Guild Wars 2

I am reading mixed opinions on whether or not power or condi is the best necro build for fractals? I am also getting mixed opinions on whether or not necro is even a strong fractal class.

I was hoping to create a thread with a bit more in depth discussion for both power and condi sides. I see that qtfy posts a more condi based build, but metabattle’s top rated necro fractal build is power reaper. I personally am playing power reaper right now, and am enjoying it, however I haven’t even broken T2 yet and haven’t touched condi since returning to the game a month ago, thus my opinion wont be of much use.

If anyone has some deep insight to this, please share, and thank you!

To me: if you use food and nourishment condition deals more damage, can help better your team weakening mobs, blinding them more often and destroy projectiles without lose too much dps (power builds usually don’t bring condi transfer)

Would you say that metabattle’s rating is off then? And that qtfy is more accurate to most beneficial builds for given scenarios?

Pilgor.4795:

Would you say that metabattle’s rating is off then? And that qtfy is more accurate to most beneficial builds for given scenarios?

Metabattle rating for power is so high because it takes some real creativity to die as power reaper.

Condi will bring more damage on table though.

Clearly the class performs well enough, as it seems about 1 in 3 people I see in fractals is playing reaper. I favor power myself, and I can affirm that it is reliable as high as scale 100. I’ve been trying to work in a chance for challenge mode on Nightmare, as I shamefully have not done that yet. (I joined a group today, but it dissolved before beginning.)

Nox Lucis.8341:

Clearly the class performs well enough, as it seems about 1 in 3 people I see in fractals is playing reaper. I favor power myself, and I can affirm that it is reliable as high as scale 100. I’ve been trying to work in a chance for challenge mode on Nightmare, as I shamefully have not done that yet. (I joined a group today, but it dissolved before beginning.)

Glad to hear this. I would prefer scale 100 fractals as my endgame content because raids seem too strict for me. I love power reaper playstyle myself. There’s just something satisfying with using a big GS to mash opponents into dead matter. Sadly, I got caught with what’s considered “meta” and started collecting viper trinkets because I’m new. But it’s not bad to have both I guess.

Doesn’t hurt to have both anyway. When I get bored with power I switch to condi and then back. Seeing enemies melt under ton of conditions is just as satisfying. Plaguemancer ftw )

Not to mention that gathering ascended HoT trinkets doesn’t overlap with 3-stat trinkets at all.

Jinn Galen.2468:

Nox Lucis.8341:

Clearly the class performs well enough, as it seems about 1 in 3 people I see in fractals is playing reaper. I favor power myself, and I can affirm that it is reliable as high as scale 100. I’ve been trying to work in a chance for challenge mode on Nightmare, as I shamefully have not done that yet. (I joined a group today, but it dissolved before beginning.)

Glad to hear this. I would prefer scale 100 fractals as my endgame content because raids seem too strict for me. I love power reaper playstyle myself. There’s just something satisfying with using a big GS to mash opponents into dead matter. Sadly, I got caught with what’s considered “meta” and started collecting viper trinkets because I’m new. But it’s not bad to have both I guess.

Try Valk with a little Zerk. Better to have a fat lifeforce pool than to waste stats by regularly shooting up to 150% crit chance.

Im a big advocate for power. Alone you can stack 25 might 25 vuln, and have 100% crit rate..

Simply put, qT’s fractal reaper section is outdated imo. Right now without full buffs, unless you are using the soul reaper condi GS build. That death magic reaper does the same dps/utility as a power reaper.

Death magic reaper is about 9k dps, power GS is about 8.1, and the soulreaping condi GS build is about 11k, solo.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBHbhG2JzmQ5mY7mg1mA9mY5XwoyCfhgV8R8JeFh+SBgPAA-T1ROABar+jRaEeXJIMK/ISPQxaCAY/BA-w

This is what i used when i use to do fracs alot 25/25 might/vuln build, tankish

FrostDraco.8306:

Simply put, qT’s fractal reaper section is outdated imo. Right now without full buffs, unless you are using the soul reaper condi GS build. That death magic reaper does the same dps/utility as a power reaper.

Death magic reaper is about 9k dps, power GS is about 8.1, and the soulreaping condi GS build is about 11k, solo.

When you say 9k dps, is this on the same scale of when they state elementalist dps being something like 34k? Or are you quoting a different scale?

Mystogan.4157:

Im a big advocate for power. Alone you can stack 25 might 25 vuln, and have 100% crit rate..

Do you utilize the build on metabattle? The power reaper? I guess my only concern is that the power gear wont be useful on Mesmer or Ele, whereas if I craft Vipers ascended at least I can use it on other characters. I just keep doubting necro as a viable main

I’m new to Necromancer and just gearing up mine. I decided to go for the condition build simply because my main character is a power thief, and I really doubt that power necro could compete with that. I already now how it feels to go full berserker and how much damage you can hand out, and for my necro, going for conditions really seems appropriate. It’s the classic damage source for this class in my experience, and for a power-based character, other classes are better. Necro has so many skills and traits that use conditions, won’t they become less useful if you build a power-reaper?

As I said, I’m new to necro, but that build Mystogan posted has the Reaper elite traited but no Greatsword equipped. Coming from thief, that looks weird to me, since thief’s elite is only really useful if you equip the weapon for it, in this case staff.

As I know , the Reaper was supposed to be à Dps spec right ?

Faaris.8013:

I’m new to Necromancer and just gearing up mine. I decided to go for the condition build simply because my main character is a power thief, and I really doubt that power necro could compete with that. I already now how it feels to go full berserker and how much damage you can hand out, and for my necro, going for conditions really seems appropriate. It’s the classic damage source for this class in my experience, and for a power-based character, other classes are better. Necro has so many skills and traits that use conditions, won’t they become less useful if you build a power-reaper?

As I said, I’m new to necro, but that build Mystogan posted has the Reaper elite traited but no Greatsword equipped. Coming from thief, that looks weird to me, since thief’s elite is only really useful if you equip the weapon for it, in this case staff.

You couldnt be more wrong. The thiefs ult is for insta stomping. You dont need the weapon to use it. I use s/d and i use the ult to quickly turn a 2v1 in to an instant 1v1. nO STAFF needed, the staff is a one trick pony too. The gs for reaper is for dps and control, axe is ranged and applies alot of vuln, focus helps dps. If your mad about no gs just switch d/wh, youll just have less life force regen. You dont need your new weapon to becone viable. And every class has options to go condition and power. Dont be so narrow minded. Also if your going condi and use gs, your doing it wrong

Pilgor.4795:

Mystogan.4157:

Im a big advocate for power. Alone you can stack 25 might 25 vuln, and have 100% crit rate..

Do you utilize the build on metabattle? The power reaper? I guess my only concern is that the power gear wont be useful on Mesmer or Ele, whereas if I craft Vipers ascended at least I can use it on other characters. I just keep doubting necro as a viable main

If you plan to use asc on myltiple char, your best bet is to craft vipers, mauraders or zerkers for armor and fill in the holes with weapons and trinks. Most of your stats come from weaps and trinks. I dont like metabattle somethings vary person to person and you should do what suits you. Such as i prefer d/wh over gs for mobility and s little more life force

Mystogan.4157:

You couldnt be more wrong. The thiefs ult is for insta stomping. You dont need the weapon to use it. I use s/d and i use the ult to quickly turn a 2v1 in to an instant 1v1. nO STAFF needed, the staff is a one trick pony too. The gs for reaper is for dps and control, axe is ranged and applies alot of vuln, focus helps dps. If your mad about no gs just switch d/wh, youll just have less life force regen. You dont need your new weapon to becone viable. And every class has options to go condition and power. Dont be so narrow minded. Also if your going condi and use gs, your doing it wrong

I know that you don’t need the elite weapon to use the elite trait line. Although, the extra 10% damage from Staff Master as Daredevil make a difference. Every thief I see in fractals uses staff + X, mostly double pistols. Nobody uses sword or dagger in fractals. What is the scenario in fractals where you need to turn a 2 vs 1 into a 1 vs 1 anyway? How does your S/D combination do against the hordes in Urban Battleground or in the Underground fractal? Staff is clearly superior in fractals.

I’m not sure I can trust your judgement about necro Greatsword either, since you are using S/D with thief in fractals. qtfy.eu put a condition reaper build up with Greatsword btw.

http://qtfy.eu/build/Necromancer

So apparently those people do it wrong too, according to your judgement.

I dont pve with my thief. Only good for zerker dps and he dies in 1 hit almost always. I usually use my nexro or mesmer. S/d can handle 1vx well. The key is to seperste the melee from the ranged, and then port to the back line to dps the other class down. Keep them seperated. As for necro fracs im just not a big fan of gs necro some like it others dont

Pilgor.4795:

FrostDraco.8306:

Simply put, qT’s fractal reaper section is outdated imo. Right now without full buffs, unless you are using the soul reaper condi GS build. That death magic reaper does the same dps/utility as a power reaper.

Death magic reaper is about 9k dps, power GS is about 8.1, and the soulreaping condi GS build is about 11k, solo.

When you say 9k dps, is this on the same scale of when they state elementalist dps being something like 34k? Or are you quoting a different scale?

It’s for solo dps, on a golem using simple rotations that can easily be done in fractals.