Guild Wars 2

I’m trying out a conditionmancer, and I wanted to how well Prayer to Lyssa (a human skill, i believe) is for you, whether you use it, etc.

Terribly! Use Corrupt Boon / Epidemic / something else instead! Really, that skill is just bad.

Wrong, Lyssa is universally better than corruption skills (since they are situational as a lasor cannon mounted on a sleeping stubborn donkey), the 12 second cooldown works really nice with a traited epidemic. Its on par with most utilites we got and better than a little chunk of them because of mesmer like dual effect it has on a low cooldown. Feel free to spam it (since you get the boon even if nothing is targeted), just a nice bit of specialized builds probably work better than a genera/condi working with lyss.

Andele.1306:

Wrong, Lyssa is universally better than corruption skills (since they are situational as a lasor cannon mounted on a sleeping stubborn donkey)

Eh… No. Just no.

Lyssa is a nice and cute gimmick, but, like most racial skills, that’s it.

If you’re making a condition build corruption skills will be your bread and butter. Blood is Power is fundamental, and Corrupt Boon is always worth having since it absolutely destroys boon users (which otherwise are a problem). The other slot will inevitably be used by either epidemic or a stun breaker.

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Andele.1306:

Wrong, Lyssa is universally better than corruption skills (since they are situational as a lasor cannon mounted on a sleeping stubborn donkey)

Eh… No. Just no.

Lyssa is a nice and cute gimmick, but, like most racial skills, that’s it.

If you’re making a condition build corruption skills will be your bread and butter. Blood is Power is fundamental, and Corrupt Boon is always worth having since it absolutely destroys boon users (which otherwise are a problem). The other slot will inevitably be used by either epidemic or a stun breaker.

Blood is power is a scepter attack that you dont have to bother with that much, but in general does little (no those 10 stacks of might aint worth that much for the skill slot), self condi as with all corruptions is nice for cc to get another heal proc but overall just ok, LF version was better, Epidemic is highly situational outside of being a zerg in wvwvw, Well of corruption is superior to corrupt boon in pve (the small amount of boons mobs might apply are in pulses either way) and cpc gets replaced by a food buff and/or plain going the condi trait line… So yeah corruption skills are objectively worse for than Lyss.

Its not as good as pain interveter (Asura racial), but its not like its hounds of balthazaar so yea if you can make it work go for it ^^

Andele.1306:

Blood is power is a scepter attack that you dont have to bother with that much, but in general does little (no those 10 stacks of might aint worth that much for the skill slot), self condi as with all corruptions is nice for cc to get another heal proc but overall just ok, LF version was better, Epidemic is highly situational outside of being a zerg in wvwvw, Well of corruption is superior to corrupt boon in pve (the small amount of boons mobs might apply are in pulses either way) and cpc gets replaced by a food buff and/or plain going the condi trait line… So yeah corruption skills are objectively worse for than Lyss.

You’re genuinely saying that 10 seconds of might (that’s 350 power and condition damage at level 80) for 12 seconds + up to 4 stacks of long duration bleeding (because as a condition necro you’ll easily flip your 2 stacks over) are kitten? But 1 random boon and 1 random condition for 5 seconds is the kitten?

And Corrupt Boon is balls because in PvE Well of corruption is superior…?

Just… Get out. Just get the kitten out. You know roughly as much Necro as I know quantum mechanics.

The actual drawback May Lyssa confound you! of Prayer to Lyssa is hearing May Lyssa confound you! your character chant the May Lyssa confound you! prayer every 12 seconds.

Edit: I guess they don’t yell it every time, my mistake.

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You’re genuinely saying that 10 seconds of might (that’s 350 power and condition damage at level 80) for 12 seconds + up to 4 stacks of long duration bleeding (because as a condition necro you’ll easily flip your 2 stacks over) are kitten? But 1 random boon and 1 random condition for 5 seconds is the kitten?

And Corrupt Boon is balls because in PvE Well of corruption is superior…?

Just… Get out. Just get the kitten out. You know roughly as much Necro as I know quantum mechanics.

Well then gratz Schrödinger since yeah, might is worth bugger since all basic damage boosts take your static stats into effect (reason why full exotic level 80 does better in a dungeon than a level 40 despite being downscaled to identical stats in AC) and the 4 long stacks (no matter what 4 you use to transfer em) of bleed are ok side thingy you get, but the 10 ~ 15 stacks of bleeding a condi necro should hold in a dungeon are easy to achive by spamming 1-2-5 S/D and 2 on staff.
On the other hand being able to get burning and confusion with a boon for yourself (that if i might remind you as condis dont get that much, perma regen and fury if you really wanna shroud hop that much and protection when you are half dead) is worth more, even CPC is better than BIP since it had a hard defined role, while BIP is like the Steam Box, even for rampager/hybrid build it has a weak defined role that mostly says, and i should use this over X or Y why? At least lyss is on a low cooldown and you get stuff you cannot normally get (despite it being random).

Also may Lyssa confound you!

Andele.1306:

Well then gratz Schrödinger since yeah, might is worth bugger since all basic damage boosts take your static stats into effect (reason why full exotic level 80 does better in a dungeon than a level 40 despite being downscaled to identical stats in AC) and the 4 long stacks (no matter what 4 you use to transfer em) of bleed are ok side thingy you get, but the 10 ~ 15 stacks of bleeding a condi necro should hold in a dungeon are easy to achive by spamming 1-2-5 S/D and 2 on staff.
On the other hand being able to get burning and confusion with a boon for yourself (that if i might remind you as condis dont get that much, perma regen and fury if you really wanna shroud hop that much and protection when you are half dead) is worth more, even CPC is better than BIP since it had a hard defined role, while BIP is like the Steam Box, even for rampager/hybrid build it has a weak defined role that mostly says, and i should use this over X or Y why? At least lyss is on a low cooldown and you get stuff you cannot normally get (despite it being random).

Also may Lyssa confound you!

This is very intriguing and I agree on all points that aren’t relevant.
However, all evidence to the contrary – citation; every conditionmancer ever.

Been testing it, and I was wrong. Your character doesn’t say the chant every time like I remembered.

Lyssa tends to apply a poison or a single bleed the most often. Burns are pretty rare, then there’s blinds, blind/chill, cripple, cripple/chill, weakness, and sometimes a single stack of vulnerability or vuln/chill. I have yet to see immobilize or confusion.

The boons for yourself are kind of nice. In fact, there’s a chance to get vigor! It’s an abysmally low chance and it only lasts for about 3 seconds (applied with 3 seconds of swiftness), but vigor! Otherwise though you’re fairly likely to get aegis or retaliation.

In any case, I’d rate the ‘random boon’ part of this skill much more highly than the ‘random condition’.

tl;dr – For a Necro, the condition from Lyssa is often worthless, but the boon can be a nice surprise. It’s unreliable though, so while it adds a little general survivability, it’s equally likely you’ll get a boon you can’t make full use of.

Somewhat off topic: Blood is Power on a conditionmancer is all about the 350 condition damage, imo. The long duration bleeds that will kill an opponent incapable of cleansing them is an excellent bonus, but secondary to the extra damage you’re doing with all the conditions you already stacked.

Softspoken.2410:

Lyssa tends to apply a poison or a single bleed the most often. Burns are pretty rare, then there’s blinds, blind/chill, cripple, cripple/chill, weakness, and sometimes a single stack of vulnerability or vuln/chill. I have yet to see immobilize or confusion.

In any case, I’d rate the ‘random boon’ part of this skill much more highly than the ‘random condition’.

Seems we got different luck since it almost never gave my anything except confusion… like even to get 1 vuln stack was weird (both when used on necro and mesmer) as for the boons, yep regen, aegis or retaliation. It cannot apply immob nor stability sadly.

Used to be one of my most used utilitys mainly because i also used runes of lyssa so it fit perfectly(not that it benefit from it) and it had a nice short cd. Guess some random protection boons or such did save my butt couple of times too. Condi part was always meh

I am surprised no one mentions the opportunity cost of this (unless I missed it above). I love the skill and would use it all the time if it would cast faster…. It basically take the place of a sceptor attack (or two with the aftercast), and gives you maybe a dangerous condition and a useful boon. Or it gives out a useless debuff and a boon you didn’t need.

Having to spend 3/4 of a second in cast every 12 seconds is huge downtime…. if it had a 1/4 second cast, I would use it much more often in duel type scenarios. I tend to agree that pain inverter is better, or rather was better before condition got neutered.