Guild Wars 2

From the patch notes:

“Vampiric: This trait now scales up 6 additional points with power for its damage and healing for its healing per attack.”

There is some discussion about this change in the patch notes thread, but no definite conclusions have been reached. I figured I’d start a separate thread for it so we can figure this out, and not have it get lost in the patch notes thread.

My understanding of the wording is that base values will remain the same, and then scale up to 6 additional damage and 6 additional healing based on the amount of Power and Healing Power you have. That being said, I’m at work for another 4 hours and can’t test it. What does everyone else think?

I agree with that interpretation, but also haven’t tested it. I’m interested in how much bonus power/healing is needed for each point increase.

I have 30 healing with just over 1.1k healing power

So I imagine that it will be the same in PvP and PvE, so here’s a few tests from the mists:

Damage:
916 power – 26 damage / hit
1560 power – 27 damage / hit
1910 power – 28 damage / hit
2279 power – 29 damage / hit

Heal:
150 HP (Minimum for Vampiric) – 26 health / hit
250 HP – 26 health / hit.
579 HP – 27 health / hit.
1173 HP – 30 health / hit.
1223 HP – 30 health / hit.

All of this was without bloodthirst (Which increases the damage and the heal) but it seems to show that the base values are the same, with scaling added directly on top.

that is only lousy ratio…

It isn’t meant to be a huge ratio.

They added the update note on the Patch Note, but they didn’t even worked the script for it, better taking time and fixing it in the next 2014 patch.

digiowl.9620:

that is only lousy ratio…

Really I should test it with bloodthirst, since if someone’s serious about a siphon tank, they had better be running bloodthirst.

Healing Power – Heal per hit:
150 – 39
629 – 42
1223 – 45

It looks like the ratio also improves by 1.5, as expected.

digiowl.9620:

that is only lousy ratio…

It is… BUT, I wanna see this tested with a full cleric build and Bloodthirsty… Might just be good enough to use.

It won’t make or break builds (I run a cleric build), but it is a small buff.

Did they change Vampiric Precision too or just Vampiric? I know the notes just say Vampiric but it seems strange to change one and not the other.

Am I missing something? The numbers you guys report makes it look completely worthless. Going from nothing to over 1k healing power gives you a measly 3 extra health per hit? How is that worth the investment?

Builds that have high healing power get that trait anyway, there’s no extra investment required.

lettucemode.3789:

Did they change Vampiric Precision too or just Vampiric? I know the notes just say Vampiric but it seems strange to change one and not the other.

As far as I can tell, it’s just Vampiric. Vampiric Rituals and vampiric precision didn’t seem to get this scaling,

It’s a baby step in the right direction.
When you think Ele/Guard heals is about 80 per sec to everyone around for a trait cost. Ele’s 6sig heals 200 + heal power. It would be nice if it did something more or was doubled ;-P

I’d love to see it heal you while in Death Shroud. And/Or the Bloodthirst also heal people around you.

On that note, i fear vampirics may be bugged now. noticed that it failed to show any green numbers while i ran around Gendarran Fields for a bit, even tho i had clearly taken damage and was carving up the mob in front of me. Could be that the “lovely” downscale bug is back…

Edit: ignore this, PEBKC error.

Xenon.4537:

Am I missing something? The numbers you guys report makes it look completely worthless. Going from nothing to over 1k healing power gives you a measly 3 extra health per hit? How is that worth the investment?

Nope, not missing anything. The scaling is nearly completely worthless. Does it scale? Yes. Does it significantly improve our sustain as blood necros or address the devs own admission that our life siphon is inadequate? NO!

A big disappointment as far as I’m concerned. Maybe…just maybe…there’s still hope. Given how easy it is for life siphoning to become OP, perhaps they’re taking baby steps to see how a lesser scaling amount impacts the game. Then – if Grenth is smiling upon us – we’ll see increases to the scaling with future updates.

“Blood necros; still waiting for the GW2 beta to end.”

Anet isn’t even testing his own new scripts before the release

I think this only means they added a flat 6 dmg and healing on the “Vampiric” minor trait.

it would make it much easier to theorize about this if our combat log was worth a crap…just saying…