Guild Wars 2

Hi everyone, here is my noobish question,

Let’s say i have 2 targets ahead of me and i’m casting some aoe spell, let’s say well of suffering, on them.

If my well of suffering crits, withering precision triggers for both of my targets, or just triggers for one target and the 20 seconds cooldown starts ? I really don’t know.

Just in case,

Withering Precision: Apply 5 seconds of weakness on critical hits. This effect can only trigger once every 20 seconds.

Ps: I can ask same question for Dhuumfire also.

Thanks for your time.

Aoe skills prioritize any proc or utility that comes with them on targets that are closest to the center and then going outwards.
So according to that order, once you proc Withering or Dhuum on one target the internal cooldown starts and can’t trigger on the next.

flow.6043:

Aoe skills prioritize any proc or utility that comes with them on targets that are closest to the center and then going outwards.
So according to that order, once you proc Withering or Dhuum on one target the internal cooldown starts and can’t trigger on the next.

Thanks for the excellent explanation. It explains why, in my experiments with Dhuumfire and marks, I’ve only ever gotten it to proc on one target. Although I’m also not sure that I’ve ever gotten a mark to crit on more than one target. (I’m guessing at a minimum that each target rolls separately to see if it gets crit — against the caster’s crit percentage — rather than a single roll by the caster.)

Druitt.7629:

flow.6043:

Aoe skills prioritize any proc or utility that comes with them on targets that are closest to the center and then going outwards.
So according to that order, once you proc Withering or Dhuum on one target the internal cooldown starts and can’t trigger on the next.

Thanks for the excellent explanation. It explains why, in my experiments with Dhuumfire and marks, I’ve only ever gotten it to proc on one target. Although I’m also not sure that I’ve ever gotten a mark to crit on more than one target. (I’m guessing at a minimum that each target rolls separately to see if it gets crit — against the caster’s crit percentage — rather than a single roll by the caster.)

Each target is its own seperate crit roll. Try playing a power mancer and you’ll see your Putrid Mark (staff 4) crit from anywhere between 2-5k on multiple targets.

Thanks for the clear explanations.

So the Withering Precision 20 second ICD is on me not my target? That means if I crit on 1 person in a zerg, I have to wait 20s to proc weakness via crit on anyone else? I haven’t touched the trait since the patch dropped, but I figured the ICD was on my target not on myself. If so, that makes this one of the kittenest 30pt traits in the game.

Out of curiosity, I tested this last night. I hit a mob with dagger until I crit and applied 1 stack of weakness. Then, I switched targets and attacked a second mob. Even with multiple crits, weakness was not applied until 20s. So it’s official, this is the crappiest 30pt we have now. I have to wait 20s to put 1 stack of weakness on 1 person. Meh, I think I’ll just blast finish chillblains for area weakness every 20s instead…for free….

Who on earth comes up with this stuff? The old version would have been op with the new weakness, but they could have kept the 25% on crit w/no icd (or even kitten icd) and just made it a 1 or 2s debuff. I already thought 10s icd on crit items/traits were stupid, but 20s icd on 1 crit really takes the cake. What’s the point of an “on crit” item if it’s rarely allowed to go off.

Yeah it was nerfed into the ground so its no longer viable as a source of weakness in pve because of the ICD. Which is why i now only go 25 into curses and rely on weakening shroud for aoe weakness.

spoj.9672:

Yeah it was nerfed into the ground so its no longer viable as a source of weakness in pve because of the ICD. Which is why i now only go 25 into curses and rely on weakening shroud for aoe weakness.

The sad part is that with weak shroud and dagger 5, in a condition build, you can keep weakness up 100% of the time now. That takes a weapon skill and a tier 1 major trait…. I think they were scared of making the 1v1 situation even more overpowering for necro, but what they really did was convince condition and power necromancers never to take 30 points in curses.

When I ran a 30/30/x power/hybrid necro, I would count on that weakness to be up all the time for the 2% dmg increase I would get from 25 in curses. I agree that now there’s no reason to go 30.

Well, depends on your build. I still go 30 Curses so I can have a combination of Terror, Spectral Atunement, and Master of Corruption.

But yeah, I called it before the patch that Withering Precision went from decent to absolute crap.

Ya, I should have clarified that. I meant no reason to go 30 for the trait. I still go 30 on my condition build for the terror, SA, and usually the enfeebling blood. I don’t go past 10 now in my power build, if I spec curses at all.