Guild Wars 2

Do you guys think that DS should proc “on weapon swap” sigils?

Elementalists class mechanic is attunement swapping. When you swap attunements, you proc the “on swap” sigils. Granted, they only have one weapon set but it allows for 4 swaps.

Our class mechanic is DS. When we jump into DS, we have a whole new set of skills. DS uses some of the characteristics of the weapon we have equipped while we are in DS (eg modifier sigils). I don’t see any reason why DS should not count as a weapon swap. The “near to death” every 6 second crap argument we have seen for so many things recently is a null point due to ICD on many weapon swap sigils.

No. It’s clearly not a swap as we still run weapon trait buffs while in DS.

Nagato no Kami.4980:

No. It’s clearly not a swap as we still run weapon trait buffs while in DS.

I’m not sure that makes a difference. You’re still swapping a whole set of weapon skills

Even if it does make a difference, it’s only partially true. Yes, axe training increases DS damage but it doesn’t reduce the cooldown of DS skills. Nor does dagger mastery

Weapon swap = healing and utility skills still usable. ex. kits, bundles, attunement
Transformation = no access to healing and utility skills. ex. Rampage, Tornado, Elixir X & S, Mist Form, Lich and Plague forms, DS

Are you asking why on-weapon-swap sigils does not work with Transformation?

Im glad its not considered a weapon swap because i dont think we would recieve the benefits of the trait “Axe Training” while in deathshroud if it was considered so.

morokris.8462:

Weapon swap = healing and utility skills still usable. ex. kits, bundles, attunement
Transformation = no access to healing and utility skills. ex. Rampage, Tornado, Elixir X & S, Mist Form, Lich and Plague forms, DS

Are you asking why on-weapon-swap sigils does not work with Transformation?

I understand the arguement but it is not entirely true. DS is not identified as a true transformation. The wiki refers to it as similar to a transformation, but it is not a transformation. All transformations change base stats. DS does not. All transformations are on long cooldown (with the exception of elixir x), DS is on the same cooldown as a weapon swap.

Troll.4237:

Im glad its not considered a weapon swap because i dont think we would recieve the benefits of the trait “Axe Training” while in deathshroud if it was considered so.

I dont know if it would or wouldnt if it were considered a weapon swap. I play a power necro so I had the same though but you have to consider other builds. There is basically one build that really utilizes this. All builds would be able to benefit from “on weapon swap” sigils proc while going into death shroud. Run superior sigil of battle and theres 3 might right there for power builds.

I am pretty sure CD and stats changing is not what defines a transformation given that using a tonic to turn into a dolyak is also a transformation, but even ignoring that…

Probably the reason Anet made sure attunement changing triggered on-swap sigils is because Eles cannot weapon swap. They are stuck with one weapon set meaning without attunement changing triggering it they would have no access to those sigils. That is not the case for necros.

Cufufalating.8479:

I am pretty sure CD and stats changing is not what defines a transformation given that using a tonic to turn into a dolyak is also a transformation, but even ignoring that…

Again, DS is not considered a transform like Lich, Plague, etc. It is similar in that you are locked out of utility skills but the game does not consider it a transform.

Another example:
You lose your minions on transforms. You don’t in death shroud

Stat changing is very relevant to what makes a transformation a transformation. Transformations boost stats. This is huge. DS does not. Tonics are a null point – they are not a real part of gameplay.

while we’re on the topic of DS, do you think that there should be different DS skills depending on the weapons you’re currently holding? Maybe the current DS skills would apply to staff, and dagger might have something a little more melee-oriented, but with a slightly larger melee range/radius. Axe DS might have a larger Aoe cleave auto-attack OR an auto-attack like the risen’s shadow orb. If u don’t know what that is, it looks like the Ele’s vapor blade, except its green and fires 3 projectiles.
A change like this might be nice, but there would have to be a lot to rework/test

Well I’m glad it’s not, but only because I use leeching si girls and it’d just absorb my healing :/