So Shaman Amulet Builds
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That’s fairly close to my build.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjQad6Zaub87JApHPj91TK+e8IFBPMA-T0Ag2CrIaS1krJTTymsNN8Y5xOgjHPPA (I change the elite between Flesh golem and Plague)
That’s the SPvP version of my WvW Apothecary Build. I use it in SPvP for skirmish practice and it does fairly good to above average for me.
I find when most look at Necro healing, they just see 130 healing per tick Regeneration boon on a few select skills and maybe see a 40 second recharge group heal called Well of Blood, with a inferior self-heal to consume conditions, and having a measly 152 healing tick over 10 seconds. On top of many builds being based on “how does this benefit me most” rather than “how does this benefit me and my group most,” a healing necro’s viability is usually scoffed at.
What many fail to see is that we have access to 6 second group regeneration (up to 5 targets) on our quickest recharging attack skill (Mark of Blood). Combined with that 4.75-6 second cooldown, 1200 range and the usual attraction of this skill for a conditionmancer (3 stacks of 8 second AoE bleed), your fastest AoE bleed attack becomes your main AoE group support healing skill as well.
At 844 healing each rengeration tick should be healing 236 if my calculations are right. By just stacking bleeds you can keep this up on allies in close range to your targets 24/7 and from any distance. That’s 2350 health every 10 seconds (1050 more than no healing power), or 7080 over 30 seconds (3150 more than no healing power) on up to 5 targets. You can also take the Mark of Evasion trait for the two 8 second bleed stacks and 6 second AoE regeneration on dodge roll and have AoE regeneration in two places.
Well of Blood has close to if not the best scaling group heal with healing power in the game. The calculation being 152+(Healing Power x 0.4) ticks over 10 seconds. It’s arguably close to if not the best group healing skills from an access and simplicity stand point (Large Radius, it’s a heal skill, can have a 32 sec CD and can be 900 range ground targetable). With Shaman stats and my trait setup, this healing skill self heals me for 6084 health, group heals for 490 per tick over 10 seconds (4900 health) and grants 3.9 seconds of protection to those initially in the cast radius, for an extra 33% damage reduction. Stacking WoB with two other wells would give you 11.7 seconds of Protection to greatly increase your healing effectiveness temporarily.
Based on all that I think healing/support necros are viable to a degree with shamans set/build. We can’t be as reliable like “real” bunker build keeping a point though. We can do so if there isn’t much CC and we can hold, contest or take points in group fights on points (all that AoE bleeds, AoE healing, AoE protection and boon/condition conversion/removal adds up). This build also seems to do very well 1vs1 against all but a few select builds.
It definitely has its problems too and can fail big time if you and/or your team play bad in a match. All those buffs and support become redundant if they can’t minimize downs, greatly prolong fights or turn fights to your favour. In those instances you become a walking corpse that “hangs on” 5 seconds longer with a bugged 1/3 hp in down state.
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If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
That’s fairly close to my build.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjQad6Zaub87JApHPj91TK+e8IFBPMA-T0Ag2CrIaS1krJTTymsNN8Y5xOgjHPPA (I change the elite between Flesh golem and Plague)
That’s the SPvP version of my WvW Apothecary Build. I use it in SPvP for skirmish practice and it does fairly good to above average for me.
I find when most look at Necro healing, they just see 130 healing per tick Regeneration boon on a few select skills and maybe see a 40 second recharge group heal called Well of Blood, with a inferior self-heal to consume conditions, and having a measly 152 healing tick over 10 seconds. On top of many builds being based on “how does this benefit me most” rather than “how does this benefit me and my group most,” a healing necro’s viability is usually scoffed at.
What many fail to see is that we have access to 6 second group regeneration (up to 5 targets) on our quickest recharging attack skill (Mark of Blood). Combined with that 4.75-6 second cooldown, 1200 range and the usual attraction of this skill for a conditionmancer (3 stacks of 8 second AoE bleed), your fastest AoE bleed attack becomes your main AoE group support healing skill as well.
At 844 healing each rengeration tick should be healing 236 if my calculations are right. By just stacking bleeds you can keep this up on allies in close range to your targets 24/7 and from any distance. That’s 2350 health every 10 seconds (1050 more than no healing power), or 7080 over 30 seconds (3150 more than no healing power) on up to 5 targets. You can also take the Mark of Evasion trait for the two 8 second bleed stacks and 6 second AoE regeneration on dodge roll and have AoE regeneration in two places.
Well of Blood has close to if not the best scaling group heal with healing power in the game. The calculation being 152+(Healing Power x 0.4) ticks over 10 seconds. It’s arguably close to if not the best group healing skills from an access and simplicity stand point (Large Radius, it’s a heal skill, can have a 32 sec CD and can be 900 range ground targetable). With Shaman stats and my trait setup, this healing skill self heals me for 6084 health, group heals for 490 per tick over 10 seconds (4900 health) and grants 3.9 seconds of protection to those initially in the cast radius, for an extra 33% damage reduction. Stacking WoB with two other wells would give you 11.7 seconds of Protection to greatly increase your healing effectiveness temporarily.
Based on all that I think healing/support necros are viable to a degree with shamans set/build. We can’t be as reliable like “real” bunker build keeping a point though. We can do so if there isn’t much CC and we can hold, contest or take points in group fights on points (all that AoE bleeds, AoE healing, AoE protection and boon/condition conversion/removal adds up). This build also seems to do very well 1vs1 against all but a few select builds.
It definitely has its problems too and can fail big time if you and/or your team play bad in a match. All those buffs and support become redundant if they can’t minimize downs, greatly prolong fights or turn fights to your favour. In those instances you become a walking corpse that “hangs on” 5 seconds longer with a bugged 1/3 hp in down state.
What comps do you usually run? That seems like a very heavy trait investment to just achieve wells + staff
If you wanted extra longevity you could drop epidemic for WoD or Sp Walk, all of your condition attacks bar sceptre auto attack are aoe already
I like your build Balekai. Have you tested reaper’s protection over staff mastery? You’re understating the effectiveness of well of blood though. If you can stay in it for the duration, it’s the best scaling heal in the game by a large margin. Healing your team is nice too of course, as is the light field.
Not yet since it’s really my WvW build (which relies more on quick staff cds when im not fighting in close quarters) downloaded into SPvP so I will test next time I log on. And yes I did understate Well of Blood because I don’t like making broad proclaimations. :P
I will say I couldn’t find another healing, weapon or utility skill on any other class that had the utility, broad radius and brute uncondition healing over time that Well of Blood has. At the risk of repeating myself to show the extreme in PvE/WvW, stacking Well of Blood/MoB/MoE with 1264 Healing Power, my combined effective self-healing over 32 seconds (Well of Blood CD) is:
9216 Regeneration + 13084 WoB = 22399 Health healed.
My total health is only 20779. For teammates it’s just as good if they’re standing right next to me. 15796 health healed over 32 seconds + their own self heals. Again combined with Ritual of Protection, you further increase your healing power in relation to normal damage 33% for at least 3.9 seconds for all those nearby. Stacking all the wells on my above build gives 33% more healing effectiveness for 1/4-1/3 of the time.
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What comps do you usually run? That seems like a very heavy trait investment to just achieve wells + staff
If you wanted extra longevity you could drop epidemic for WoD or Sp Walk, all of your condition attacks bar sceptre auto attack are aoe already
Yep it is a lot of investment for wells+staff but i think it’s worth it for the range utility. Being able to drop CC support quickly at 900-1200 range can be very handly (although I mostly play close range to trigger MoE at the same time as Geo weapon swap every 10 seconds). I agree that Epidemic can be replaced with what you stated above, but I like the combo of WoC + Heavily Booned Enemy + Epidemic to cause some chaos in close nit group fights in those uncommon instances.
The achilles heel of this build is crowd control however. The less CC there is the more punishment this build can take. However, CC isn’t exactly “rare.”
As for group composition I play random since I play mostly for WvW skirmish practice. I would leave it up to others to work out a group composition around it if that’s even viable, compared to other group compositions in say TPvP. However, the build by and large is effective enough in my experience to warrant attention as a viable Shaman setup example.
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Some good thoughts in here for sure. Mainly what I was going for was an outlast build, not so much a bunker. Something equivalent to the new Ranger meta that we see a lot. Due to player skill though, I’ve not found one I thoroughly enjoy. I’m reluctant to use WoB simply because I just don’t think it has the healing to keep up with the damage output of the new Rangers on it’s own without using another Well with it.
So in my mind, already you’re having to use a heal and a utility to mitigate damage while you deal it. With wells, that’s a really large gap to be burst in for anyone.
Absolutetly true what you say and that my build is an outlast build (good name for it). The ranger meta is hard to beat 1v1 and harder yet 2v1. The trick is to keep as close as possible to them (can be difficult if you’re defending/contesting a point) Keep changing your weapons and dodgding into him using as much aoe bleeds as possible (including MoE and Geomancy bleeds) and saving your condition removal/conversion skills (Putrid Mark, Dealthly Swarm and WoP) for when the ranger is close and you are suffering from stacks of bleeds. When she/she is feeling the heat, spam scepter for the poison and maybe a well placed Well of Corruption until downed. If the fight goes more than say 40-50 seconds then the ranger is probably good enough to avoid your attacks and you will be the one going down.
Player skill between the ranger and the necro governs who comes out on top, because WoB+Regeneration barely keeps up with his attacks/healing, but can if you send his bleed dps right back at him. Also that other Well would be WoP because it converts 5 seconds of bleed stacks etc. into boons (bleeds become vigor).
I wouldn’t go Shaman support without WoB though, because it just wouldn’t feel worth it. Might as well unfocus out of healing power and go consume conditions.
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As for the last part of your post the gap isn’t as long as it may seem, but it does cause issues if a main burst comes after you’ve expended your Wells. The 22 seconds in between WoB healing (32 sec CD with 10 sec duration) is covered by lots of regeneration.
WoP might even give you an additional abundance of vigor, protection, regeneration, retaliation etc if heavily conditioned on top of your own protection/regeneration durations. The rest of WoP utility can be covered by Putrid Mark and Deathly Swarm in the 48 sec CD you don’t have it (the CD needs to be decreased).
WoC can destroy classes that ignore it and have lots of boons and still try to dps you within it.
All your dps as a conditionmancer really comes from Staff, Scepter/Dagger, traits, sigils, condition management + Epidemic, so using two utilities slots for utility isn’t going to hurt like it does on a power build.
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Mad Skullz | 80 Necro | Piken Square
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If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
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