I personally would like that. DS with F1 and RS with F2. Now mind you, I would share cool downs between DS and RS for skills and the transform itself. Meaning that when you use #2 DS #2 RS goes also into cool down and so on. Also leaving RS would set DS on CD and leaving DS would set RS on cool down.
I’d just like to have a choice, which shroud to use depending on the game situation…
Now having said that, I doubt it’s ever gonna happen. Even though a chronomancer gets an additional shatter compared to core mesmer, having two version of shroud form available might be too strong for Reaper compared to Necromancer.
What do you think?
I think ANet fully understands that this class is by far the least played in the game. And so they are giving us an elite that is so cosmetically super cool that we forget it still does not equate to the other classes in major areas of the game. So I will assume the choice will be ANets, and not ours.
I think that would be overpowered. Lets just have one or the other. Why would anyone else take base if they could have their cake and eat it too with the reaper ?
How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
I fully understand that, same thing for guardians, mesmers on the other hand have no reason to not be chronomancers unless they really dont want wells, and cooldown reset.
Mesmers are very utility orientated. So their reasoning is just if they want utility from 3 different lines. And the chrono line doesnt seem to offer much other than the F5.
In the long term though. When we have multiple elite specs to choose from i think its kind of expected that everyone will have an elite spec in their build. So its ok for them to be upgrades as long as they arent too overboard. WoodenPotatoes discussed this in one of his recent videos. He had the exact same opinion i had on it.
How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
I fully understand that, same thing for guardians, mesmers on the other hand have no reason to not be chronomancers unless they really dont want wells, and cooldown reset.
Uh as a main mesmer, I can tell you that this isn’t true. Ofc we don’t know how it will turn out in practice. But going chrono forces you to give up a trait core trait line and to mesmers that can be a huge performance loss in certain areas. The trait off for mesmer is actually the utility you gain from the trait lines.
If you wanna go certain builds, like lockdown Mesmer, you would like to have actually 4 trait lines. Having only 3 available forces you to give up things. Huge things, because each trait line is really defining. So there are actually big choices to make, which make not going chrono in certain cases very appealing actually. But the same is even true for simple power shatter.
How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
I fully understand that, same thing for guardians, mesmers on the other hand have no reason to not be chronomancers unless they really dont want wells, and cooldown reset.
Uh as a main mesmer, I can tell you that this isn’t true. Ofc we don’t know how it will turn out in practice. But going chrono forces you to give up a trait core trait line and to mesmers that can be a huge performance loss in certain areas. The trait off for mesmer is actually the utility you gain from the trait lines.
If you wanna go certain builds, like lockdown Mesmer, you would like to have actually 4 trait lines. Having only 3 available forces you to give up things. Huge things, because each trait line is really defining. So there are actually big choices to make, which make not going chrono in certain cases very appealing actually. But the same is even true for simple power shatter.
Um as a main guardian Im losing a traitline ( Zeal is a must cause its the main source of damage, Radiance is critical and refresh on VoJ, Virtues is group support and more damage) on top of losing 1200 radius x5 burn buff, heal and aegis.
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How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
Personally, I don’t think we should ever have a reason not to choose an elite specialization. It should be a direct buff to the profession, while also pushing it towards a new role (So only buffing specific parts of the class).
That way, we won’t really have any variety at the start, but things will get more interesting when more specializations get added.
In the Necromancer’s case, each specialization would add a different shroud in your F2 skill. It’s really not all that different to Chronomancer.
How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
Personally, I don’t think we should ever have a reason not to choose an elite specialization. It should be a direct buff to the profession, while also pushing it towards a new role (So only buffing specific parts of the class).
That way, we won’t really have any variety at the start, but things will get more interesting when more specializations get added.
In the Necromancer’s case, each specialization would add a different shroud in your F2 skill. It’s really not all that different to Chronomancer.
No, elite specs should not be stronger than the base profession in most aspects because it would give an unfair advantage to those who bought the expansion in wvw/pvp thus making the game pay to win :p
Elites should compliment the base class or add new niches with out being much stronger if at all than existing builds that fulfill the same role.
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How it is now actually gives you a reason to not run reaper. If you want ranged DS you dont go reaper. If you add RS to F2 then everyone will use Reaper traitline. It would be way too much of an upgrade.
I fully understand that, same thing for guardians, mesmers on the other hand have no reason to not be chronomancers unless they really dont want wells, and cooldown reset.
Uh as a main mesmer, I can tell you that this isn’t true. Ofc we don’t know how it will turn out in practice. But going chrono forces you to give up a trait core trait line and to mesmers that can be a huge performance loss in certain areas. The trait off for mesmer is actually the utility you gain from the trait lines.
If you wanna go certain builds, like lockdown Mesmer, you would like to have actually 4 trait lines. Having only 3 available forces you to give up things. Huge things, because each trait line is really defining. So there are actually big choices to make, which make not going chrono in certain cases very appealing actually. But the same is even true for simple power shatter.
Um as a main guardian Im losing a traitline ( Zeal is a must cause its the main source of damage, Radiance is critical and refresh on VoJ, Virtues is group support and more damage) on top of losing 1200 radius x5 burn buff, heal and aegis.
All I am saying is that the statement, Mesmers had no reason not to choose Chronomancer, is wrong. There are plenty of reasons not to go into the Chronomancer line.
Why does every discussion have to turn into a virtual measurement of [censured] size?
I personally would like that. DS with F1 and RS with F2. Now mind you, I would share cool downs between DS and RS for skills and the transform itself. Meaning that when you use #2 DS #2 RS goes also into cool down and so on. Also leaving RS would set DS on CD and leaving DS would set RS on cool down.
I’d just like to have a choice, which shroud to use depending on the game situation…
Now having said that, I doubt it’s ever gonna happen. Even though a chronomancer gets an additional shatter compared to core mesmer, having two version of shroud form available might be too strong for Reaper compared to Necromancer.
What do you think?
It doesn’t work that way – if you use the Reaper specialization then RS instantly replaces DS. And all buffs related to DS are added to RS, like “Unyilding Blast” which gives Life Blast Vulnerability will now give that Vulnerability to Life Rend.
Besides there is one key factor which makes having both pointless – they both run on life force. So if you run out of it you won’t be able to enter either anyway.
So it’s not like with Elemetalists attunments where you can swap between them all the time.
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