Guild Wars 2

Hiya

Whilst not new to the game, I am new to the class and very new to PvP. But now I have discovered PvP, I love it, and I love the potential of the Necro too.

My trouble is, I don’t know what the best build is, for team based play. I have started by just running around with tonnes of minions, but that seems to generate a lot of hatred, both from people I kill and from people on my own team. Not sure why, but I guess there’s a sense that little skill is required. Don’t know.

Anyway, from what I have read here and elsewhere, I either need to be going full power or hybrid. My instinct tells me to go hybrid, since I can support with condi and take points with crit, but I don’t know.

Any advice would be much appreciated – I don’t expect a build from you, but just your suggestions about which avenue to take would be really helpful.

Many thanks.

A scrub.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRBIhdG1IHNF3WdjtNs3mgXokOAOgUAqzk6y4LuXA-TFSGABAcSAiTTASK/QTvQAPBApUCSo6Pos/AA-w

This is the build i use, its power might/ vuln build that tanks hard. switch fear for knights ammy. if you want hybrid go watch nem on youtube. he’s the master of hybrid lol well builds are very effective also because of capture points. when i play i mainly bunker home or bunker mid. you can be a decap but others do that better, i feel bunker sits nice with me lol

Thanks Mystogan.

I’ve tried looking for ‘nem’ – cant find him. Does he have a fuller name? I’ll try your build out tonight and see if I survive!

What exactly are you looking to do? Hotjoin? Solo queue? Team?

Do you have a preference to power or condi? You’ll get more specific answers depending on what your biggest interests are. There are a wide variety of builds but some excel more in certain arenas than others.

OK.

I am looking to get into a team. I like staff skills on the necro, and I like axe/dagger skills. That’s why I was thinking hybrid. I am new-ish to pvp, so i dont want to go glass canon because I am not good enough to sustain myself and be useful. I’m not sure what else I should/can say

Look at the vid in my signature. It’s a full-blown power necro that excels at 1v1. In team fights you gotta stay on the sides and use DS 5/4 and your staff skills. In 1v1 necros aren’t really that squishy because of DS So in total you will have around 40k health. And just a quick question, what class did you play before necro?

Esus.2538:

Thanks Mystogan.

I’ve tried looking for ‘nem’ – cant find him. Does he have a fuller name? I’ll try your build out tonight and see if I survive!

He means nemesis, a really popular necromancer on YouTube.

Thank you for clarifying, I’ll take a look.

I played d/d ele before, so kinda different!

Just a quick warning it’s going to feel extremely clunky and slow switching to the necro, your going to spend a lot more time just pressing 1 than you did on d/D ele where you pretty much only did that with lightning whip.

Let’s start with the current flavor PvP Condition Damage Necromancer: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAnYWjc0UebvN+0webCchC6DIAi2I/gJgy2YMA-TphCwAYOCALeAAV3fYbZAAnAgKHCAA

You may swap the axe with scepter, but the axe is simply there for 2 reasons, regen lifeforce fast with axe 2 and strip some more boons with 3.

What it does: Tons of damage. Stay out of major brawls, skim along the sides and stack conditions on whoever is unlucky enough to draw your attention. Keep reapers mark up at all times for emergencies like shadow refuge and charging warriors.

How you play it: You stay out of major brawls, tagging people as you pass with conditions. Terror does a billion damage per proc, so that is your primary goal, strip stability, make sure to stack conditions and fear lock them. Make sure to proc dhuumfire once they run fearing you, for maximum damage and rage in the opponents team. Works the same in a 1v1 as in a 1v2 as in a XvX, kite, stack, win.

What you need to watch out for: Stability. Stability and invulnerability (say Berserker’s stance, Rampage as one, Renewed Focus) are your primary enemies. If you see someone putting all the stances up, disengage, wait for them to run out, call your teammates and go somewhere else. With axe & corrupt boon you have a decent boon removal. You may switch the wall with epidemic if you want, it’s fine too.

What I am currently playing: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakjmybrpx2GOcTgLUQ+mBQ0fwJkvU2GnBA-TpBBwAVeAAAOCAgOBA12focZgAHCAA

You can use axe instead of dagger, but that is a major dps loss.

What it does: Kill about anything rather quickly. I love the DPS while still being tanky as a warrior.

How you play it: Go for the squishees, aka Casters, let the warriors and guardians blow their stability and stances while you rip apart the backline. Piercing blast gives you a good chance of dealing attrocious damage while still tanking and kiting. Make sure to constantly strip boons. Lifeblast gives you a good amount of might, but if you want to win, keep stripping other peoples might. Root enemies with dark path and lay out the well of corruption, constantly convert with path of corruption and corrupt boon. If you find a good opportunity, pop lich form. Make sure that everyone is busy, or its a 1v1. I primarily use it to burst down people coming in for close, even in a 1v2, chances are, that lich form auto will kill them before they land a single skill. Don’t pop it vs necros, just kit them over and over with dagger and shroud. Well of corruption, locust swarm and spectral armor activated, switch into shroud, enjoy invincibility.

What you need to watch out for: Conditions classes. Cleansing on that build is not awesome, you have 1 transfer and 1 complete cleanse. That’s enough for me, hide in shroud until your heal is back up. Another problem, as with any necromancer build, are heavy cc classes. Any class except necromancer will have atleast some problem stripping the lich stability (watch out for boon rip shatter mesmers). Use it against warriors and guardians. Projectile reflection can be a problem if you are smart enough to pop lich while someone is reflecting. Enjoy your own damage. Stay in melee range, to disengage, switch to shroud and hammer with lifeblast.

Esus.2538:

Thanks Mystogan.

I’ve tried looking for ‘nem’ – cant find him. Does he have a fuller name? I’ll try your build out tonight and see if I survive!

The best hybrid I’ve ever seen,

This is nemesis, this guide is great it is post patch but most of what he says is still applicable. he said he’s going to update his builds eventually but he recently got hacked like a month ago he got rolled back to a previous save state but he got his chars back n stuff not sure if he’s still in to gw2 or moved on to eso or something

Esus.2538:

OK.

I am looking to get into a team. I like staff skills on the necro, and I like axe/dagger skills. That’s why I was thinking hybrid. I am new-ish to pvp, so i dont want to go glass canon because I am not good enough to sustain myself and be useful. I’m not sure what else I should/can say

jsyk a lot of hybrids focus a lot on applying conditions with medium condi dmg while having low-meduim direct dmg its jet that the combo of the two overwhelms most people because they can block both dmg types most of the time

Thanks for all the replies guys – psygate – thanks for such a detailed guide. I will try.

OK – so I watched Nemesis’ video. It looks like an incredible build, but he uses it in PvE. I say this only because whereas he is able (somehow) to get his condi duration up to 70%, I can get nowhere near this in PvP. I’m assuming he gets this stat (as well as many others) from his accessories, because I have the same armour and runes as him and I am at 30 per cent only in PvP. I have to switch in PvP to runes of Lyssa or Nightmare to get to 45%, still a long way off him. But for this build to work (stacking bleeds), obviously you need to make those stacks last as long as possible. I cant get near that in PvP, so I wonder whether it is a viable build. Forgive me if I haven’t understood.

The other thing about it is that there does not seem to be a stun breaker or condi cleanser. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks again.

Esus.2538:

I cant get near that in PvP, so I wonder whether it is a viable build.

No, it’s a PvE build, it won’t work in PvP.

Im at work atm nem doesnt pvp much but i could help craft somethin for pvp imo condi duration isnt that important 50% condi duration on a 3 sec bleed is 4. 1/2 secs which isnt much more. It basically relies on the crit tree with inc dmg to bleeding foes n stuff like that so focus on bleeds but also through in direct dmg, best way is either 4/6/4/0/0 or something like that

Try the 6/4/0/0/4 dhuum terror build with rampagers nightmare runes scepter dagger staff bleed sigils and energy or don’t bother with the energy and put more bleed ones on use at least plague signet and corrupt boon as utils elite and other utilit is up to you but I like spectral wall, consume conditions as your heal. You are kind of glassy and might struggle a but with life force generation if you don’t use your scepter 3 well. If played well you can be extreme dangerous.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAW7Yjc0UebvNe2webCchC6DIAi2I/gJgytYMA-TJRFwAAuIAK3fIxTAwaZAA

OK i just got home and crafted a build.. this is probably as hybrid as it gets: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAnYGjc00YbnNs3moWQkt4NIjEI2SnA-TpRFwAAOBA42f4xhAAyRAowDA4ZZAA

Weapons:
I remember you said you like axe/dagger and staff so there you go

utilities:
Consume condition
cc is the best heal… clears a llllll condis.
Spite signet
i usually don’t like sigs for pvp, but the spite sig goes well with Curses 25. when you pop this sig, it steroids you so hard. 5 condis on the enmy= 10% damage from curses 25, then you have the 5 vuln stacks which is 5% more dmg. To top it off you have the Spite IV which gives you 3 stacks of might. in total thats 15% damage + 105 pow and
condition dmg which you use both, for 12 secs.

Plauge sig:
first thing its a stun breaker. second this gives you team support along with your staff.
also you can create nasty combos with this and curse 25. say you get condi bombed with bleed burn chill vuln…. throw those right back at them and you will nuke them to hell.

Last slot is free… good choices would be:
-spectral armor: direct dmg control/ ds build up
-blood is power: another steriod
-well of power: good for team play and countering condi
- corrupt boon: hard cc. this move is unblock able and it CAN REMOVE STABILITY
-spectral walk: mobility

elite is golem, you have to much going on in this build to just up and switch forms. you’ll do better in normal form with little buddy.

traits:
Spite-
10: reduced cd on sigs 3 might on sig use
20: reduced cd on axe axe hits like a yeti
Curses:
10: cc upon going in to ds. amazing with curse 25 and good all round
20: crits can grant lf
Death magic:
10: staff cdd reduced
20: some counter lockdown stuffs

runes/sigils:
A/D
since this is hybrid build.. more vuln to increase direct dmg. an auto from axe should apply 3 stacks of vuln and 1 stack of bleeding.

Staff:
This is more for defense and range. use purity to get off condis and boon removal too. staff is a great utility and with the runes its your go to weapon for running boon rip condi remove

Runes of undead:
This just beefs up your tough and gives more condi

Key points. looking at the build a lot relies on curse 25. on top of that, death magic 25 is jet as important for the hybrid. the celestial gives power and toughness, and with DM 25 you get more power from that. and same with the runes. you get power on the toughness gained.
You can take away DM 25 if you want but if you look the only other vailed choice is to put it in curses and get withering precision. DM 25 gives about 170 pow from the converted toughness. and actually if you want more, you can pick up dark armor in DM which grants 400 tough while channeling. this means your Axe 2 will hit harder if they have fixed the bug that is.

DS:
Go in to ds whenever you need some direct dmg defense or mitigation. do not stay in it to long or you will lose your effectiveness of the build. ds is for defense, and possibly chasing. pop ds near an enemy blow all ur cd and go back to normal.

I tried as best as i could to get a little of everything in the build. you have condi-ds-power-crit-decent hp and tough- LF regen- condi remove- boon remove- cc-teamplay. the only place you don’t want this build is in pve =] it would do well but not as well as a full power build or a vuln might build

if you have any question jst ask. since your new to the class some of the abbreviations might be new if you don’t know ask away!

ps the build above mine is more of a terror mancer with a little power.

jst tested that build i posted. its sooooo good don’t rely on axe for dmg btw keep that spite sig going and your good

Mystogan, thanks for doing all of this – making, testing and writing up the build. Much more than I could ever have expected. A lot of the terms are a little unclear but I will ok them up and see what’s what. I think the hardest thing about necro are the abilities to strip boons and reverse conditions, because they have to be timed just right, and I’;m not sure when the right time is…I guess when I am loaded with conditions, which means having to constantly keep an eye out on the flashing icons at the bottom of the screen!> That’s hard in the middle of a fight. With d/d ele, you just hit them as hard as you can constantly, and try and hang on. This feels much more like a war of attrition, and getting the balance right between using condi and crit on the one hand, and using strange and wonderful skills like consume conditions is going to be really hard.

Also, he just feels a lot slower than the ele, and this isn’t helped by not having a speed buff anywhere, unless I wither stick a sigil of the locust (?) on or use horn.

Anyway, thanks again. Will try it out on some test dummies before going in to a PvP match.

Is there a particular rotation that I need to use with this build, as in staff skills to axe for vulnerability to signets to reverse conditions, to ds for defence? It seems a lot less structured that an ele rotation, but that’s because I’m not sure how to play necro yet!

Esus.2538:

Also, he just feels a lot slower than the ele, and this isn’t helped by not having a speed buff anywhere, unless I wither stick a sigil of the locust (?) on or use horn.

You might wanna take a look at this.
Pack runes + 4 in Death Magic + Locust Swarm alone gives you up to 90% swiftness uptime, combined with other sources I often get it stacked over 1 min.

So since i made the build u need to know a bit about me. Builds I use or post are usually COUNTER builds or balenced builds meaning they hold their own or at least have a chance against all builds in the game. I do not like the idea of only being useful in some situations and i find it quite pointless to make extremely narrow builds unless its pve or a special coordinated build with a group in wvw

Utility wise FOR ME its counter based. Plague sig when you get bombed and if you use corrupt boon watch for boons. Sig of spite you use when you want some burst, or you can use it defensively if you want to blind them. Offence is better for spite sig. I like to run 1 condi counter 1 direct counter/boon counter and 1 anything i want

DS—You want to be in ds 30% ish if the time go in ds when you are near an enemy for curse 10 proc. either save fear for clutch moments( interrupt skills revives ect) or use it for control jst to gain some vantage. Use tainted shackles as you enter ds and stay on the enemy. Then follow up with the life steal (4) for some damage. You can use dark path for gap closing or more condis for dmg. After that you can either hit a few life blasts but not to many.
PS- ds is ourdmg mitigation, if your stalling to hold a point sit in it.

Tips:
-While in ds your cooldowns from weaps utilities heals all still tick. Try blowing all ur regular cds before hitting ds. Especially the heal.

-Pvp situation. Bunking home: kite until your cooldowns are all ticking. Pop heal IF health not full. Pop ds and stsy in max 25 secs for cds to come back and rotate that way.

-Another situation u come across a nade engi. Watch the engis boons build up. Let them tick while dodging and autoing or use axe 2. When condis build up on you. Corrupt boon on the engi to grsnt ur self poison And convert enemy boons, pop both sigs. Sibce you have condis on you they will be thrown st the engi and stacked with the corrupt boons. Then you stack more with spite sig. To ensure he does not heal quickly pop ds and hit 3 for fear and continue to pressure with autos and tainted shackle. If he lives jump out of ds switch to staff and spam marks if hes not dead he will be limping away.

-Alot of what you do depends on your enemy. They have boons? Corrupt boon, staff autos for sigil proc, axe 3 for boon rip. They have condi bomb? Staff 4 ON yourself AND enemy, dagger OH 4 plague sig

-You need to know where your defensive moves are and when to use them. You will get use to it, you will lesrn what tto do in specific situations once you play morw. Just learn from every person yoy fight

-Also on the subject of rotations, even as an ele you should not be following a single rotation. You should be dealing small combos, you need to think depending on your enemy.

Sorry for typos on teh phone and sorry for wall of txt haha.

On mobility i personally do not need it i usually cap home then assist mid and stst between the two. If you want mobility you can change the runes and then grab spectral walk and your fine. Imo spec walk is not good for me but you might like it. Esp in pvp its not necessary. And that is the one down fall of this build but can be made up its jst you sacrifce important utilities. Runes should be okay to change tho.

Any other problems hollerrrr

edit: burst combo=
-start in staff drop all marks on enemy.
—while using last mark use spite sig.
—-after it pops chain in to ds(stay close for the trait proc).
——fear for more dmg, tainted shackles in the life steal

Here i changed the build to include speed: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAnYWjc00YbnNG3webiaBR2i3gMSgYLlB-TpRBABQcCA+4QAE4+DgcEA+qMAAPAAA

also i changed a trait or two and sigils and runes. with this spec walk is 42 secs which is like 80% up time +runes 25% ms bonus with minimal loses

edit: i just made another necro to run this build permanently for roaming

Mystogan.4157:

They have condi bomb? Staff 4 ON yourself AND enemy,

You don’t need to stand on Putrid Mark for the self cleanse, if that’s what you’re implying.

Also, Reaper’s Protection is a bad trait.
And I think you’ve made your build worse by adding Traveller runes.

1 im not using vital precision 2 runes make this build mobile and really shine in gameplay. Boon dur condi dur and all stats is exactly what this build needs. Most the damage comes from physical attacks so undead dont fit to well. Try it out you wont lose a 1v1

Mystogan.4157:

1 im not using vital precision

Vital Precision?

Mystogan.4157:

Try it out you wont lose a 1v1

I would lose against my own build, and I know a few builds on other classes that would also have an edge over yours. I believe you when you say you’re winning a lot of duels, but the build just isn’t as good as it could be.

Reaper’s Protection is just too unreliable. The cooldown is too long, you miss out on a different trait and it usually procs when you don’t need it, or even worse: when it doesn’t do anything because your opponent has stability or other immunities against fear.

Traveller runes: stats are ok-ish at best. You’re basically missing out on a lot more stats for the extra movement speed, which imo is completely overrated for necros. You are slow, everyone else is faster than you and +25% isn’t going to fix that.
I posted earlier that I could get perma swiftness in pvp, but that is a positiv side effect of Pack runes, the stats and high fury uptime is why I really chose them. Swiftness never made a difference in combat for me. You can roam faster but that’s about it.

Mystogan how far up the tpvp, solo or team ladder has your build got you?

flow.6043:

Mystogan.4157:

1 im not using vital precision

Vital Precision?

Mystogan.4157:

Try it out you wont lose a 1v1

I would lose against my own build, and I know a few builds on other classes that would also have an edge over yours. I believe you when you say you’re winning a lot of duels, but the build just isn’t as good as it could be.

Reaper’s Protection is just too unreliable. The cooldown is too long, you miss out on a different trait and it usually procs when you don’t need it, or even worse: when it doesn’t do anything because your opponent has stability or other immunities against fear.

Traveller runes: stats are ok-ish at best. You’re basically missing out on a lot more stats for the extra movement speed, which imo is completely overrated for necros. You are slow, everyone else is faster than you and +25% isn’t going to fix that.
I posted earlier that I could get perma swiftness in pvp, but that is a positiv side effect of Pack runes, the stats and high fury uptime is why I really chose them. Swiftness never made a difference in combat for me. You can roam faster but that’s about it.

reaper precision*
And yea didn’t mean literally but i tested in tpvp with some friends and during those matches i maybe lost 1 or 2 1v1s while at home.

And OP said it was a bit slow so i sped it up for him.

NeXeD.3042:

Mystogan how far up the tpvp, solo or team ladder has your build got you?

I don’t play tpvp regularly enough with work and teammates work schedule i just play casually along side wvw

So you first recommended someone looking for team pvp builds to check for hybrid pve builds then proceeded to tell him to use a wvw build?

I dont play pve. Never did i say it was a pve build. I transfered my wvw build to pvp and tested it just to make sure it acts like it does in wvw. he asked for a build i gave it to him and he likes it plus it works. Bb now

Nemesis build is a pve build that you recommended to someone looking for a hybrid build for pvp. I just don’t like when people give new players untested builds and try to say they are awesome. It’s my guess op was looki NH for proven builds that work in high level pvp. I made a signet necro for trolling and it “worked” doesn’t mean it’s a good build.

NeXeD.3042:

Nemesis build is a pve build that you recommended to someone looking for a hybrid build for pvp. I just don’t like when people give new players untested builds and try to say they are awesome. It’s my guess op was looki NH for proven builds that work in high level pvp. I made a signet necro for trolling and it “worked” doesn’t mean it’s a good build.

he solo roams with it. its okay ik your kitten because he did not reply to your build. ik my build “works” and its “good”

Hmm it seems I have rustled your jimmies. This was not my intention. I do not care if op did not respond to my build. It’s not my build. It’s one that has been proven as an effective pvp build. I do use it sometimes though. It is even more hilarious solo roaming with in in perplexity runes. I can pour water in a shoe and drink from it so I guess that works am I right?

What about a non-condition damage necro build? Is that a thing? I assume axe on one set and dagger on the other, with either a warhorn and a dagger offhand somewhere.

Kirby.9138:

What about a non-condition damage necro build? Is that a thing? I assume axe on one set and dagger on the other, with either a warhorn and a dagger offhand somewhere.

op wanted hybrid build if you want a diff one make a diff thread i run a/d+d/wh in one of my two builds and yes its just a power build no condi other one is the one i presented in previous posts

Try this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakkmeabpxmGOcToLIS2b10FTGFyBBA-TZRCwANeCAy2fYyJAAwhAYcZAA

This is bulldozer) It’s not even a tank)

Mystogan.4157:

Kirby.9138:

What about a non-condition damage necro build? Is that a thing? I assume axe on one set and dagger on the other, with either a warhorn and a dagger offhand somewhere.

op wanted hybrid build if you want a diff one make a diff thread i run a/d+d/wh in one of my two builds and yes its just a power build no condi other one is the one i presented in previous posts

Dude chill… your verry hostile. That supose to be my job
Don’t chase new necros away with you angryness.

And yes Kirby power necros are playable and fun, and it all.depends on how you want to.play, You. Can put together a solid power build with staff and axe/x. Just remember to have staff before you pop DS. I like to pair. Focus with my axe just cause.I love focus, dagger offhand is great for blinds (and chills)

AlexVv.3965:

Try this:
…
It’s not even a tank)

The only thing not tanky about this is how little condition cleasing you have. 30k hp, high protection uptime with earth runes, 3 siphoning traits. How is this not supposed to be a tank?

Some criticism:
Why wouldn’t you take Ritual Mastery with 4 wells, especially when you’re using Well of Blood as your healing skill?
Spiteful Marks is the worst, even more so when your damage output is rather low to begin with.
I’m guessing the sigil of peril on staff is supposed to be another sigil of intelligence…? Either way, I’d imagine you could get more damage or better utility out of different sigils with just ~1900 power and no additional crit dmg.

flow.6043:

AlexVv.3965:

Try this:
…
It’s not even a tank)

The only thing not tanky about this is how little condition cleasing you have. 30k hp, high protection uptime with earth runes, 3 siphoning traits. How is this not supposed to be a tank?

Some criticism:
Why wouldn’t you take Ritual Mastery with 4 wells, especially when you’re using Well of Blood as your healing skill?
Spiteful Marks is the worst, even more so when your damage output is rather low to begin with.
I’m guessing the sigil of peril on staff is supposed to be another sigil of intelligence…? Either way, I’d imagine you could get more damage or better utility out of different sigils with just ~1900 power and no additional crit dmg.

He’s got some points, why on earth would you take vampiric precision over ritual mastery
Also take 2.from death magic and put it into spite for close to death
*Remove warhorn and take dagger offhand for condi cleanse (that plus WoP will enough to cover you condis. )
*switch barbaric for Soldiers get runes or hoelbrak, pirate, or strength.
*get ride of lich… take flesh golem to control people in you wells.
*and sigil of battle is a much better choice

all i said was make another thread its kind of rude to come to someones thread that ask specifically for a hybrid build and then another person comes asking for power builds when they can simply make a new thread

By not taking Path of Corruption in existing meta, you play very risky. Most of builds you spot in PvP will use Strenght runes which are incredibly overpowered on Warriors especially.

A Warrior, Ele or Engineer, decent one, using these runes may be extremaly hard to beat in combat and require much, much, much more effort on your side to beat them than the effort they put.

Even though Necromancers are supposed to be the bane of boons, current pvp is flooded with boonspam and mightstacking builds. My advice: take PoCand Corrupt Boon for sure, everywhere you go. You can also take Chill of Death.

Flow, Alamore, thanks for your comments)

flow.6043:

The only thing not tanky about this is how little condition cleasing you have. 30k hp, high protection uptime with earth runes, 3 siphoning traits. How is this not supposed to be a tank?

It was a small irony)
Of course the tank, but with the damage he inflicts …

Some criticism:
Why wouldn’t you take Ritual Mastery with 4 wells, especially when you’re using Well of Blood as your healing skill?

Reasonable. But first, I wanted to bring a vampire to 100% crit, and secondly, testing this build, noticed that the usual rate of recovery Wells enough. But i can try again, thank you) And then change the sigils on blood.

Spiteful Marks is the worst, even more so when your damage output is rather low to begin with.

I do not agree. I tried, of course, and X in “spite”, but after the test (in SoloQ) i am noted that in conjunction with Wells “spiteful marks” works just a killer)
I did not do any mathematical calculations or tests golems, just a subjective impression of how much faster in my version opponents melt.

I’m guessing the sigil of peril on staff is supposed to be another sigil of intelligence…?

Yes, of course), I accidentally put the wrong sigil.

Either way, I’d imagine you could get more damage or better utility out of different sigils with just ~1900 power and no additional crit dmg.

It is possible, I’ll still experiment with this build. But and in this form it is fairly simple to master novice, so I brought him for an example of the theme author.

alamore.1974:

He’s got some points, why on earth would you take vampiric precision over ritual mastery.
Also take 2.from death magic and put it into spite for close to death

Said above)

*Remove warhorn and take dagger offhand for condi cleanse (that plus WoP will enough to cover you condis. )

Reasonable. Warhorn gave me good speed, periodically, but in this build can safely bring a little speed in sacrifice)

*switch barbaric for Soldiers get runes or hoelbrak, pirate, or strength.

Also reasonable.

*get ride of lich… take flesh golem to control people in you wells.

And again, solely on my subjective impressions – damage in Lich, in conjunction with Marks traits, is preferable, in this build, control with the golem.

*and sigil of battle is a much better choice

Also reasonable)

I am sorry for my bad English – is not my native language)

Most of the builds posted here are made by the posters themselves and are quite bad. Thats why you dont ask on the forums for builds coz every noob will pop out of nowhere and will offer u his build,that he made by himself… which is sooo wrong.
Axe and dagger mainhand are for power builds. And dagger mainhand with Dhuumfire is more for duels.

In this meta (if there’s any right now) for the necro is:
- Condi – Dhuumfire Condi
- Dark Path – Boon strip…or sort of Dark Path
- Power – well or sort of power Power wells

Condi is the best prolly. Its used for quite some time now. You can swap the wurm and the spectral walk for spite and plague signet if u want more burst dmg (but 1 less stunbreaker and its mostly for hotjoins/fighting scrubs). Or you can swap the wurm for spite only. If you use signets,use signet mastery instead of might on life blast

Dark Path, I gotta say I dont know what exactly is traited apart from Path of Corruption tbh… its sort of that type. Its cheesy and I wont play it,unless its very necessary.

Power wells is for 1v1s/fighting scrubs. Wont work vs descent players. You can swap the wurm for spectral grasp but wont have stunbreaker.

Dont use axe in spvp. Scales bloody terribly with power. No long range physical dmg weapon so… staff on every build. Warhorn is pretty useless as well…. And now you know everything about the necro in gw2…

If not too tired I’ll stream necro gameplay tomorrow late afternoon or on Wednesday…. if you wanna see some basic rotations.

Jinx.7258:

Most of the builds posted here are made by the posters themselves and are quite bad. Thats why you dont ask on the forums for builds coz every noob will pop out of nowhere and will offer u his build,that he made by himself… which is sooo wrong.
Axe and dagger mainhand are for power builds. And dagger mainhand with Dhuumfire is more for duels.

In this meta (if there’s any right now) for the necro is:
- Condi – Dhuumfire Condi
- Dark Path – Boon strip…or sort of Dark Path
- Power – well or sort of power Power wells

Condi is the best prolly. Its used for quite some time now. You can swap the wurm and the spectral walk for spite and plague signet if u want more burst dmg (but 1 less stunbreaker and its mostly for hotjoins/fighting scrubs). Or you can swap the wurm for spite only. If you use signets,use signet mastery instead of might on life blast

Dark Path, I gotta say I dont know what exactly is traited apart from Path of Corruption tbh… its sort of that type. Its cheesy and I wont play it,unless its very necessary.

Power wells is for 1v1s/fighting scrubs. Wont work vs descent players. You can swap the wurm for spectral grasp but wont have stunbreaker.

Dont use axe in spvp. Scales bloody terribly with power. No long range physical dmg weapon so… staff on every build. Warhorn is pretty useless as well…. And now you know everything about the necro in gw2…

If not too tired I’ll stream necro gameplay tomorrow late afternoon or on Wednesday…. if you wanna see some basic rotations.

Condi is the best? With all those stance warriors running around, you’de be happy to land even one bleed before being focused down and taken apart. If you want to run condi, you’d better make sure you bring a buddy to tank atleast some damage for you. I admit, having a guardian or ele with you, to buff you up, while playing condi, puts you into a state of god mode, but if you want to cap alone and pressure something else than a condi ranger, a hybrid build would do you more good. Carrion amulet is pretty great since it also provides some power.

Path of corruption is a great addition what we already do best, boon stripping. In the current meta might stacking is pretty essential and you can completely shut down any might stacking with all the corruptions we have. Dark path is just another way to top it of with creaming and a cherry. Run well of corruption, corrupt boon and path of corruption in combination with a dagger for dark pact and you are golden for killing anything that uses boons.

I completely concur with your opinion about well builds…

Don’t use axe? It doesn’t scale well with power, but… 12% shroud + boon strip with cripple aoe? That is some mighty fine skillset right there. Warhorn isn’t useless either. Since you play condi I assume you don’t play those two too much, but Warhorn and axe are (apart from the lack of power scaling) pretty awesome. Warhorn has a 3 second daze on a low cooldown, locust swarming and dropping directly into shroud provides a rather good tanking ability and the daze gives you a good window of opportunity to disengage, heal or drop some heavy damage.

And I would love to know, why builds made by people around here are a problem for you?

Jinx.7258:

Thats why you dont ask on the forums for builds

Where else would you ask for help?

Jinx.7258:

Most of the builds posted here are made by the posters themselves and are quite bad.
…
In this meta (if there’s any right now) for the necro is:

I hope you see the irony here.

Jinx.7258:

In this meta (if there’s any right now) for the necro is:
…
- Power – well or sort of power Power wells
…
Power wells is for 1v1s/fighting scrubs. Wont work vs descent players.

lol fail
…and also wrong.

Jinx.7258:

Dont use axe in spvp.
Warhorn is pretty useless as well…

Oh man, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Not only is it both wrong but your power build link actually includes a warhorn.

I knew very well what I said, the power build includes warhorn coz of the interupt but still its sucky… which is what I meant… build for scrubs fighting/hotjoins so warhorn is used…. aint difficult to understand it.
Ask for help from someone you’ve seen in tournaments and have huge knowledge with necro… not some scrubby nubs in forum warriors war…. its simple. Two top necros atm are Posi (currently inactive but still logs in) and Orangesaftglass – currently active. Both condi necros…

Mind the main role of necromancer in any setup is to shut down melee classes. Thus the weakness spam,thus necros are countering thieves.

Sigh,condi is the best coz is kittened burst…. warrs are countered by just kiting the zerker stance…. and its important to land poison so their healing signet doesnt regen…. In the current meta necros counter warrs quite nicely…. Was increadibly dumb when lyssa was present…

Boon stripping is random… they never fixed it. They fixed the boon sharing but not the stripping… If you wanna stip stab on purpose is not gonna be as easy as on thief….

And for the rest… its pretty common to not use axe in small scale…. #1 is too slow,dmg is low,#2 is easily avoidable and compared to many other classes #2 on one-handed weapons IS low dmg….

NO ONE experienced enough will ever use axe/warhorn in small scale….

As I said,dont ask on forums,here everyone knows eveything about the necro when they r not even playing it. Neither on high lvl, nor at all. Coz some scrub made some build after 2 matches in spvp doesnt mean anything. Everything I linked is currently played and some are viable.

Dont see any of u (those 2 posters above me) to be anything good or known players to judge. When you have experience you’ll know best. Till… then…

What I said is common knowledge if you dont have it… well… dont post lol

Are you kidding me?

build for scrubs fighting/hotjoins so warhorn is used…. aint difficult to understand it.

Wow. Such knowledge. So what you are saying is that you, posting on a forum, know better than anyone else, posting on a forum? I can’t even begin to describe how contradictory your position here is.

Mind the main role of necromancer in any setup is to shut down melee classes. Thus the weakness spam,thus necros are countering thieves.

How about… no? The necromancer has no real main role, as we can fill about any, except healer or boon cannon. Shutting down melees is just the same as shutting down ranged with a necro.

About the boon stripping, you seem to have no plan what so ever how this game works. Instead of building your arguments on authority, you should use facts. There is an order in which boons are stripped / converted. You just need to make sure, that you know which ones will be removed. But don’t take it from me, that you have no idea, take it from another high tier Necromancer:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/WOC-and-Corrupt-Boon-Removal-Order

Sigh,condi is the best coz is kittened burst…. warrs are countered by just kiting the zerker stance…. and its important to land poison so their healing signet doesnt regen…. In the current meta necros counter warrs quite nicely…. Was increadibly dumb when lyssa was present…

Sigh, if it were that easy, warrior would vanish from the pvp meta pretty quickly. Sadly it isn’t. But I imagine that you are not playing well enough to see the problems with kiting, while being thrown around like a fragile egg. Kiting a zerker is one thing, avoiding the cc and the brutal strikes another.

And for the rest… its pretty common to not use axe in small scale…. #1 is too slow,dmg is low,#2 is easily avoidable and compared to many other classes #2 on one-handed weapons IS low dmg….

Damage of #1 is low, granted, #2 is not that easily avoidable without blowing 2 evades or popping something that makes you evade / invulnerable, which leaves you with 2 evades or an invuln skill down, susceptible to terror. #2 is low damage, but cripple + boon strip, which is an ok tradeoff to have. There are not many classes, that have an aoe cripple boonstrip on low cooldown on a weapon.

As I said,dont ask on forums,here everyone knows eveything about the necro when they r not even playing it. Neither on high lvl, nor at all. Coz some scrub made some build after 2 matches in spvp doesnt mean anything. Everything I linked is currently played and some are viable.

Dont see any of u (those 2 posters above me) to be anything good or known players to judge. When you have experience you’ll know best. Till… then…

What I said is common knowledge if you dont have it… well… dont post lol

Atleast we know more about necro than you do it seems. I don’t see the necros mentioned by you to be good players, able to judge the matter either. I provided you with facts, why warhorn and axe are viable weapons in most builds, but you chose to ignore them, provide your personal opinion, and mention some dudes out there, who seemingly play in the mlg.

IF what you said was common knowledge, we wouldn’t have this discussion. It’s at best your personal opinion, and not very informed. lol

Edit:

Some salt for your wounds: Currently you are sPvP Solo rank 356, flow is 253. So going by your arguments, your argument is invalid and he’s right, he’s better than you are and has more experience following your reasoning.

Why would you call us noobs when you don’t even know us?

You say people shouldn’t listen people on the forum who don’t have enough experience, yet apparently you are basing all of your arguments on the fact that you’ve just copied Posi’s and Orange’s build. And if I may add, a build that I would beat with mine 10/10 times, while bringing more team support to every fight.

If it’s any consolation for you, when I actually play solo arena matches I’m always ranked somewhere in the top 100.

Jinx.7258:

What I said is common knowledge if you dont have it… well… dont post lol

Seriously… right back at you. Now take your high horse and ride off into the sunset!