Guild Wars 2

Ok so I’m just coming back to GW2 after like 6-7 months of not playing AT ALL, and I’ve been testing out the “new warriors” and I’ve noticed there haven’t been too many necros around, but whenever I bring them up everyone in the rooms QQ about them being OP…. which is the complete opposite of their state when I left those months ago lol

Necro was my secondary toon, with guardians, but when I played and I decided to test some sPvP builds out to see if I could find this “OP necro build” everyones been complaining about I couldn’t

So idk if I just haven’t gotten the hang of things yet (been playing LoL…. cause EVERYONE plays LoL…. but it kinda screwed up my muscle memory for GW2 lol :P) or if I just can’t figure it out.

So could you guys be kind enough to inform me on the current state of necros in sPvP? Are they actually OP like everyone seems to be saying? And if so what about them and what builds are OP?

Thanks in advance for any helpful information

I’m not sure which one is OP but I think it’s the condition build in which I think you need to take Dhuumfire and the standard condition build, using scepter/dagger and staff.

To be honest I don’t find Necromancers OP at all I just don’t think people are used to the damage we can put out now but saying that out AoE damage is incredibly high.

Since you stopped playing also we had the grandmaster trait ‘Axe Mastery’ moved down from grandmaster so now we can take ‘Axe Mastery’ and the one where we do more damage depending on how much health we have left.

Overall I wouldn’t say we’re OP but we are are doing very well in comparison to all other professions. with our wells, Life transfer, Tainted Shackles, Staff spells and Epidemic our AoE damage is somewhat devastating to any swarm of players.

Hope this was a little help is any.

I think the build people complain about being OP is the Terror Condition build. 30 in Spite for cond. duration and Duumfire which gives us burning, 20 in Curses for Terror(damage on fear), and 20 in Soul Reaping for 50% fear duration increase(to get an extra tick of damage in on fear).

The build is definitely more strong than any necro build when you left the game, but compared to spirit rangers, s/d thieves, a number of warrior builds… its not overpowered.

When I play my thief, a condition necro is a tasty treat. Survive the two fears, and cleanse the conditions with sword or stealth, and I can burst through a terrormancer’s pathetic 18k HP quickly.

Personally, I feel tanky power builds are much stronger for my necro, and thats what I play in Spvp mostly. Its probably just because I am not experienced enough, but I cannot survive in pugs as condition spec. As a PTV power spec with wells and spectral skills I can survive easily and put out decent damage.

Well , to be honest , I think that we are OP
I use MM build in both PvE and PvP and capable to kill many players at once ( camping )
http://tinyurl.com/opjsdrw
I think that MM build is the strongest one , if some necros are noob and can’t handle their army , they can’t judge them and say that they are weak/bad.
And again , if you mastered any build . you will see your self OP

No amount of ‘managing’ will keep your minions alive vs a good player who knows to just AE them down.

Even using staff AE regen, DS AE heal, they wont survive long in a group battle.

MM is a great spec for killing noobs though!

I’m currently maining a hammer dps warrior, until I find something better at least, and I have to say it’s always funny running into MM necros and watching them scramble after I demolish their entire army with a couple attacks lol

But yeah I used to goof around with builds like that in tourneys, was usually the home point guard (idk if thats even part of the meta now though lol), was fun just avoiding the enemy roamers while my minions wrecked his/her noob face! However good aoe players that roamed ruined the fun

And I must have missed the burn in spite! So essentially necros can now easily apply EVERY condi with ease over and over again? Well I can see why they’d be good!

How do they do against guardians and eles though? Cause before I left condi necros almost didnt exist in tourneys due to guardians and eles instantly removing ALL conditions for their ENTIRE team just by simply dodging around :P lol was that nerfed or can necros just reapply them fast enough now?

Vicarious.3047:

I’m currently maining a hammer dps warrior, until I find something better at least, and I have to say it’s always funny running into MM necros and watching them scramble after I demolish their entire army with a couple attacks lol

But yeah I used to goof around with builds like that in tourneys, was usually the home point guard (idk if thats even part of the meta now though lol), was fun just avoiding the enemy roamers while my minions wrecked his/her noob face! However good aoe players that roamed ruined the fun

And I must have missed the burn in spite! So essentially necros can now easily apply EVERY condi with ease over and over again? Well I can see why they’d be good!

How do they do against guardians and eles though? Cause before I left condi necros almost didnt exist in tourneys due to guardians and eles instantly removing ALL conditions for their ENTIRE team just by simply dodging around :P lol was that nerfed or can necros just reapply them fast enough now?

Basic counters to necro are still basic counters to necro (so cc warrior, shout guardian, and that kin) we can just melt idiots and punish bad plays really hard now with condi burst.

For basic yolo que and winning in hotjoins id say something like http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjMad7Zbia87JEoH7CuAiRKOmghSB8kOA-TsAAzCuIMSZkzIjRSjsGN+YFw+DA is correct, but just with swapping out the major traits, utilites and sigils you can get a carry necro that is pretty insane (but ofc needs someone to peel for him).

Vicarious.3047:

I’m currently maining a hammer dps warrior, until I find something better at least, and I have to say it’s always funny running into MM necros and watching them scramble after I demolish their entire army with a couple attacks lol

But yeah I used to goof around with builds like that in tourneys, was usually the home point guard (idk if thats even part of the meta now though lol), was fun just avoiding the enemy roamers while my minions wrecked his/her noob face! However good aoe players that roamed ruined the fun

And I must have missed the burn in spite! So essentially necros can now easily apply EVERY condi with ease over and over again? Well I can see why they’d be good!

How do they do against guardians and eles though? Cause before I left condi necros almost didnt exist in tourneys due to guardians and eles instantly removing ALL conditions for their ENTIRE team just by simply dodging around :P lol was that nerfed or can necros just reapply them fast enough now?

Nah, not every condition, we dont have confusion (unless runes of perplexity gets its way into pvp), and limited access to blind, stun and daze (its really hard to see anyone using focus on pvp). But yeah, every other one is cool.

Condition removal was nerfed, so eles and guardians cant cleanse ALL our conditions anymore just by dodging. Also besides burning we now also have torment and fear damage, so they cant cleanse all of it. Eles also had big changes made to their traits, and most of them now runs air traitline for direct burst damage, so their healing are even further diminished.

Warriors became the new anti necro class, since we dont have mobility and they have stun locking and berseker stance, which gives them invulnerability to conditions for 8 seconds on a 60 s cooldown. They are very OP at the moment, probably close to condition necros and spirit rangers. Not that im complaining, they have easy to see animations and usually arent asura, so if i get stun locked to death it was really my own fault.

R.i.P Necro sPvP June 2013 – September 2013

Maybe you didnt see it but this has been discussed alot on the forums its on the first page.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Why-do-people-find-c-necro-so-op-in-pvp

Ascii.9726:

R.i.P Necro sPvP June 2013 – September 2013

Do you have leaked release notes to back this up, or was just beeing sarcastic? With our recent boost to Death Shroud and Dire Gear coming out (idk about it on sPvP, since it hasnt been announced), i seems that ANet is trying to balance the class by giving it more survavibility (and less dmg). I dont think it will kill the class, just change the meta.

Another one of these topics of other classes trying to get us nerfed. Again. Seriously, after that last deathly patch you aren’t satisfied? Not like we can fight against it either since Anet favors all BUT necros.

LezardValeth.9453:

Another one of these topics of other classes trying to get us nerfed. Again. Seriously, after that last deathly patch you aren’t satisfied? Not like we can fight against it either since Anet favors all BUT necros.

Mesmer=Guardian>Ele=Thief>Ranger>Engie>Warrior=Necro
(order of equal being who is still taken first into consideration, but with same amount of thought put into it).

LezardValeth.9453:

Another one of these topics of other classes trying to get us nerfed. Again. Seriously, after that last deathly patch you aren’t satisfied? Not like we can fight against it either since Anet favors all BUT necros.

Apparently you didnt even bother to read my OP…..

Good job…… -.-

But it is nice to hear condition removal was nerfed! Makes me wanna play condi necro again lol

However someone said warriors are OP? I mean against necros and other condition focused classes/builds I could see how…. but warriors still feel far from OP to me… but thats just out of what ive experienced first hand in only a day lol :P

oZii.2864:

Maybe you didnt see it but this has been discussed alot on the forums its on the first page.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Why-do-people-find-c-necro-so-op-in-pvp

I did see that, and if youd read my OP then youd understand why that thread doesnt help me too much.

Im asking for people to help me out in understanding which builds are the “OP” ones and what exactly about the necro is more powerful now then it used ot be.

That thread is people QQing about certain aspects of the necro class and others arguing against them. Doesnt exactly help me when it comes to builds lol

Andele.1306:

Mesmer=Guardian>Ele=Thief>Ranger>Engie>Warrior=Necro
(order of equal being who is still taken first into consideration, but with same amount of thought put into it).

Not in sPvP. That list might have been correct about half a year ago, but its not even remotely accurate now.

Vicarious.3047:

LezardValeth.9453:

Another one of these topics of other classes trying to get us nerfed. Again. Seriously, after that last deathly patch you aren’t satisfied? Not like we can fight against it either since Anet favors all BUT necros.

Apparently you didnt even bother to read my OP…..

Good job…… -.-

But it is nice to hear condition removal was nerfed! Makes me wanna play condi necro again lol

However someone said warriors are OP? I mean against necros and other condition focused classes/builds I could see how…. but warriors still feel far from OP to me… but thats just out of what ive experienced first hand in only a day lol :P

oZii.2864:

Maybe you didnt see it but this has been discussed alot on the forums its on the first page.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Why-do-people-find-c-necro-so-op-in-pvp

I did see that, and if youd read my OP then youd understand why that thread doesnt help me too much.

Im asking for people to help me out in understanding which builds are the “OP” ones and what exactly about the necro is more powerful now then it used ot be.

That thread is people QQing about certain aspects of the necro class and others arguing against them. Doesnt exactly help me when it comes to builds lol

Yes, warriors have very powerful stun locking abilities, very powerful passive healing (with signet), and invulnerability to conditions, besides access to stability. Since the new meta is conditions (and poor mobility), they are very powerful counters and a little bit OP, or at least above average. They are certainly doing better than eles, guardians, mesmers and maybe even engis in sPvP right now.

Warriors using perplexity runes in WvW are also broken, since they can do 20+ confusion stacks easily (it stacks confusion on interrupt, e.g.: stuns, and has no internal cooldown right now). Again, not saying warrios should be nerfed, they deserved the last buffs they got, but other classes got a little to many nerfs over the recent patches, and need to be brought back.

If you are looking for a build, just try ventari’s (first page of necro forum). Its pretty much the standart of what people run right now. He also posted some videos where you can see how he duels with other classes.

Andele.1306:

LezardValeth.9453:

Another one of these topics of other classes trying to get us nerfed. Again. Seriously, after that last deathly patch you aren’t satisfied? Not like we can fight against it either since Anet favors all BUT necros.

Mesmer=Guardian>Ele=Thief>Ranger>Engie>Warrior=Necro
(order of equal being who is still taken first into consideration, but with same amount of thought put into it).

Outdated list is outdated.

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

LOL thats funny.

Xavi.6591:

Outdated list is outdated.

For meta, yes, for overall builds and their strengths (so including the ones not really used in pvp because they “are not viable”), its correct.

Warrior > Necro > Ranger > Guardian > rest.

Andele.1306:

Xavi.6591:

Outdated list is outdated.

For meta, yes, for overall builds and their strengths (so including the ones not really used in pvp because they “are not viable”), its correct.

The meta is massively important, ignoring the meta is ignoring one of the biggest things that determines comparative build viability. The reason Mesmers are near useless right now and never brought is because they cannot effectively run enough condition cleansing to deal with the super-condi meta, especially not Necros.

On the other hand, the main reason warriors have become such an integral part of the meta is because they have the tools to hard counter Necros.

Every build comes down to relative viability. You have no standard with which to measure viability except compared to other builds, and compared to the currently used builds, that list is completely inaccurate.

Having played necro for a very long time I think half the cries of OP-ness are strictly from foes who don’t understand the life force bar and become frustrated when they realize that the necro they thought they had killed still has some health after death shroud.

In my opinion necro’s epidemic is slightly op and should probably only hit 3 nearby foes. Huge aoe damage from a class with such innate survivability is a little OP.

p.s.
To be a good necro you should read the pinned post about necro bugs.

i played against a team using double necro and condi thief to burn down targets and epidemic spam to pressure the whole group, it was scary. but! if that group were to go against a group with two warriors and a guardian then they should lose lose lose. every class has a counter, which is rule one of pvp.

Pickles.2908:

Having played necro for a very long time I think half the cries of OP-ness are strictly from foes who don’t understand the life force bar and become frustrated when they realize that the necro they thought they had killed still has some health after death shroud.

In my opinion necro’s epidemic is slightly op and should probably only hit 3 nearby foes. Huge aoe damage from a class with such innate survivability is a little OP.

p.s.
To be a good necro you should read the pinned post about necro bugs.

The cries of OP are because compared to any other Condi class in the game, Necros not only put out similar condition damage pressure (with higher burst due to burning/terror), but also a ton of cover conditions that make it very hard for anyone without a full cleanse to handle. Bleeds are almost always the first condition applied, which means they are the last out. On top of that in a single bleed rotation we’ll also apply weakness, cripple, chill, burning, and terror (more?), which means a lot of classes just cannot handle it, and even after using their cleanses they are still stuck with 15 or so long duration bleeds that they still can’t cleanse.

Necros are one of the major reasons that Mesmers just aren’t played right now. If a necro catches them with a condi burst they just can’t cleanse it.

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

LOL thats funny.

yeah , truth can be that at times..

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

LOL thats funny.

yeah , truth can be that at times..

Your truth you mean, but im not going any further.

tata~

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

LOL thats funny.

yeah , truth can be that at times..

Your truth you mean, but im not going any further.

tata~

That is useful.
I might as well call you names without further explanation.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

thrice.9184:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Warrior>Ranger>Necro=Engineer>Guardian=Thief>Mesmer>Ele.
1v1 with the well known builds.

sorta…

LOL thats funny.

yeah , truth can be that at times..

Your truth you mean, but im not going any further.

tata~

That is useful.
I might as well call you names without further explanation.

We can take this to Pm’s if you’d like no one will get in trouble that way….
slug it out there un-impeded by mods.
shrugs
It’s of no concern to me.