Guild Wars 2

Anyone else feel like this is a weakness of the necro? I’ve played both power and condi build and i find myself facing off against players who will los against necro as a gameplay strategy. AI builds are usually the biggest culprit cause AI doesn’t require los of the player to deal damage. I also run into rangers who will only come out from behind a wall to point blank shot then use 2, then proceed to los again. And also people who are near death will run around rubble in circles so i can’t finish them off and they can heal. What do you guys do as a necro against these type of players with our lack of mobility? I can cap the point and stand on it but i will eventually die if i just sit there taking their hits. If other classes have the option do deal damage without los then why not us? And plz don’t say minions with their terribad AI. I also run wurm and spectral walk on power build but the way they function usually doesnt allow me to “catch” people trying to los( on some rare occasions it has tho). And in general our stronger skills for both builds require los. I think life transfer is the only skill i can think of that doesnt need los.

You have to rely on your teammates in this situations. If the player that LoS you is experienced, skilled and kite you and playing anything other than necromancer.
If the enemy player is necromancer like you and try to kite. you can kill it because you have same mobility so he don’t have that good advantage from it but better than open field. He don’t have health regen, shields, knockbacks, stealth or 100% damage reduction skills so LoSing as a necromancer just okay and not great like with other classes. Experienced people will LoS you as much as possible because your main damage have long casting time and easily avoidable so they can slowly outlast you by cheese mode builds. Also the more they LoS you the more like his friends coming to “focus necromancer” and rekt you together.

Unholy Feast and Wail of Doom ignore line of sight as well.
Also, marks need los for the center but the actual mark can reach around corners, ledges or even trigger through walls.

As to your complaint in general, necros can use los to protect themselves just like any other class. So there really isn’t any disadvantage for us except maybe that other classes can use mobility to get behind cover faster.

Rolisteel.1375:

Also the more they LoS you the more like his friends coming to “focus necromancer” and rekt you together.

That last part happens a lot too if your team is meh >.<.

flow.6043:

Unholy Feast and Wail of Doom ignore line of sight as well.
Also, marks need los for the center but the actual mark can reach around corners, ledges or even trigger through walls.

As to your complaint in general, necros can use los to protect themselves just like any other class. So there really isn’t any disadvantage for us except maybe that other classes can use mobility to get behind cover faster.

They can also stealth, invuln, or block to make sure they can safely los; necro can only dodge, ds or wurm. Necro also can’t deal damage without los unlike mesmers, rangers or engis for example(except for our unreliable minion build). The marks can be used in some situations yea, and unholy feast too. Didn’t know about wail so that’s good to know.

so you say we have LoS and 30% damage reduction to protect us. while they have LoS + healing + shields, 100% damage reduction stealth then some reset fight and come back with like full hp and we don’t have disadvantage? they actually regen back the damage you did to them while they LoS. but again maybe im wrong. but i’d like to see what necromacers doing especially power necros with meta classes that kite them to hell and outlasting them. im ready to check videos. i always like to learn something new.

I checked Hollts videos his enemys in video don’t take advantage of LoS just all play open field and getting kitten d like begginers thats it. but i like the video anyway he have same playstyle like me but more experienced atm.

Rolisteel.1375:

so you say we have LoS and 30% damage reduction to protect us. while they have LoS + healing + shields, 100% damage reduction stealth then some reset fight and come back with like full hp and we don’t have disadvantage?

Stealth doesn’t protect you from damage, just from being targeted.
All those other damage mitigation mechanics and our lack thereof are a seperate issue. But line of sight works the same way for everyone.

Well we do have a lot of aoe, and targetting them right can let you hit people behind obstacles. Especially if you have Greater Marks which makes their radius MASSIVE.

yes true but what i wanted to say even if i catch them while they losing, which is not easy by default.
i think its easy to kite necromancer.
than they apply shields and etc. so i still can’t do damage to them and this goes over till his protection button ready again and gained health back.
thats why i said other classes have better advantage of LoSing because with LoS and they damage mitigation mechanics they can totally reduce, avoid my damage. ( totally counters main damage 1 sec casting times ) while im not able if LoS fails. i don’t find it balanced

I know what you mean… trying to hold onto quarry on Foefire while the enemy runs around the sides of the point is incredibly frustrating. Especially if it’s an engi chucking nades onto the point, being able to hit me while I can’t hit him cause he has more and larger aoes than me. Best bet is to wait for the big boon buff they get from the 75% health trait, fear them directly away from the point with reaper’s mark so you can see them, and then use corrupt boon. That, or just give up the point and freecast condis at them from the ledge.

manveruppd.7601:

Well we do have a lot of aoe, and targetting them right can let you hit people behind obstacles. Especially if you have Greater Marks which makes their radius MASSIVE.

AoE easily avoidable they have dodges too. Greaters Mark not available for power necros as full spite grandmaster and soul reaping traiting is required.

Yes i mean all that frustrating LoS and kiting. What you said is one of them.

Wanted to point out that along with the healing other classes can do while los we generally have consume conditions only. Other classes can also cause us to waste life force becuase of death shrouds cooldown. You can’t always just leave death shroud whenever you want. People can capitalize on you for leaving or entering ds. Even condi loses access to doom until ds recharges for example.

While sometimes marks can hit around obstacles, they sometimes can’t. Unholy feast and wail of doom are fairly short range but can sometimes be used.

Yes we have Consume Conditions which is again 1 1/4 sec casting time. longer casting than a life blast.

Rolisteel.1375:

Yes we have Consume Conditions which is again 1 1/4 sec casting time. longer casting than a life blast.

Seriously stop plaiyng a necro if you hate it so much.

Why you think i hate it? I just think its weaker than other classes and need some love.

Your comments are so negative to me. Also your username shows you are a very intelligent one.

Don’t post please then if you don’t like when i write about weakness of the necro.

Every other people can understand what i’m talking about.

The OP made this topic because of the line of side weakness of the necromancer.

Instead you should post something related to topic.

Rolisteel.1375:

Why you think i hate it? I just think its weaker than other classes and need some love.

Your comments are so negative to me. Also your username shows you are a very intelligent one.

Don’t post please then if you don’t like when i write about weakness of the necro.

Every other people can understand what i’m talking about.

The OP made this topic because of the line of side weakness of the necromancer.

Instead you should post something related to topic.

Just report me and get it over with =( every post you make is pretty much complaining about everything and comparing necromancers to other classes when each class has its role sooner you learn that sooner you stop complaining

You should know that complaining is there for one reason. To improve. I improve with talking people what they think and they accept what i think or they think otherwise. Im alway ready to learn something new. Also maybe my favourite class improve too because i think a lot of people want it to improve for tPvP and PvE.

Rolisteel.1375:

You should know that complaining is there for one reason. To improve. I improve with talking people what they think and they accept what i think or they think otherwise. Also maybe my favourite class improve too because i think a lot of people want it to improve for tPvP and PvE.

No complaining is not how you improve, that’s what our lovely everybody gets a medal and everybody’s racist society would like you to think…. complaining accomplished absolutely nothing.

Complaining highlights problems that need to be highlighted.

But as i said i listen what other peoples think as maybe im wrong and there is a way to do better and thats how i improve.