Guild Wars 2

I personally value the necromancer’s ability to survive in PvE and that’s why I play it for pugging. I have a very consistent experience even in fotm scale 50. The way I see it, if you go metazerk and you wipe even once your efficiency goes down the toilet and you wasted your time with that group. Random groups never wipe with my necro even on things people supposedly consider difficult like imbued shaman.

Anyway the problem is the necro’s survival depends on numbers. Shroud can absorb a certain amount of damage, you have a certain amount of health, and you can heal yourself a certain amount. At fractal scale 50 it feels like I’m at the limit of my necro being useful.

On scale 20 I can facetank every boss and it’s like w/e, at 30 I have to dodge sometimes. At 40-50 I have to play the game properly and I can’t kitten around at all.

So I’m pretty worried about how it will be at higher scales. Will bosses just 1 shot me through shroud with a 100k hit? Wouldn’t be surprised at all.

We will need some stuff that would still function against things that hit that hard, like blind should work normally through unshakable for example. That alone might be enough but not sure.

I think they are trying to improve necro by changing pve. More toughness in fractals means your epidemic is worth more. More precision, your weakness is worth more.

I agree we could use buffs but if they make our niche more effective isn’t that an indirect buff ?

Malchior.1928:

I think they are trying to improve necro by changing pve. More toughness in fractals means your epidemic is worth more. More precision, your weakness is worth more.

I agree we could use buffs but if they make our niche more effective isn’t that an indirect buff ?

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. What will those stats do with regards to epidemic and weakness?

But I mean my concern has more to do with survival. The necro’s main strength (though not valued by most players) is the ability to survive extremely well. The problem is that our only active defense is shroud which will stop being effective if mobs do more damage at higher scales.

Necomancer was good at the “old” fractals, that went over 50. The groups that went to 80+ often used a necromancer.

With unholy sanctuary acting like old Death shroud used to, not letting any damage “spill over” when it triggers, you can absorb most cheap 1HKO mechanisms that the game has.

So it depends if the new fractals are well designed or cheap. If thy are cheap, necromancer may well be wanted.

I suspect they will neither be cheap nor well designed, just more grindy versions of what we have now.

Malchior.1928:

I think they are trying to improve necro by changing pve. More toughness in fractals means your epidemic is worth more. More precision, your weakness is worth more.

I agree we could use buffs but if they make our niche more effective isn’t that an indirect buff ?

Epidemic sucks. Which fractal is it good in? The only things challenging in fractals are the bosses, and bosses don’t have adds for the most part.

Jury’s still out on weakness, especially if the bosses get the new break bars.

nekretaal.6485:

Malchior.1928:

I think they are trying to improve necro by changing pve. More toughness in fractals means your epidemic is worth more. More precision, your weakness is worth more.

I agree we could use buffs but if they make our niche more effective isn’t that an indirect buff ?

Epidemic sucks. Which fractal is it good in? The only things challenging in fractals are the bosses, and bosses don’t have adds for the most part.

Jury’s still out on weakness, especially if the bosses get the new break bars.

You might want to actually read what he said before responding.

He did not say it was good now, he said that they are changing fractals AND that back in the days of level 80 fractals groups took necromancers.

Recently Arena net announced changes to fractals and it supports his claim that they are trying to change fractals to take advantage of more than simply zerker. Go read or reread the blogpost from last week.

PlatinumMember.5274:

nekretaal.6485:

Malchior.1928:

I think they are trying to improve necro by changing pve. More toughness in fractals means your epidemic is worth more. More precision, your weakness is worth more.

I agree we could use buffs but if they make our niche more effective isn’t that an indirect buff ?

Epidemic sucks. Which fractal is it good in? The only things challenging in fractals are the bosses, and bosses don’t have adds for the most part.

Jury’s still out on weakness, especially if the bosses get the new break bars.

You might want to actually read what he said before responding.

He did not say it was good now, he said that they are changing fractals AND that back in the days of level 80 fractals groups took necromancers.

Recently Arena net announced changes to fractals and it supports his claim that they are trying to change fractals to take advantage of more than simply zerker. Go read or reread the blogpost from last week.

What about their post made it seem like it will discourage full zerker teams?

The more you buff mob damage the more people have to depend on invuln type of defenses to survive and the less effective defensive stats are.

I feel like there’s more than enough leeway at fractal 50. I’ll generally go necro when I’m feeling off that day and I know my active defense is going to be lacking. I can run a DS build and I basically get a huge safety net in DS. Now of course if they raise the numbers to be outrageous, killing Nomad warriors in one hit… well yeah, might be an issue, especially considering you have no active defenses to fall back on.

Jerus.4350:

I feel like there’s more than enough leeway at fractal 50. I’ll generally go necro when I’m feeling off that day and I know my active defense is going to be lacking. I can run a DS build and I basically get a huge safety net in DS. Now of course if they raise the numbers to be outrageous, killing Nomad warriors in one hit… well yeah, might be an issue, especially considering you have no active defenses to fall back on.

I mean 50 isn’t the absolute limit for necro survival being functional but it feels pretty close to me.

Biggest reason i avoid taking necro into fractals is because of the lack of projectile defence and active defence. It just frustrates me being forced into absorbing damage like some roleplay tank.

spoj.9672:

Biggest reason i avoid taking necro into fractals is because of the lack of projectile defence and active defence. It just frustrates me being forced into absorbing damage like some roleplay tank.

I enjoy it that’s why I play necro. :P We don’t need to put up a wall, just stand behind me guys.

It’s not going to work if they buff mob damage further unless we get some mechanic like http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Protective_Spirit

Khristophoros.7194:

spoj.9672:

Biggest reason i avoid taking necro into fractals is because of the lack of projectile defence and active defence. It just frustrates me being forced into absorbing damage like some roleplay tank.

I enjoy it that’s why I play necro. :P We don’t need to put up a wall, just stand behind me guys.

It’s not going to work if they buff mob damage further unless we get some mechanic like http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Protective_Spirit

Please stop, the nostalgia is making me tear up! I miss my old Prot Monk in RA.