Guild Wars 2

The 6 bonus on Perplexity runes applies 3 stacks of confusion in a radius around the user when you use your heal skill, or it would if it weren’t completely negated by the blind.

By chance alone, I stumbled upon this. I’m sure somebody else has probably had encountered it too but perhaps this might be enough to get ANet to either ‘fix’ it or change Consume Conditions so it’s no longer a Corruption skill?

Oh aye. Of all the changes to Necromancer, making Consume Conditions a corruption was by far one of the worst. It’s supposed to remove our condi’s not give us more. *rage

Going to be entirely honest with you, you shouldn’t be using Perplexity runes anyway. We have so many way better Rune options for all sorts of different builds, such as Thorns, 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper, Undead, Antitoxin, Krait, Scavenging, Aristocracy, and Grenth. Of all Condition-based options, Perplexity has the least synergy with our class, and it’s not like we terribly desire an additional cover condition so much that we sacrifice our entire rune slot for it.

Zero Solstice.9754:

Going to be entirely honest with you, you shouldn’t be using Perplexity runes anyway. We have so many way better Rune options for all sorts of different builds, such as Thorns, 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper, Undead, Antitoxin, Krait, Scavenging, Aristocracy, and Grenth. Of all Condition-based options, Perplexity has the least synergy with our class, and it’s not like we terribly desire an additional cover condition so much that we sacrifice our entire rune slot for it.

Perplexity was a perfectly fine option until they reworked the rune. I’m very much aware of all of those things as I’m not new to necro but thanks anyway.

Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that the way the 6 bonus on those runes interacts with Consume Conditions, when traited for Master of Corruptions, is borked.

Usagi.4835:

Zero Solstice.9754:

Going to be entirely honest with you, you shouldn’t be using Perplexity runes anyway. We have so many way better Rune options for all sorts of different builds, such as Thorns, 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper, Undead, Antitoxin, Krait, Scavenging, Aristocracy, and Grenth. Of all Condition-based options, Perplexity has the least synergy with our class, and it’s not like we terribly desire an additional cover condition so much that we sacrifice our entire rune slot for it.

Perplexity was a perfectly fine option until they reworked the rune. I’m very much aware of all of those things as I’m not new to necro but thanks anyway.

Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that the way the 6 bonus on those runes interacts with Consume Conditions, when traited for Master of Corruptions, is borked.

Perplexity was only a fine Rune option before it was nerfed because Base Condi Necro actually did need access to an additional damaging condi to be able to burst kill people, and it synergized well with Terror which was naturally interrupt-heavy.

At the end of the day you’re complaining about a non-bo interaction for a specific scenario on a class that shouldn’t be running the Rune to begin with. New to the class or not, your decision-making needs some help.

Zero Solstice.9754:

Usagi.4835:

Zero Solstice.9754:

Going to be entirely honest with you, you shouldn’t be using Perplexity runes anyway. We have so many way better Rune options for all sorts of different builds, such as Thorns, 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper, Undead, Antitoxin, Krait, Scavenging, Aristocracy, and Grenth. Of all Condition-based options, Perplexity has the least synergy with our class, and it’s not like we terribly desire an additional cover condition so much that we sacrifice our entire rune slot for it.

Perplexity was a perfectly fine option until they reworked the rune. I’m very much aware of all of those things as I’m not new to necro but thanks anyway.

Even so, it doesn’t change the fact that the way the 6 bonus on those runes interacts with Consume Conditions, when traited for Master of Corruptions, is borked.

Perplexity was only a fine Rune option before it was nerfed because Base Condi Necro actually did need access to an additional damaging condi to be able to burst kill people, and it synergized well with Terror which was naturally interrupt-heavy.

At the end of the day you’re complaining about a non-bo interaction for a specific scenario on a class that shouldn’t be running the Rune to begin with. New to the class or not, your decision-making needs some help.

Mate, perhaps you might benefit from some introspection of your own, given how passive-aggressive you’re being. I didn’t ask for your advice and you had nothing of relevance to add besides some pepperings of holier-than-thou. I was switching armour from another class that was using Perplexity runes, not that I or anyone else should have to explain anything to you lol.

It wasn’t necessary either for base condi necro, prior to the trait revamp and HoT, to use Perplexity runes. Weakening Shroud, Terror, Path of Corruption and Signet of Spite provided more than enough condi application. Perplex was cheese but then how other people play doesn’t really fall under my remit, does it?

Take your snark elsewhere.

Test it under different conditions to see if its a universal problem or unique to Perplexity.

It’s not unique to Perplexity. I’ve tested with Balthazar runes and, given that the 6 bonus on those runes functions the same way, you can imagine what would happen. And with Torment runes too, though I haven’t tested with those since I’m povo as kitten.

With Perplexity, regardless of whether or not you’re in combat, after you use your heal, you’ll see a pink aura (similar in appearance to Alacrity) radiate from your character. It will clear the blind but that’s happenstance.

Point being, the way a traited heal interacts with certain runesets is not ideal.

Usagi.4835:

Mate, perhaps you might benefit from some introspection of your own, given how passive-aggressive you’re being. I didn’t ask for your advice and you had nothing of relevance to add besides some pepperings of holier-than-thou. I was switching armour from another class that was using Perplexity runes, not that I or anyone else should have to explain anything to you lol.

It wasn’t necessary either for base condi necro, prior to the trait revamp and HoT, to use Perplexity runes. Weakening Shroud, Terror, Path of Corruption and Signet of Spite provided more than enough condi application. Perplex was cheese but then how other people play doesn’t really fall under my remit, does it?

Take your snark elsewhere.

I’ll take it wherever I want it, thanks for the concern. If I really wanted you to feel bad, I would have simply said that I think you’re a kitten for requesting a nerf to an ability or a fundamental change to a Rune set on the basis of “it should work because I want it to”, but I didn’t do that because there are better ways of giving people information.

You know, like I did in my first post where I gave you a minor slog of better options and reasons why you shouldn’t run Perplexity?

Besides, you can’t complain about passive-aggression when you yourself are doing the same thing, and on top of that: You kinda did it first.
“I’m very much aware of all of those things as I’m not new to necro but thanks anyway.”
Funny how that works hmm?

Then you feel like telling me I contributed nothing of relevance when the only other post on the thread at the time was “Yeah! F MoC+CC!”? You can be happy that I responded at all or not, but in either case not all things have to work for everything all the time, and this is a prime example. You want better synergy with Perplexity and similar variants? Just run “Your Soul is Mine!” and call it a day. There’s no reason to nerf a strong ability+trait combination just because you feel entitled to running some other class’ armor on your Necromancer.

Zero Solstice.9754:

Usagi.4835:

Mate, perhaps you might benefit from some introspection of your own, given how passive-aggressive you’re being. I didn’t ask for your advice and you had nothing of relevance to add besides some pepperings of holier-than-thou. I was switching armour from another class that was using Perplexity runes, not that I or anyone else should have to explain anything to you lol.

It wasn’t necessary either for base condi necro, prior to the trait revamp and HoT, to use Perplexity runes. Weakening Shroud, Terror, Path of Corruption and Signet of Spite provided more than enough condi application. Perplex was cheese but then how other people play doesn’t really fall under my remit, does it?

Take your snark elsewhere.

I’ll take it wherever I want it, thanks for the concern. If I really wanted you to feel bad, I would have simply said that I think you’re a kitten for requesting a nerf to an ability or a fundamental change to a Rune set on the basis of “it should work because I want it to”, but I didn’t do that because there are better ways of giving people information.

You know, like I did in my first post where I gave you a minor slog of better options and reasons why you shouldn’t run Perplexity?

Besides, you can’t complain about passive-aggression when you yourself are doing the same thing, and on top of that: You kinda did it first.
“I’m very much aware of all of those things as I’m not new to necro but thanks anyway.”
Funny how that works hmm?

Then you feel like telling me I contributed nothing of relevance when the only other post on the thread at the time was “Yeah! F MoC+CC!”? You can be happy that I responded at all or not, but in either case not all things have to work for everything all the time, and this is a prime example. You want better synergy with Perplexity and similar variants? Just run “Your Soul is Mine!” and call it a day. There’s no reason to nerf a strong ability+trait combination just because you feel entitled to running some other class’ armor on your Necromancer.

Well, you didn’t? You volunteered your advice but my point still stands: what has that got to do with the fact that a traited Consume Conditions, for all intents and purposes, doesn’t function properly with a number of runesets?

I certainly didn’t ask for a nerf. To suggest as much is fallacious. In fact, for people who don’t run Master of Corruptions, a reversion of CC to its previous state might even be seen as a buff (if you could even call it that) if you’re comparing untraited base cooldowns and no self-applied conditions. If somebody wants to run Consume Conditions, why shouldn’t it work properly with Balthazar, Tormenting, Perplexity et al?
For the sake of ‘build diversity’, shouldn’t they work with all heals? Nobody gives a kitten about what you think or whether it’s sub-optimal. Again, how people choose to play is their business. Not yours. Not mine.

I don’t want to run Perplexity on my necro. It’s not about anything I want. It’s about fixing something that probably wasn’t intended so why you’re being… the way you are… eludes me. Truly.

I really honestly don’t give a kitten. I didn’t ask for your advice (yet you still so kindly return to volunteer it) nor did I ask for a tour of necro through the ages.

I don’t feel entitled to anything but sometimes I share armour between my characters because I’m povo hence the OP. I’d ask you to stop being presumptuous about how I play or what my intentions are but I don’t think it’ll work with you. Any suggestions?

I used perplexity runes in the mad king’s labyrinth one year just as an experiment. This was, of course, before expertise. Since the experiment, confusion changed, and the runes changed.

Necromancer still has no condition damage bursting. All it can do is 11111111111111111111 on sceptre to build up a bleed stack.

Why Necromancer does not apply more bleeds for a shorter duration to shorten the dps lag, I do not know.

Why would you want it to work differently? Being able to get a rune to automatically clear that blind is extremely useful.

The blind is only cleared if there’s anything within a 240 radius around you which would require some luck on your part or otherwise poor play from your opponent. I don’t see it as particularly important as I don’t use any of those runesets but figured I’d point it out.

Necro was able to condi burst reliably but I feel that’s as much to do with the state of other classes (read: current powercreep across the whole game). As it stands, condi mesmer, for instance, is able to quickly apply anywhere from 2-4 conditions (depending on traits) with a single shatter though I imagine the lack of burst might be because necro is in a unique position where it can manage conditions and, to a lesser extent, boons through transfers and corrupts.

So I just tried rune of grenth in the spvp area, and it doesn’t consume the blind and does apply the chill (while leaving the blind on you)

There’s an inconsistency then. I got the same result but if you try with Balthazar, for instance, it misses and clears the blind. Tormenting works also, doesn’t clear the blind but applies the 2 stacks. Well whatever, I don’t care anymore.

Almost 2017 and people still use perplexity?

Yes, but not on my Necro.