Taken from the new Dec. 14th patch notes
“Terror: Damage is increased by 50% if the target has any conditions on them.”
My assumption is that this is a typo and the intended (and probable implemented effect) is that it is an additional 5%, similar to engineers and guardians(burning only).
If I could get a clarification on this that would be great
Taken from the new Dec. 14th patch notes
“Terror: Damage is increased by 50% if the target has any conditions on them.”
My assumption is that this is a typo and the intended (and probable implemented effect) is that it is an additional 5%, similar to engineers and guardians(burning only).
If I could get a clarification on this that would be great
I believe the patch note is referring to the damage that the Terror trait does, not the damage done by the Necromancer in general. I also believe it means a condition besides Fear.
Yeah, 50% bonus damage if the target has a condition would be ludicrously broken.
Mixing insults with your post is like pooping in a salad.
It’s pretty obvious, and nobody’s impressed.
The terror trait is a trait that makes fear deal damage. I get how you could read it the way you have implied, but logic states they just buffed the fear damage…. Consequently I have no idea why they would do this, as it is already the most powerful condition the game…. pre-buff.
The terror trait is a trait that makes fear deal damage. I get how you could read it the way you have implied, but logic states they just buffed the fear damage…. Consequently I have no idea why they would do this, as it is already the most powerful condition the game…. pre-buff.
Agreed, Fear damage is now the most damaging duration-stacking condition in the game.
Base Damage @ 80:
Burn: 328
Fear: 362
Coefficient Damage @ 80:
Burn: .25 * Condition Damage stat
Fear: .30 * Condition Damage stat
Not only did Fear deal more damage pre-patch than Burning, but the new Terror truly makes it shine.
I know it’d be comparing apples to oranges, but Confusion damage in PvE/WvW is still the king of all conditions. Dealing over 8k dmg per tick on a 25-stack w/ 1350 condition damage.
The terror trait is a trait that makes fear deal damage. I get how you could read it the way you have implied, but logic states they just buffed the fear damage…. Consequently I have no idea why they would do this, as it is already the most powerful condition the game…. pre-buff.
Burn is still the most powerful duration-stacking condition in the game in terms of both base damage and after the {condition coefficient*condition damage} is added.
Base Damage @ 80:
Burn: 328
Fear: 120
Coefficient Damage @ 80:
Burn: .25 * Condition Damage stat
Fear: .15 * Condition Damage stat
I’ll do some testing in-game now to see if the 50% is applied pre or post coefficient calculation.
Either way it’s still going to tick less than a burn since burn’s base is 273% greater than fear @ 80 and Burn’s coefficient applies 66% more condition damage than Terror does to Fear, pre-patch. A 50% flat damage increase shouldn’t dethrone burn.
I know it’d be comparing apples to oranges, but Confusion damage in PvE/WvW is still the king of all conditions. Dealing over 8k dmg per tick on a 25-stack w/ 1350 condition damage.
That formula for terror that you got from the wiki isn’t correct. Its 30% malice + 364 base.
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Just finished testing in-game (Gendarran Fields [scaled to level 31]). The 50% extra damage is applied at the very end.
Mob w/ no conditions: 186 dmg per tick of Fear
Mob w/ conditions: 280 dmg per tick of Fear
186 * 1.50 = 279
The math is simple and works.
Yes I agree, that your math works for 50% increase. Your base math is way off as was mentioned, wiki is wrong. See attach. This was around 2k condition damage… but still.
The terror trait is a trait that makes fear deal damage. I get how you could read it the way you have implied, but logic states they just buffed the fear damage…. Consequently I have no idea why they would do this, as it is already the most powerful condition the game…. pre-buff.
Burn is still the most powerful duration-stacking condition in the game in terms of both base damage and after the {condition coefficient*condition damage} is added.
Base Damage @ 80:
Burn: 328
Fear: 120
Coefficient Damage @ 80:
Burn: .25 * Condition Damage stat
Fear: .15 * Condition Damage stat
I’ll do some testing in-game now to see if the 50% is applied pre or post coefficient calculation.
Either way it’s still going to tick less than a burn since burn’s base is 273% greater than fear @ 80 and Burn’s coefficient applies 66% more condition damage than Terror does to Fear, pre-patch. A 50% flat damage increase shouldn’t dethrone burn.
I know it’d be comparing apples to oranges, but Confusion damage in PvE/WvW is still the king of all conditions. Dealing over 8k dmg per tick on a 25-stack w/ 1350 condition damage.
That formula for terror that you got from the wiki isn’t correct. Its 30% malice + 364 base.
That makes sense, just tested in-game. Updating the numbers in my previous post accordingly – Rennoko is absolutely right, like always – this makes Fear the strongest duration-stacking condition in the game by a decent margin !
Just tested in the mists naked.
w/ 200 condition damage, damage per tick was 422
.3 * 200 = 60
422 – 60 = 362 base
362 = 2 + (4.5 * Level)
w/ 1393 condition damage, damage per tick was 780
.3 * 1393 = 418
418 + 362 (base) = 780
w/ 1393 condition damage, damage per tick when mob has a condition on it was 1171
Thanks for the corrections, Alanis and Rennoko; I’ve updated the wiki entry for Terror to match the in-game tooltip and I fixed the incorrect coefficient / base damage note.
Another cool thing to note is that since Doom has a tiny direct damage component to it which can crit, if your Doom crits a mob, it will proc a Barbed Precision bleed, then you’ll automatically get the +50% dmg for having a condition other than Fear on the mob. Same thing applies for the direct damage from Reaper’s Mark if it crits.
