Guild Wars 2

To be honest i like necro wells but compared to the traps on other classes where you put them down instant recharge even if it hasn’t been triggered it kind of sucks. Then you may say “Well mesmer has wells” yes agreed but.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chronomancer

@ 15 sec recharges compared to a minimum on damaging wells at 35 second recharge for necros.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

I wouldn’t say change it to 15 but at least 25 second minimum maybe. Or if keeping them long then extend the time on the wells for a few extra seconds for more pulses.

Edit note: Where the heck is the necro Well Elite skill? Kind of messed up it doesn’t have one.

I’m really confused as to why you brought chronomancer wells into this? I mean, chrono wells only have a 3 second duration, and the first 2 ticks on the utility wells are pretty crap honestly, which means that everyone has a huge telegraph to GTFO before the third tick happens. Necro wells on the other hand have substantially longer duration, and consistent effects at each tick.

Should necro wells be buffed? I honestly don’t really care. Some of them are rather underwhelming imo, but every class has skills like that. It would be interesting, to me at any rate, to reduce the duration of Necro wells, but also lower their base CD by a few seconds (5-10 at the most) and also giving them the chrono well treatment wherein the last tick is substantially more powerful than the first few.

The necromancer wells are simply better.

necro well need some sort of defense to help the necro

their current state is fine but with no support to the necro on player will choose them in pvp (only wvw)

like vampiric rituals trait – should be proc protection for every second and life force to you when you stand in them 5% per second

Wells are not as bad as you think, for normal ranked play, i manage to go previous season top 25 with 4 wells build and mostly soloq. You must just learn what they can and cant do and play accordingly.
messiah …… wells have defense, offense and support if you choose right traits/build.

Maybe for me atm little useless is the blind well, would need some love. Maybe also heal well healing ticks should be little stronger/work in ds. If beside that, anet would want to buff wells more, i would go only with reduced cd and not changing functionality. Also agree that we need well elite, but for pvp atm shout elite is doing its job and not looking to replace it :p.

Emapudapus.1307:

Wells are not as bad as you think, for normal ranked play, i manage to go previous season top 25 with 4 wells build and mostly soloq. You must just learn what they can and cant do and play accordingly.
messiah …… wells have defense, offense and support if you choose right traits/build.

Maybe for me atm little useless is the blind well, would need some love. Maybe also heal well healing ticks should be little stronger/work in ds. If beside that, anet would want to buff wells more, i would go only with reduced cd and not changing functionality. Also agree that we need well elite, but for pvp atm shout elite is doing its job and not looking to replace it :p.

which defense well has? only 1 trait which proc 3 sec protection, life siphon which is useless. and smart player wont stand on them so you lost 3 utilities…

Ziggityzog.7389:

To be honest i like necro wells but compared to the traps on other classes where you put them down instant recharge even if it hasn’t been triggered it kind of sucks. Then you may say “Well mesmer has wells” yes agreed but.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chronomancer

@ 15 sec recharges compared to a minimum on damaging wells at 35 second recharge for necros.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

I wouldn’t say change it to 15 but at least 25 second minimum maybe. Or if keeping them long then extend the time on the wells for a few extra seconds for more pulses.

Edit note: Where the heck is the necro Well Elite skill? Kind of messed up it doesn’t have one.

Wells are all awesome, even if necro lack the elite well:
-Don’t have to be triggered, unlike traps
-Can be casted from range, unlike traps
-All wells make a field
-Are all unblockable

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

The only “broken” part of traps is the time they last, same dumb thing as marks.
A change is needed: make lasting skills like traps and marks go into a lesser cd when triggered, where the lesser CD = 1/2 full CD
Obviously only if the skill is fully recharged..

Or, just don’t let them start recharging at all until either:

• They are triggered by an enemy

• They expire

• Player who placed them “detonates” them

messiah.1908:

Emapudapus.1307:

Wells are not as bad as you think, for normal ranked play, i manage to go previous season top 25 with 4 wells build and mostly soloq. You must just learn what they can and cant do and play accordingly.
messiah …… wells have defense, offense and support if you choose right traits/build.

Maybe for me atm little useless is the blind well, would need some love. Maybe also heal well healing ticks should be little stronger/work in ds. If beside that, anet would want to buff wells more, i would go only with reduced cd and not changing functionality. Also agree that we need well elite, but for pvp atm shout elite is doing its job and not looking to replace it :p.

which defense well has? only 1 trait which proc 3 sec protection, life siphon which is useless. and smart player wont stand on them so you lost 3 utilities…

Yes protection, siphons, combo field and life force (if talking about dmging wells) +well of power. WoP is real defensive here but what you get from dmging wells is also noticeable (even tho they are meant for dmg and you take them cuz you want dmg) + many of its effects can also affect your team + vampiric aura. Siphons combined with regeneration boon arent useless healing or dmg, just from my experience.

“and smart player wont stand on them so you lost 3 utilities… "

This is just general assumption and i will just say you need to use wells smartly, observe/work with your team and react, since there are numerous different situation that would require different tactic. Ofc well builds arent best in everything but you must know your strengths and weaknesses and play around it.

Wells do need a buff, especially in terms of damage. They should actually be menacing, not a trickling annoyance.

But the problem is HoT powercreep they are not that bad just way over shadowed. They CAN be useful, if you have the proper support.

I personally run reaper with corruption poison cloud it’s a very under rated skill that will simply ruin people who don’t realize its power like thieves spamming 4. (coming from someone who mains thief, yes I kittening hate thievse with a passion vs my necro!_

I know it’s not a well but I’ve seen some very well rounded players run well and succeed, it is actually a benefit if you have the proper support. Unfortunately this is mostly not possible in current pvp system.

Why the heck do you need protection on a necros well? Necros entire goal is to position in aa way that they are hard to focus. I run the power boonstrip with corrupt boon and double well meaning yes…. no Stun breaker….. and the one thing I can say for certain is where I place my wells is generally as far away from me as I can be….. okay other way around… I place myself as far away as I can from my wells. You dont ever want to be near your wells until you have full shroud and even then you want to be back out of the fight before you completely run out.

A side note…. double well is the only build I reliably out damage power warriors in every match…. their damage is insane if you are running marauder…I have single handedly wiped teams with them.

Nickzor.2453:

Why the heck do you need protection on a necros well? Necros entire goal is to position in aa way that they are hard to focus. I run the power boonstrip with corrupt boon and double well meaning yes…. no Stun breaker….. and the one thing I can say for certain is where I place my wells is generally as far away from me as I can be….. okay other way around… I place myself as far away as I can from my wells. You dont ever want to be near your wells until you have full shroud and even then you want to be back out of the fight before you completely run out.

A side note…. double well is the only build I reliably out damage power warriors in every match…. their damage is insane if you are running marauder…I have single handedly wiped teams with them.

I can tell you’re lower ranked because you don’t have a thief riding your weiner.

It ain that ez playing necro bro and that’s coming form a teef main. P4 demolishes your ability to do anything.

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

And for mesmer wells… well of eternity is essentially a better well of blood (without healing power woe heals more, has the same cd and faster casttime then wob) combined with a worse well of power.

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

And for mesmer wells… well of eternity is essentially a better well of blood (without healing power woe heals more, has the same cd and faster casttime then wob) combined with a worse well of power.

Don’t actually take anything on these forums seriously.

Rukia.9860:

Nickzor.2453:

Why the heck do you need protection on a necros well? Necros entire goal is to position in aa way that they are hard to focus. I run the power boonstrip with corrupt boon and double well meaning yes…. no Stun breaker….. and the one thing I can say for certain is where I place my wells is generally as far away from me as I can be….. okay other way around… I place myself as far away as I can from my wells. You dont ever want to be near your wells until you have full shroud and even then you want to be back out of the fight before you completely run out.

A side note…. double well is the only build I reliably out damage power warriors in every match…. their damage is insane if you are running marauder…I have single handedly wiped teams with them.

I can tell you’re lower ranked because you don’t have a thief riding your weiner.

It ain that ez playing necro bro and that’s coming form a teef main. P4 demolishes your ability to do anything.

And what rank might you be that you haven’t learned anti thief kite locations? Thieves wreck necro in 1v1 but at what point are in ever 1v1 as a necro who is actually looking at the map? Your entire job is focused around decimating team fights. If you are caught out of position on a thief thats on you not an inherent problem with the class itself.

The vast majority of necros dont understand positioning so a thief who hasn’t lost their thumbs will just demolish them by spamming 4. just an FYI I have been legend every season but this one. I got bored after being placed in high gold and went to play OW. The amount of vet players who even logged in this season was too painful I came back at the last week and played 10 games but simply put… the entire top tier community is gone. No reason to play when my win rate is 80% while watching TV

Just a side note I fear Whispering Illusions when im on my necro far more then I fear any of the ESL thieves like KAT and Toker that I would get placed against daily. A thief is generally a minor annoyance I can use my team as human shields to force them to back off. A good mesmer will moa demolish me instantly if Im not ready for it.

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

Yes, cause Suffering deals damage, Corruption deals damage and convert boons and Well of Darkness was only picked to proc Chilling Darkness, if you look at the healing skill of course it’s defensive/support.
The only true support necro’s well it’s Well of Power.

Vitali.5039:

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

Yes, cause Suffering deals damage, Corruption deals damage and convert boons and Well of Darkness was only picked to proc Chilling Darkness, if you look at the healing skill of course it’s defensive/support.
The only true support necro’s well it’s Well of Power.

No well of darkness is a defensive skill even if it is terrible at its job. It doesnt matter what it is picked for. The idea of the skill was always protecing you and your allies with pulsing blinds.

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

Yes, cause Suffering deals damage, Corruption deals damage and convert boons and Well of Darkness was only picked to proc Chilling Darkness, if you look at the healing skill of course it’s defensive/support.
The only true support necro’s well it’s Well of Power.

No well of darkness is a defensive skill even if it is terrible at its job. It doesnt matter what it is picked for. The idea of the skill was always protecing you and your allies with pulsing blinds.

I wouldn’t say it does a terrible job of it. It can produce enough blind that many classes will miss every 2nd or third attack if they are stuck fighting in it. Its main drag is that when you drop wells generally speaking people start to scatter. The 2 main offensive wells produce enough in the first couple pulses to give them value where as well of darkness really requires nearly its full duration for you to get the same value of different skill. On top of that if you can force the enemy team to fight in it they will likely be under some form of CC so that blinds power is diminished.

Nickzor.2453:

Why the heck do you need protection on a necros well? Necros entire goal is to position in aa way that they are hard to focus. I run the power boonstrip with corrupt boon and double well meaning yes…. no Stun breaker….. and the one thing I can say for certain is where I place my wells is generally as far away from me as I can be….. okay other way around… I place myself as far away as I can from my wells. You dont ever want to be near your wells until you have full shroud and even then you want to be back out of the fight before you completely run out.

A side note…. double well is the only build I reliably out damage power warriors in every match…. their damage is insane if you are running marauder…I have single handedly wiped teams with them.

and than thief target you while you have no defense and you die….

Nickzor.2453:

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

Muchacho.2390:

Vitali.5039:

It’s only that unlike mesmers necro lack survivability skills and necro’s wells are mostly offensive.

Really? 3 of 5 necro wells are defensive/support and dont offer anything offensive. Only well of suffering and well of corruption are offensive and they are also the only wells that are used more commonly.

Yes, cause Suffering deals damage, Corruption deals damage and convert boons and Well of Darkness was only picked to proc Chilling Darkness, if you look at the healing skill of course it’s defensive/support.
The only true support necro’s well it’s Well of Power.

No well of darkness is a defensive skill even if it is terrible at its job. It doesnt matter what it is picked for. The idea of the skill was always protecing you and your allies with pulsing blinds.

I wouldn’t say it does a terrible job of it. It can produce enough blind that many classes will miss every 2nd or third attack if they are stuck fighting in it. Its main drag is that when you drop wells generally speaking people start to scatter. The 2 main offensive wells produce enough in the first couple pulses to give them value where as well of darkness really requires nearly its full duration for you to get the same value of different skill. On top of that if you can force the enemy team to fight in it they will likely be under some form of CC so that blinds power is diminished.

It does a terrible job as a defensive skill because it is unreliable. Smart players will simply walk out of the aoe or use the resistence boon. Things like dodges, blocks or even defensive boons like protection or aegis are more reliable (harder to counter).

Counterplay to wells is easy. A smart player will eat one tick if he decides to dodge or two ticks if he decides to just walk out of it.

All utility wells need a 30 second cooldown. The healing well needs a 20 second cooldown.

Corrosive poison cloud (the skill is technically a well) is btw. one of the worst skills to pick when running a power build (as the self weakening kills you and transfer skills are too unreliable) and overpowered when running a condi build (30 second cooldown for an 8 second denial area, projectile block and condi builds don’t care about weakness in terms of damage (just for endurance regen)).

I’d rather see other stuff on Necro get buffed than wells. Wellspam is way too easy and not really fun, I used to play it pre-HoT and we surely don’t need even more aoe in PvP.

Greatsword could be fun if it got buffed, that’s what I’d like to see change.

Nickzor.2453:

Rukia.9860:

Nickzor.2453:

Why the heck do you need protection on a necros well? Necros entire goal is to position in aa way that they are hard to focus. I run the power boonstrip with corrupt boon and double well meaning yes…. no Stun breaker….. and the one thing I can say for certain is where I place my wells is generally as far away from me as I can be….. okay other way around… I place myself as far away as I can from my wells. You dont ever want to be near your wells until you have full shroud and even then you want to be back out of the fight before you completely run out.

A side note…. double well is the only build I reliably out damage power warriors in every match…. their damage is insane if you are running marauder…I have single handedly wiped teams with them.

I can tell you’re lower ranked because you don’t have a thief riding your weiner.

It ain that ez playing necro bro and that’s coming form a teef main. P4 demolishes your ability to do anything.

And what rank might you be that you haven’t learned anti thief kite locations? Thieves wreck necro in 1v1 but at what point are in ever 1v1 as a necro who is actually looking at the map? Your entire job is focused around decimating team fights. If you are caught out of position on a thief thats on you not an inherent problem with the class itself.

The vast majority of necros dont understand positioning so a thief who hasn’t lost their thumbs will just demolish them by spamming 4. just an FYI I have been legend every season but this one. I got bored after being placed in high gold and went to play OW. The amount of vet players who even logged in this season was too painful I came back at the last week and played 10 games but simply put… the entire top tier community is gone. No reason to play when my win rate is 80% while watching TV

Just a side note I fear Whispering Illusions when im on my necro far more then I fear any of the ESL thieves like KAT and Toker that I would get placed against daily. A thief is generally a minor annoyance I can use my team as human shields to force them to back off. A good mesmer will moa demolish me instantly if Im not ready for it.

Theres no way your fighting ESL level players without a stunbreak on a necro i dont care how good your “Positioning” is.

If ever there was an Elite Well, it would have to be Well of Corruption. Incredibly useful when used correctly. The first pulse corrupts Stab into Fear which will destroy anyone who’s not a warrior.