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All this talk of give it “time” and stuff, sure did pay off for the new time skills meser get with wells and stuff.

I can’t wait to see the new necromancer skill, we are going to get a whole new vampire type skills that make us sparkle. Can’t wait to glitter it up on the field.

Morale’s pretty low.

It’s not just that these new trait layouts suck. It’s mostly that anet doesn’t seem to understand the class meaning that existing issues won’t be fixed. Ever.

And, reasonable suggestions to fix our issues have appeared… In the revenant.

rager.4963:

I can’t wait to see the new necromancer skill, we are going to get a whole new vampire type skills that make us sparkle. Can’t wait to glitter it up on the field.

Can you not? I mean, the last thing we want is actual Edwards with Twilight running about >.>

My morale would be lower if it weren’t for The Gates Assassin stopping in and knowing that the specialization should bring big things to us. But you never know and history shows that they aren’t great with necromancers.

rager.4963:

I can’t wait to see the new necromancer skill, we are going to get a whole new vampire type skills that make us sparkle. Can’t wait to glitter it up on the field.

vampire stuff that wont work half the time. Cause Anet is still too kittening kittened to make up their mind and allow us to heal in Death Shroud.

Our new skills and mechanics will probably be as kitten, boring and made without care as our new trait/specialisation system.

rager.4963:

All this talk of give it “time” and stuff, sure did pay off for the new time skills meser get with wells and stuff.

I can’t wait to see the new necromancer skill, we are going to get a whole new vampire type skills that make us sparkle. Can’t wait to glitter it up on the field.

The new skills don’t matter.

With no endurance regen, stability, disengage, or way to escape immobilize spam, we are stuck taking stun breaks as our utilities. And even with utility stun breaks we are sitting ducks against range.

I’m sure we’ll make our enemies cry. With our new spectral onion skill. XD

I’m happy for mesmers, they deserved a buff. I guess now I have a reason to bring my mesmer from 33 to 80.

IT’S low because Anet has ignored our issues, and have COMPELTELY failed to interact with this community in a meaninful way. Their proposed changes in the new upcoming skill revamp literally took them 15 minutes to go through and redesign. It took no thought, and they changed so little. Who are they fooling? It’s clear what classes are favored by the devs. It has always been that way. Anet, are you listening?

If I can share a slight critique of our community, it’s that this is almost business as usual.

Changes happened or were previewed, and they were sub-par for the Necromancer. Next, a lot of people started acting like martyrs to some glorious cause.
People like to throw themselves on their swords here, and try to look heroic doing it.

I don’t mind all the counter-suggestions and changed ideas that people have been sharing. I actually enjoy it! It’s interesting to see what a wide group of people can come up with. But the amount of “Everything is ruined FOREVER” posts just reminds me of the last time everything was ruined forever, and the time before that.

Softspoken.2410:

If I can share a slight critique of our community, it’s that this is almost business as usual.

Changes happened or were previewed, and they were sub-par for the Necromancer. Next, a lot of people started acting like martyrs to some glorious cause.
People like to throw themselves on their swords here, and try to look heroic doing it.

I don’t mind all the counter-suggestions and changed ideas that people have been sharing. I actually enjoy it! It’s interesting to see what a wide group of people can come up with. But the amount of “Everything is ruined FOREVER” posts just reminds me of the last time everything was ruined forever, and the time before that.

This is true, The only real problem I have with the class is design that goes vs deathshroud, and minions not working.

Two things that is basic common sense before we can even talk about balance. Balance can and always change, but buggy pet ai, and class skills that don’t mesh well with DS? Seem to not want to change and that should be on top of list.

It is hard to feel excited about the future when common sense seems to be gone with the dev team.

My moral is just fine, really, and people I talk to in game don’t have low moral at all. The difference is the forums are only going to have people who are passionate (either really mad or really happy), and people like me who are really happy don’t feel the need to incessantly post like people who are mad do.

And really constant kittening is pretty par for the course for the Necromancer forums.

Meh, is my feeling my necro was my toon since launch and I use him for WvW only. The changes were not that surprising to me nor did it get me excited. But we will see if they can fix our death shroud issue or pet AI.

All I can say is great sword better be awesome. XD

But in all seriousness guys if your having a hard time in PVE (Dungeons/fractals) or PVP best roll another character for now. It helps with the heart ache.

The only issues I have had with the necro is from other people meta-raging. Otherwise, I am having a blast with the class.

I don’ t know for everyone, but this is kittening depressing. Not in clinical terms but concede me poetry.

Not that is really bad as it looks, it’ s more a matter of feel: everything feels underwhelming, i can appreciate some challenging moments but the more things progress the more the future looks dire.

First the inherent problems of the class that can and can not be worked around in some cases ( i still rejoice from the foot in the grave change like it was my son!), then the trait exposition that not only felt uninspired about necros, but only raised eyebrows and compared to the uberflashiness of other specializations made us feel really underwhelming, and now the chronomancer that talks about wells taken from the necromancer, a thing that by itself is fine since skills alike exist in many ways but the wording adds a knife in an already open wound.
To this there is to add stuff about the revenant, that is basically the necromancer as it should be but melee, and a sparse sense of “what the heck we will have now?” about the future.

The forum only aggreviates this part, from whines to different proposals that sometimes gets drowned or scrapped totally and still no word about the elite, that is already doomed by some as half failed only because one spec on 3 can’ t save a whole build, coupled with usual posts of the great classics as “how can work pve necro” and so on that already darkens the mood.

Is not mostly a matter of actual situation, i mean we know traits and skills can be tought upon, but if we talk about morale it’ s so down that i still ask myself why the hell i keep looking at the Necromancer subforum.

hennrick.4623:

I don’ t know for everyone, but this is kittening depressing. Not in clinical terms but concede me poetry.

Not that is really bad as it looks, it’ s more a matter of feel: everything feels underwhelming, i can appreciate some challenging moments but the more things progress the more the future looks dire.

First the inherent problems of the class that can and can not be worked around in some cases ( i still rejoice from the foot in the grave change like it was my son!), then the trait exposition that not only felt uninspired about necros, but only raised eyebrows and compared to the uberflashiness of other specializations made us feel really underwhelming, and now the chronomancer that talks about wells taken from the necromancer, a thing that by itself is fine since skills alike exist in many ways but the wording adds a knife in an already open wound.
To this there is to add stuff about the revenant, that is basically the necromancer as it should be but melee, and a sparse sense of “what the heck we will have now?” about the future.

The forum only aggreviates this part, from whines to different proposals that sometimes gets drowned or scrapped totally and still no word about the elite, that is already doomed by some as half failed only because one spec on 3 can’ t save a whole build, coupled with usual posts of the great classics as “how can work pve necro” and so on that already darkens the mood.

Is not mostly a matter of actual situation, i mean we know traits and skills can be tought upon, but if we talk about morale it’ s so down that i still ask myself why the hell i keep looking at the Necromancer subforum.

I know the feeling. Been waiting for over 2 years now and it starts to wear on you after awhile.

Taranotos.1567:

I know the feeling. Been waiting for over 2 years now and it starts to wear on you after awhile.

If it keeps this way i am starting to think it’ s done on purpose for enhancing the necromancer " dark mood experience"…

dang, i could really start believe that xP

“… delete Necro…” did I hear that in the live stream?

Jay.1085:

All I can say is great sword better be awesome. XD

Great sword will be like a mix of axe damage, dagger range and cleave, and focus chill. Deal with it.

Anchoku.8142:

“… delete Necro…” did I hear that in the live stream?

Yes, the devs are aware of our opinion of them, and so they made the joke we all make all the time.

Bhawb.7408:

And really constant kittening is pretty par for the course for the Necromancer forums.

Do you think there might be a reason for this?

I’m not saying it hasn’t been justified on many occasions, just that it is common.

hennrick.4623:

Taranotos.1567:

I know the feeling. Been waiting for over 2 years now and it starts to wear on you after awhile.

If it keeps this way i am starting to think it’ s done on purpose for enhancing the necromancer " dark mood experience"…

dang, i could really start believe that xP

XD this made me lol so had to comment.

Eh, my moral only feels low when i come to check out the forums, sPvP is loads of fun in my supposedly broken death shroud and condi builds(no stunbreakers equipped YOLO i guess :/), I win like 50% of my 1v1’s. And in dungeons I don’t die too quick unless I do something stupid like rezzing someone in an AoE; I’m yet to be kicked from a run… I only feel necro is inadequate when I come on to the forums, then again I only ever played necro

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses – and only a few are truly bothered by the shortcommings of the profession because the game does not incentify to push yourself to 110% anyway

Despite all the sceptical jokes I make though, you should whisper me in game and ask about Warriors… Because oh man, despite it being a pick everywhere in the game… man… I got my complaints… Of course, it does not invalidate Necromancers being trash most of the times in “endgame” content \o/

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

It’s good to remember that. Thanks.

And then you just roam the world and the wvw with bleed and necrotic magic spamming left and right without worry because open pve is metaless and in wvw there may be so many occasions that it matters the bit less
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GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses – and only a few are truly bothered by the shortcommings of the profession because the game does not incentify to push yourself to 110% anyway

Despite all the sceptical jokes I make though, you should whisper me in game and ask about Warriors… Because oh man, despite it being a pick everywhere in the game… man… I got my complaints… Of course, it does not invalidate Necromancers being trash most of the times in “endgame” content \o/

As far as I know the last time they released numbers on how many people play which classes necro was second to last only ahead of engineer, and that was 2 years ago before the repeated necro nerfs and engineer buffs. I suspect necro is currently the least played class as it is not desirable in PvE or PvP currently.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses

I barely ever see necromancers. Dunno what you’re talking about.

I wouldn’t say my morale is low just that my patience are wearing thin, I still love Necromancer more than ever… But there are times in a day where our weaknesses are apparent and leave me feeling worrisome for our future. I’m afraid to even speculate as to what may become of us at this point so like the thought of death I’m just trying to ignore it and think about it as little as possible.

I’ll enjoy the profession regardless of the changes but being a passionate roamer, primarily solo, my patience may wear thin enough that I just stop playing when Mesmers start literally resetting fights with that reverse time skill.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses – and only a few are truly bothered by the shortcommings of the profession because the game does not incentify to push yourself to 110% anyway

Despite all the sceptical jokes I make though, you should whisper me in game and ask about Warriors… Because oh man, despite it being a pick everywhere in the game… man… I got my complaints… Of course, it does not invalidate Necromancers being trash most of the times in “endgame” content \o/

Agree, but if you have alts the shortcomings become painfully obvious.

A couple of months ago I leveled to 80, and geared, an alt warrior. After two years of using a necro as main I wanted to see the difference with a more “meta” profession in PvE. The results were so depressing that my necro will never see a dungeon again.

I love my necro, and I’m still having fun using him for open world PvE. But the difference is so big that I can’t enjoy anymore using a necro in dungeons. Even my friends are bummed when they see that I’m bringing my necromancer in fractals because the warrior hasn’t enough AR yet.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

my patience may wear thin enough that I just stop playing when Mesmers start literally resetting fights with that reverse time skill.

The time reset thing can be destroyed though. Hopefully it has a manageable healthpool that be be bursted with aoes. I imagine a good number of mesmers will overextend in their attacks due to the time reset thingy and then experience no small amount of panic when the reset things gets smashed by aoes.

Strill.2591:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses

I barely ever see necromancers. Dunno what you’re talking about.

I dunno about that; I fairly frequently end up with 2 necros running a dungeon (2 necro’s are more common than 2 ele’s or guards for me), sometimes the other necro leaves before we are a full 5. Heck once we had 2 necro’s, then a 3rd popped up but insta-left lol.

MAN.9046:

Strill.2591:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses

I barely ever see necromancers. Dunno what you’re talking about.

I dunno about that; I fairly frequently end up with 2 necros running a dungeon (2 necro’s are more common than 2 ele’s or guards for me), sometimes the other necro leaves before we are a full 5. Heck once we had 2 necro’s, then a 3rd popped up but insta-left lol.

I can find sometime a necro in a casual dungeon, that’s because there’s no one in organized dungeons and they all need to find some casual players to make one XD

I dont know about others, but my morale is at an all time low indeed.

I even held up on anise’s outfit i wanted to revamp my necro, as i am not sure i will keep playing her, and i a even considering switching to another profession in spvp.

I’m already in search for another class for spvp. And if ANet show us our destiny (specializzation) I can know if I want to play it in the futur or if I have to change my class now.

Strill.2591:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

You also gotta remember that forum folk are the vocal minority

Necromancers, because of the theme, are incredibly popular by the masses

I barely ever see necromancers. Dunno what you’re talking about.

Apparently not about your experiences, ey?

Though in my three years of playing (beta player here), I have spotted numerous Necromancers in all kinds of different places
In my guild alone (PvX) there are more than a handful of Necromancers who play every day on it and with great pleasure…

Again, this does in no way justify that the Necromancer is trash in nearly all endgame content – but the forums are but a fraction of the amount of people the profession actually represents… You should go to the Warrior forums as a joke and spot how many complaint threads there are despite the profession being a solid pick in any kind of gameplay

I still have thief as a main if all things fall apart plus I played every other class too. I just had an engi saying :“soon going to be nerfed,bye bye downstate damage” when I didn’t even trait for it lol. The devs have no idea of our situation and I feel like even if we get buffed we’ll get nerfed due to complaints it’s a loss-loss.

Necromancers are not the only ones with the low morale, majority (if not all) eles are simply tired of playing the same spec, same traits and utilities to reach a fair level of viability. We’re praying for a burst specialization that doesn’t get farmed by thieves and med guardian with little effort….we’re praying like you for a fair treatment, majority of players made an ele with the idea of playing a caster class..not a battlemage

Ehh… I’m expecting our specialization is going to be quite sub par (prove me wrong ANet)… So I stashed a bunch of tomes ready to finally make an alt (I don’t like having alts and only play my necro) and ditch my necro for good.

Since they have no idea what to do with our specialization, I bet you Necro will be the last to reveal.

That goes for me also, got 4-5 stacks of tomes, over 600 skill scrolls and full set of ascended heavy armor, here waiting for me to use the “create” button in case ele specialization turns to be a failure ( but given past treatments, there is a high chance it will)

Supreme.3164:

Necromancers are not the only ones with the low morale, majority (if not all) eles are simply tired of playing the same spec, same traits and utilities to reach a fair level of viability. We’re praying for a burst specialization that doesn’t get farmed by thieves and med guardian with little effort….we’re praying like you for a fair treatment, majority of players made an ele with the idea of playing a caster class..not a battlemage

I think this may also be one of the effects of such a simplified combat system as GW2 has now. Back in GW1 we had dual professions and 8 skills that we could switch out. That was a huge amount of diversity in builds and a lot of freedom.

Now in GW2 we have just those 4 skills. One of which is an elite, and one which is a healing skill. Sure there are traits as well, but many of those don’t combine very well, and many classes are stuck with a handful of useless traits that no one ever uses. And we also have a few weapons to choose from, each with its own fixed skill bar. That’s just very limiting.

There’s just not a whole lot of room for diversity within the current system.

iSmack.1768:

Ehh… I’m expecting our specialization is going to be quite sub par (prove me wrong ANet)… So I stashed a bunch of tomes ready to finally make an alt (I don’t like having alts and only play my necro) and ditch my necro for good.

Since they have no idea what to do with our specialization, I bet you Necro will be the last to reveal.

-AND no idea what to do with our class.

I fear you are probably going to be right, if Anet’s disinterest in our class is anything to go by. They just don’t seem very excited about anything necro, nor do they seem to pay any attention to the community.

I just wish there were someone at ArenaNet truly excited about the necro as a profession. Someone like Jon is for warriors or Grouch for engies. Someone who plays only the necro in both pve and pvp. Someone who understands the problems the class has and has ideas to improve that.
Robert Gee, while surely intelligent and talented, doesn’t seem to be even slightly excited for necros and with that it will be difficult to get meaningful changes.