Guild Wars 2

You die.
100-0.
You know you will die 10 second before.
You cant cast or move.

Every single time you need to heavily outplay someone and it takes too long to kill. Its not a unique feature to kill someone after the blow CDs.
If we win, were too slow to capitalize on it.
Instantly die in 1v2, great.

Theres simply too much random dodge and randomly ups im dead moments.

Its not worth playing necro and it isnt fun.

Unfamiliar with current meta. Why is necro not viable this season?

FrownyClown.8402:

Unfamiliar with current meta. Why is necro not viable this season?

Everything that everybody said 100 times. Each detail stacks up.

It is viable for everyone cz of the skill difference as the majority is average enough to make enough mistakes to allow necro to not stand out.

BUt im not as much complaining that were last class or 10th build, its more the gameplay you get is not fun, youre unable to carry, relly on teammates being good and enemy being bad.

Oh well, that’s why there is 8 other professions you can play.

Flumek.9043:

You die.
100-0.
You know you will die 10 second before.
You cant cast or move.

Every single time you need to heavily outplay someone and it takes too long to kill. Its not a unique feature to kill someone after the blow CDs.
If we win, were too slow to capitalize on it.
Instantly die in 1v2, great.

Theres simply too much random dodge and randomly ups im dead moments.

Its not worth playing necro and it isnt fun.

Dev’s would say, “Ltp.”

I say, “Why beat a dead horse? Everyone knows Necro needs an escort or three.”

Dunno if it’s just me but i have a lot of fun.
Sure, there are rounds where i’m heavily focused and will die eventually but most of the time i can hold up pretty well.

Then don’t play it. GW2 is pretty alt friendly, you don’t get punished for making a bunch of characters, especially if you’re doing PvP where you don’t even need ascended gear.

I understand that you may be in a position where you want to like Necromancer but if it’s unenjoyable for you, it might be better to set it aside and revisit it at another time. Perhaps get familiar with a different profession, spend some time looking for what suits you.

Necromancer definitely has some glaring weaknesses that put it in a really tough spot, at least in PvP and PvE raids. But it’s still an extremely powerful, and for most who play it, an enjoyable profession.

I’ve stuck with Necro and Ranger for over 3 years. If you’ve been here that long, you know how bad those two professions have had it through out Gw2’s lifespan. There have been times it has bothered me, absolutely, but I value the fun I have with these two professions more than I value their efficiency. That’s just personal opinion, but I’m just saying that it’s important to remember why you play this game – to have fun!

Instead of complaining about your lack of viability why not figure out what you can do to stay alive. The meta necro build is cool and all but the skills you actually need to survive aren’t in there so think critically and test out different things.

Dirame.8521:

Instead of complaining about your lack of viability why not figure out what you can do to stay alive. The meta necro build is cool and all but the skills you actually need to survive aren’t in there so think critically and test out different things.

While i applaud your comment and way more people should think this way i don’t see it coming.

We need a counter-meta, something where people think: Okay, this is “viable” at the moment but where are it’s weaknesses, how can i use those for my advantage.

But the fact that every player even asking simple questions in any part of the game is straight forward shown the way to a guide and told: “This is how you play” goes completely against that.

The community just doesn’t promote critical thinking.

With the growing number of ele’s and druids coming out of the woodwork to counter all the dragonhunters, I find having a necro on my team to be a huge necessity for the first time in a while.

Its not fun if you have terrible bad team and no teamplay. The class only works if your team can pressure enemies or help you sometimes otherwise its a useless kitten spending most of your time trying to run away from enemy zergs. ( and fail because of no damage avoidance skills and bad mobility if you want a bit better mobility you have to drop key utilities which makes you crap again for having a bit more mobility )
its the weak class of guild wars 2 that can’t survive good on it’s own as the more people attack you. but even in 1v1 some classes first dps rotation almost kill you, they have very high burst to attack a class without damage avoidance skills while also easy to kite reaper’s shroud. skilled pvp players play ping pong game and stunlock, interrupt cc spam game etc. with your poor necro. cant disengage and reset fights fast etc. and almost only good for boon corruption and thats it.

Ele has been healbot for a year.
It is a strong, no must have pick and not hard to get minimun value.

It is meta, but many simply dont enjoy it.
Im getting more and more of that feeling being a punching bag. A bottom tier punching bag.

You feel it good especially if you are full solo player necro that never group up like me.

My advice is roll another class and wait if something fix happens to necro viability so its more viable for solo play so you also can have a bit of fun if you get bad team in solo q with 0 pvp skill or 0 teamplay skill. Maybe if you try other class for some weeks you never want to go back necro- A lot of players go for Guardian and Warrior etc for ez mode wins/kills and even if they die they can say: lol at you enemy atleast i’ve survived like a BOSS and wasted a lot of your time to have my team more chance to win the game.

I like my necro as i like the playstyle but it isn’t worth my time for pure solo q conquest and also there are classes i would be even better and more annoying to play against than on necro easier so i think i will retire it.

Dont know what do you mean by not fun. I owns in 1v1 almost all the time. thieves just running away from me and DH get killed in their own traps since they think they are immortal inside it. Maaaan it is l2p issue……hotjoin is so eaasy

Flumek.9043:

You die.
100-0.
You know you will die 10 second before.
You cant cast or move.

Every single time you need to heavily outplay someone and it takes too long to kill. Its not a unique feature to kill someone after the blow CDs.
If we win, were too slow to capitalize on it.
Instantly die in 1v2, great.

Theres simply too much random dodge and randomly ups im dead moments.

Its not worth playing necro and it isnt fun.

I agree. Necro isn’t fun because you either dominate given the correct support from team mates (which never happens). Or you get crushed and farmed all game because you don’t have the support. We have no dodges, no evades, nothing. Compare that with mesmer. Look at mesmer shield for example. That is just so much better than anything a necro has.

You can have success with a necro but chances are anything else if you put the same time into it you would do way better.

But the main issue, as the OP says, is that necro isn’t fun. You just die so fast.

I hate to say this, but necro needs significant buffs to things like life stealing and unholy sanctuary trait to make it able to do a bit more healing in death shroud. I dont think healing should go through death shroud but I think life stealing and unholy sanctuary should be considerably better. They are really bad from a healing point of view currently. You steal 400 health whilst a warrior is hitting you for 30k in 3 seconds whilst immune. Yeh….

Without skilled support/right team comp this class become really weak it’s not any fun or worth to play if you don’t have skilled duo partnR.
The class is unbalanced for solo playing as it don’t have survivability like every other classes have those troll 100% damage avoidance builds with good damage and healing

I have to spend most of my time running away from enemy all the time trying to survive instead of playing and be able to fight and have fun.

Where is the skill play if peoples can make so bad troll builds they don’t even take damage from your attacks? Necro need to be fixed to be full solo q ready and damage avoidance spam fest also need to be stopped or fix it to all classes having acces to it

Other than that good luck hard trying on necro as a lonewolf.

Don’t go to point first, even if your teammates are cowering behind you, don’t do it. I cant tell ya how many times I’m forced to get onto the point first to be completely abandoned by my teammates. Don’t go on point first. Oh ya and don’t go on point first. This is the key to not going 100-0 in 3 sec. And watch out for that spear of justice a drooling DH is waiting to shoot you with.

I switched from Druid to Reaper because I got sick of all the block/boon bunkering spam. Learning to not be so tryhard is too important on reaper since they got no hard defenses. Maybe I’m a noob but I also using rune of the adventurer and sigils of energy/stamina on both weapon sets. Need those precious i-frames.

Sadly my necro has been my main since launch and I really never enjoyed any other class as much as my necro, but I’ve been sitting this PvP season out. I just can’t enjoy myself playing necro this time around and this is someone who has hit legend 3 times already in the past playing nothing but necro and with season 5 out now…I’m just not interested. I just feel I drop way to fast unless I’m babysat and makes it so unenjoyably.

I recommend you join the damage avoidance class train and you win win. You don’t take damage while also have better damage, some mobility and cc, good heals, better elites etc than on necro.

No matter how you build your necro, you are just as good as your teammates let you be. if they are bad/no teamplay you are terrible bad as you have to fight alone when getting focused/try to run away from enemy zerg all the time. Which means you don’t have survivability while also not able to do any useful condi damage means you are useless in every game you not getting somewhat decent team.

Basically an Ele in your team seems to be required to play necro. And then the kitten messages that you receive from team mates if you die as a necro xD. Losses always blamed on the necro. Pathetic state of the game.

HeadCrowned.6834:

Basically an Ele in your team seems to be required to play necro. And then the kitten messages that you receive from team mates if you die as a necro xD. Losses always blamed on the necro. Pathetic state of the game.

If players blame the necro for getting focused/killed it’s not the game that’s in a sorry state, it’s the community.

I’m more interested in what build everyone in this thread plays on necro than anything else.

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Been playing Necro and enjoying it a ton. Was at mid gold tier before I came home for break. Only solo q. It’s tough but I’m enjoying the boon corruption. I realize Terror is considered trash by a lot of people but with the amount of might and vulnerability this build supplies, I’ve seen terror pulse for around 1.6k often. 2 initial sources of fear but with pulsing stability out there, I like the signet version of corruption as I get multiple rounds of messing with warriors, rangers and eles. Sigil of generosity is mostly for the burn guards and random passive plague signet procs. I often use chilled to the bone for more offensive stability on a shorter CD but if there are too many DH/DD I use plague form. The instant stability can be necessary to escape longbow 5 and dragon’s maw if you get stuck in the them. With this, proper positioning and flesh wurm (and half decent teammates), you can survive a lot of focus fire.

Stability —> fear (terror) and chill (which bleeds and applies vulnerability)
Resistance —> Chill (which bleeds and applies vulnerability)
Regen —> poisons and prevents druid astral force build up

Once a warrior pops the stances, they are done for as you chain the signets together to perpetually fear then RS 5/4 them. Very rarely lose to a warrior in a 1v1 and they die fast.

Tempests are often easy to kill. If they have stability on overload traited, corrupt it. If they don’t, fear or wh4 them. Once they try to earth overload, corrupt that to terror.

PI thieves are one main problem I have. RS 2/3 help. Being able to proc both weapon swap sigil sets (and enfeeble) quickly with RS then weapon swap can be a lot of instant cast burst that thieves can’t interrupt. Spam stow weapon to confuse the thief so that they waste their initiative (it looks like you are casting but you are not).

Other main problem class is DH. ALWAYS have WH5 up if possible. This is essential for removing blinds. Have the flesh wurm and plague form ready to disengage. WH4 to interrupt through blocks (also for chrono shield 4). This doesn’t work on F3 if they have traited stability. Requires a teammate to flank to corrupt it. Use Signet of locust to corrupt the aoe stability the DH just gave to his team to give terror, chill, bleed and vuln to everyone else there. This also works when a scrapper/gyro is ressing. Then just corrupt, dodge and auto attack.

Flesh wurm does not save you from DD and DH kitten but it can force a 1v1 as they teleport after you.

Justine.6351:

Don’t go to point first, even if your teammates are cowering behind you, don’t do it. I cant tell ya how many times I’m forced to get onto the point first to be completely abandoned by my teammates. Don’t go on point first. Oh ya and don’t go on point first. This is the key to not going 100-0 in 3 sec. And watch out for that spear of justice a drooling DH is waiting to shoot you with.

It took me like a week trying all kinds of builds but I finally gave up necro in PvP for now.
There’s just nothing worth doing on necro except boon removal, everything else a necro could do is covered by other classes doing it better now.

Depends a bit on game mode (spvp or wvw) and build of course, but yeah, I know your pain. In terms of spvp, I always push mid but unless I’m confident in the support I’ll be given, I tend to hide/line of sight or stall behind slightly. This usually works for me in that the enemy team is forced to pick another target and hopefully start blowing CDs on them(realistically, it’s usually warrior/engi/ele/dh on mid as well in this meta and they can definitely handle it).
It’s really frustrating that whilst we’re supposed to be strong in team fights we need constant babysitting and it sucks that we basically have a free target over our heads, but the best you can do is try to position yourself in the best way possible.