to know when and how to use it.

You still wont be wanted, but atleast you dont make yourself a pain :\

Darwec.3784:

So i got my guild to be ok with me being necro by just bringing my necro on runs and not sucking at it. If i bring my ele or phalanx it still goes faster, but it doesnt go TERRIBLY. They still hate pug necros though because people do weird things like bring condi builds to dungeons, or use staff 5 while stacking in fractals :|

I cant tell you how to make people WANT a necro. I can tell you how to make people not HATE your necro.

Stack, use dagger, use your damage wells. If you’re in a dungeon where you need blinds for trash pulls, bring ur blind well instead of your signet. Make yourself somewhat useful. Dont fear things. Dont range unless you have to. Stack and burn like the rest of the classes. Bring power not condi. Dont bring minions either. In dungons there are 4 good utilites: well of power/darkness/corruption and signet of spite. Sometimes your flesh golem is useful as a meat shield, but you have to know when and how to use it.

You still wont be wanted, but atleast you dont make yourself a pain :\

I understand what you mean, i am running 2 different build depends on the situation, a minion build and a vampire well+zerk build. My minion build can deal up to average damage while tanking. My vampire build can hit up to 3~4k for each strike of dagger. I think my builds is not major of the problem, but people just wanted to hate necros for a reason which makes me frustrating to play with. While i can’t find other class to like more than my necro, changing profession won’t be an option for me i think.

Idk, pugging is weird. Try to find a guild who treats you well. Once you can prove to people that you’re good at your class they’re usually pretty nice about it.

Depends on player and build IMO. All classes are valid in a dungeon but there are obviously some that are better suited than others.

I’ve run my Zerker Power Necro in loads of dungeon runs where my team has failed due to bad Warrior players.

Necromancer is pretty sub-par for dungeons since we don’t bring any good utility or party buffs. This is a reason for a lot of the necro discrimination.

If you use minions in dungeons chances are your minions will mess up positioning of mobs, use the damaging wells instead to prevent this. Generally just follow what Darwec said.

Dagger and fullzerk, and try to get to your full dps potential through traits.

You will be better off getting ascended gear for another profession, not gonna lie. I made full ascended zerk gear for my necro, but that does not suddenly make me super useful in a party setting sadly. When the expansion comes this might change.

I don’t regret getting full ascended on my necro. It’s still my favourite class to play, and I very much consider it my main so it would be weird for me to not max my gear.

KiraChen.7963:

Is there a way to really prevent others to think that necros are just useless? I’ve been playing in a lots of dungeon these days and about 80% of the run if there’s something went wrong all the blame will be on necros ;(. Which will then lead to unreasonable kicking us necros from the party. Because of that i can’t even get my desired token weapon after days of tries to do the dungeon. Is it a wrong choice to be a necromancer ?
I just want to make sure, because i will be making myself some ascended armor and weapons which will be a heavy investment for me, i need to convince my self that is worth it to do so. I don’t want to end up a full ascended and regret.

I hope fellow necros can share their experience with me that can prevent yourself being kicked unreasonably, thanks.

well, i’ve never been kicked for being a necro. People will tolerate you if you don’t screw up too much.

But playing pve necro is frustrating. It’s like playing basketball with Jordan, James, Bird and Chamberlain in the same team. At first it might seem cool, but you are not gonna see the ball during all the match. I’m sorry for my necro but i want to be Jordan, not the guy who brings the water, except he forgets the water and doesnt bring anything…

On top of that, most people have played necros by now and they’ve all figured out how useful we are…. when not in dungeons….

yesterday, we had a necro in the party and were looking for 2 more people for Ascalon Catacombs. We completed the first path being just 3, because nobody would join the party with a Necro.

Still, i put all my agony resistance on the trinkets, a focus, a GS and a dagger. This way, i can go to lvl 50 fractal with either my elementalist, my guardian (has one ascended chest piece, lucky drop), or my necro when the reaper comes out.

Good luck bro!

Lots of people want to speed run stuff but don’t understand the damage rotation of the zerker meta that they’re trying to imitate. Many who run zerker gear don’t even know how to survive in it which leads to bad groups. Necromancer isn’t bad for general dungeon runs, except for Arah. Arah seems to be specifically designed to screw over all the necromancer’s defenses regardless if you’re taking full sentinels or zerker.

I’d suggest finding a friendly guild who would be willing to run the dungeon with you. Especially if you don’t want to cheese it.

is PvE really that poorly made in this game? i have not really paid much attention to it yet. been mostly focused on PvP.. but if i understand it right Dungeons are all about stacking buffs/players and abusing mechanics. is that supposed to be fun?

There’s more to dungeons then that, and as always… It’s up to the player, some people find dungeons more fun and some people rather pvp. I personally have little interest in pvp, I did enough hardcore pvp in other MMOs.

Back on topic! In the average dungeon It really doesn’t matter, dungeons can be easily done EVEN in speedruns with a Necro without losing any real time. Unless your doing record speedruns, It DOESN’T matter. Some people are just elitists and always will be, every MMO has them.

The only real way to get rid of this problem is to give us some group utility or some reason to be in the meta, until then… Join a Guild, find nice people to run premade groups with. If you plan to stick with pugging, avoid elitist groups.

Comus.7365:

is PvE really that poorly made in this game? i have not really paid much attention to it yet. been mostly focused on PvP.. but if i understand it right Dungeons are all about stacking buffs/players and abusing mechanics. is that supposed to be fun?

It’s a bit of bad design and human mentality. The Necro by design/theme isn’t supposed to be very supportive. It causes problems for people who want or expect that every person in a group will provide THEM with DIRECT support (Might/Fury/Stat buffs ect). Necro can provide good vulnerability but some times people are blind to stuff like that because it isn’t a buff that’s landed on their character.

I play a Phalanx/Banner Regen Warrior/Spotter Ranger/Zerker Necro. That is the order from most group support down to least. In a same group I can tell the difference between not being on my Warrior to having him there. My Ranger is packing heat and melts face. My Necro is good but not great, if others fail I generally can survive the situation and carry on but if I had just brought my Warrior no one would have wiped.

So that’s down to the players/build really. I’m not into speed runs and uber efficiency so disregard that from what I’m talking about. I play to get things and have fun. Being nit picky about everyone and everything is for work not a game IMO.

Comus.7365:

is PvE really that poorly made in this game? i have not really paid much attention to it yet. been mostly focused on PvP.. but if i understand it right Dungeons are all about stacking buffs/players and abusing mechanics. is that supposed to be fun?

yes. thats what it is in every other mmo too. Its not that the dungeons are that terrible. If you do the mechanics they can be “fun.” But the player base is a bunch of mmo players. In every other mmo, you stack, use buffs and burn as hard as you can. Doing mechanics only happens if you’re forced into it.

As for necros and the zerker meta, nercros fit fine into the DPS meta if you understand it and if you understand how all the dungeons work.

Let me give examples of what ive seen other necros do that clearly does not work:
Dont bring condis to dungeons. That just makes no sense.
Dont use axe unless you’re forced to go range. Its a sub par weapon. Only go range if you really have to.
Dont camp Death Shroud. Death shroud is significantly less damage than dagger.
Dont bring signet of locust. If you’re not using wells + signet of spite, you’re doing less than optimal damage.
Know when to use well of darkness. There are lots of places, like in TA or in the Hammer Fractal, where blinds are super important.
For the love of god, dont fear things. There are so many necros that use staff fear or the 3 in Death shroud. If you ever fear something in a dungeon for any reason other than to remove defiance stacks, you SHOULD get kicked.
Stack on the group, this is impossible not to do if you’re on dagger. But if you’re in lich, or if you decided to bring axe anyways, you STILL should be stacked up on the boss. Often times being range screws up aggro. If the target is moving around you’re going to screw everyone elses rotation.

The problem is that i see a lot of necros in dungeons who i pug with range. I see them try to run condi because necro is seen as the condition class. I see them try to bring staff for utility, or run minion mancer in dungeons. And there are just so many BAD dungeon necro builds, and only one-ish semi acceptable build. It needs to be understood that the necro wvw/pvp builds just do not translate to PVE at all. Even if necros are a selfish dps, as long as they are doing OPTIMAL damage for their class thats ok, runs wont slow down too much and people wont get too upset. The problem is when you bring a necro build that doesnt fit with the other meta classes. And there are too many necros who do that.

Dont get me wrong. I am not at all saying that necros are balanced. Their DPS is lower than every other class and they provide no utility. But there are still just some terrible necros out there, mostly because most people dont know how to build a necro for dungeons since its so rarely played.

In Fractals I’ve never had an issue with being a necro. A lot of people actually were happy I was there for the mobs (My experience also helps tbf and my willingness to change uts around depending on the situation)

I wouldnt say its PvE thats the problem. Its necro that is badly designed. PvE definitely has its problems. Its simplistic and easy and doesnt use a lot of aspects of the game that could create more variation. But it wasnt a problem when things were new. Its just weve had 3 years to refine tactics on the same content.

When you have a single class that lacks meaningful group interaction, damage and active defence you are obviously going to see problems and exclusion in instanced content. Its the same old content weve always had. People want to get things done relatively efficiently so they are going to pick the best compositions and tactics to do that. And seeing as a necro cant really save a group because they lack any meaningful support apart from a few long cooldown AOE blinds. They are the first to be kicked when things go wrong.

Well to be fair, Necro has the best access to Chill and when the Reaper comes out even more so. Well of Darkness + Plague is a good source of AoE Blind + Chill. Sure Chill is not usefull in every single Engagement but it is the best Condition to keep strong Melee Champions/Bosses away from your Team, because it is not blocked by Defiance unlike Stun and Daze. It even increases their Cooldowns.