Guild Wars 2

Hi there

I’m currently playing DS build 6/2/0/0/6 using staff when in DS to maximize LB damage (that’s what I read). I also slotted Lich Form because it was just kitten but it looks like I’m doing something wrong:

Deathly claws hits… for low damage. I was expecting it to hit pretty hard, like 5k np, but it hits for less than LB. I’m actually better off standing in DS rather than in lich form.

I ran CoF to test it out and my damage on the last boss was 3.5k LB and 2.5k Deathly Claws. That was rather disappointing but everywhere I read that Lich Form does obscene damage and such.

What am I doing wrong, beside running Lich Form in the first place?

Thanks for your attention

what gear are you running?
even with DPS traits. like you have if you dont have some gear that will compliment it it wont do as much. it sounds like you are running PvT

I would suggest swapping out to at least knights gear if you are uncomfortable with glass. if not go Assassin or Beserker. with those you should be hitting the larger numbers you have heard about.

you are certainly on the right track

Were those 2,5k deathly claws even crits?

Full berserker, night sigil as well and still hitting kitten numbers. (Working on scholar runes, midway through bonuses tho)
1.1k noncrits and 2.5k crits. That’s incredibly low, what the hell is wrong? My DS hits way harder.

I tried on a dolyak just to see the difference in damage and the result is kinda the same (I even used blood is power to get 10 might before entering lich form)

Here’s another screen, without might to better compare damage:

I thought Deathly Claws would have done way more damage than life blast. The only thing that changes is that the former is 1/4s faster but that’s not enough to justify one elite slot with 3min CD

just something to compare to.

heart of the mists.
6,2,0,0,6
no might, or signet of spite. Berserker Amulet. Scholar runes

dagger auto
slash: 900 average
Stab: 1500 average
Bite: 2500 average

Ghastly claws:
600 to 900 per hit. average.

Death shroud auto : (axe with axe training traited)
3.5 to 4 k average.

Lich Auto,
5k to 5.5 k average.

Spoj Dps Necromancer.
6,6,0,0,2
again, no might, no signet, berserker amulet with scholar runes.

dagger auto
900 slash
1500 stab
3k bite
averages.

ghastly claws.
800 per hit average

DS auto: (axe with axe training traited. )
hits were either 2 k or 3 k

lich auto
4.5k or 5.5 k

basic conclusion.
MIght and Vuln Change everything.

Lich is NOT used because its autos hit for more per shot, although yes that helps. It is used because it boosts your crit chance and power by a massive amount, gives an otherwise fairly single target build a very strong piercing/cleaving auto, and to add range. This means everything power based is boosted significantly, and nearly everything crits. Chill of Death is now a massive burst tool, easily capable of allowing you to down nearly anyone from 50%, also Lich autos very easily hit multiple targets.

You use Lich for these few things:

1. Massive power/crit spike to boost procs (sigil/chill of death) and abilities you’ve already put out (wells/focus 4/etc.)
2. To allow a power build to truly deal “cleave” damage for teamfights, this is why a well used Lich will easily destroy an entire teamfight if allowed to
3. In PvE for when you need to ranged an encounter

Bhawb.7408:

1. In PvE for when you need to ranged an encounter

Or when you want triple hits against dragons. Hits harder than Unyielding Blast against the second and third hit points..

No really, something is wrong here

I was in Lich form against AC boss and I was hitting 1.1k. When the effect ended, I switched to DS and I was hitting 1.6k.

Why the hell am I hitting so low with Lich Form? I thought that maybe the skill was somehow bugged with my previous stats, so I changed my elite back and forth, reset my traits, re-equipped my gear. The result is always is the same, what the hell?

Metallus.7690:

No really, something is wrong here

I was in Lich form against AC boss and I was hitting 1.1k. When the effect ended, I switched to DS and I was hitting 1.6k.

Why the hell am I hitting so low with Lich Form? I thought that maybe the skill was somehow bugged with my previous stats, so I changed my elite back and forth, reset my traits, re-equipped my gear. The result is always is the same, what the hell?

You do know that you get down scaled in AC, dont you….

Edit: Ohh maybe i misunderstood. Do you mean low in comparision to lifeblast? In that case it also could be the down scaling it has sometimes strange effects.

Lich does hit for less than LB per hit. But it fires faster so its more dps overall. What you are seeing is normal.

Metallus.7690:

No really, something is wrong here

I was in Lich form against AC boss and I was hitting 1.1k. When the effect ended, I switched to DS and I was hitting 1.6k.

Why the hell am I hitting so low with Lich Form? I thought that maybe the skill was somehow bugged with my previous stats, so I changed my elite back and forth, reset my traits, re-equipped my gear. The result is always is the same, what the hell?

downscaling has some weird issues and your stats have a cap which you cant exceed.
if your equipment already has high power, most of lich’s extra power is wasted. combined with the kitten scaling of the lich auto attack, you lose damage.

also, what spoj said.