Guild Wars 2

Props to anet for finding 1 of its few uses and nerfing it. ^^

It was to be expected to fix this, but it`s still useless

Who actually spent the 25 points and screwed around long enough to find this use for it? And why haven’t they been put down?

Awaiting the nerf to it working on husks in the wurm event.

spoj.9672:

Awaiting the nerf to it working on husks in the wurm event.

Won’t happen because it doesn’t get used there. You need the cleanse and heal from Consume Conditions instead.

That and very few bother with the wurm events.

Thanks Anet!
Now we can just make a true statement that this heal sucks in all game modes altogether and return to other heals

I laughed when I saw the change, because I knew it was overpowered. 200-400 siphon damage x 25 = 5000-10000 more damage. If there’s five + necro’s at a WvW gate popping SoVs, that’s a free siege in between a cata and a ram.
Does SoV still work against inanimate bosses? If not then it truly is a nerf. It should and I hope it still works against world/dungeon bosses or else the skill would be totally… totally useless.

spoj.9672:

Awaiting the nerf to it working on husks in the wurm event.

I know right.
However it’s not going to happen I think. Zergs with or just lots of Necros could sort of “grieve” opposing players/towers/keeps by having siege capabilities without placing siege. This means Zergs and large groups could technically PvD to eventually win without it taking 10-20min.

Things like husks in wurm event are designed to be very resistant to physical damage and require conditions to take out regularly. Life steals by precedent and their mechanics have always fallen into the same functionality as conditions (no way to reduce the damage via reduction). So it makes sense that they work on such mobs, just as siphons ignore armor etc. in the rest of the game.

Devs in games have been known to do more head scratching and mind boggling nerfs/buffs however.

Conditions, being it unique or not, shouldn’t even work on objects, so that was a real issue on it’s own, not even mention the “huge” damage it can cause.
I find it funny it got overlooked and it worked on doors …

Wow, we are waiting months for Healing signet to be mini-nerfed, but this absolutely had to be put in ASAP before it destroyed balance.

wat

spoj.9672:

Props to anet for finding 1 of its few uses and nerfing it. ^^

They didnt find it,just some server started using it as much as they use the fgs glitches and they just had to nerf it to calm the mongrels complaining about the dmg spike.
I have seen gates litteraly melt with the fgs glitch,now when anet goes and just nerf one skill just because there is an uproar it just says a lot about how balancing works.

azuzephyr.7280:

Wow, we are waiting months for Healing signet to be mini-nerfed, but this absolutely had to be put in ASAP before it destroyed balance.

wat

Still better than with Dhuumfire, which got nerfed within a week.

grave of hearts.7830:

spoj.9672:

Props to anet for finding 1 of its few uses and nerfing it. ^^

They didnt find it,just some server started using it as much as they use the fgs glitches and they just had to nerf it to calm the mongrels complaining about the dmg spike.
I have seen gates litteraly melt with the fgs glitch,now when anet goes and just nerf one skill just because there is an uproar it just says a lot about how balancing works.

The fgs glitch is harder to fix, thats why they didnt touched it.

Well, it was indeed a bug that was exploited and had to be fixed. It surely never was intended that you can melt through T3-gates in a matter of 20 seconds or so; especially not without using any siege weapons. And yes, I would call this a gamebreaking bug.

Saturn.6591:

Well, it was indeed a bug that was exploited and had to be fixed. It surely never was intended that you can melt through T3-gates in a matter of 20 seconds or so; especially not without using any siege weapons. And yes, I would call this a gamebreaking bug.

Fully fortified gate with two trebs behind it melted in 6 seconds with no siege,just fgs untargeted running to it.
Sure SoV was an issue as well,but its just that funny facepalm momment where the necro is blamed and nerfed while the elementalists play dumb and pointing the finger at us.
For me it doesnt really matter what anet does with the skill,i gave up on the game and the class here and a month almost.
I just pop in daily to see how much worse they made things for us.

It’s not a nerf, it’s a bug fix. Skill balance is completely separate from exploitative bugs, you nimrods. Life leech working on doors was deemed as unintended functionality long ago.

Brienson.7319:

It’s not a nerf, it’s a bug fix. Skill balance is completely separate from exploitative bugs, you nimrods. Life leech working on doors was deemed as unintended functionality long ago.

Why this tone? Did you lose to a necro using Signet of Vampirism?

Brienson.7319:

It’s not a nerf, it’s a bug fix. Skill balance is completely separate from exploitative bugs, you nimrods. Life leech working on doors was deemed as unintended functionality long ago.

Well this thread was kind of a joke, poking fun at the fact that they don’t even mention ways to make it better, but are quick to fix this.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Did you lose to a necro using Signet of Vampirism?

Nobody ever lost to someone using SoV

Brienson.7319:

It’s not a nerf, it’s a bug fix. Skill balance is completely separate from exploitative bugs, you nimrods. Life leech working on doors was deemed as unintended functionality long ago.

You can’t really blame anyone for posting that it’s a nerf. I think we’ve grown accustomed to seeing the necromancer get moved slowly towards the incinerator, so any negative change, even if it only appears to be a negative change, will be trounced upon.

Come to think of it, WvW is often referred to as WvDoor, so in essence, this is a nerf.

“I got a splinter from that door! I wish SoV worked on it!”

Brienson.7319:

It’s not a nerf, it’s a bug fix. Skill balance is completely separate from exploitative bugs, you nimrods. Life leech working on doors was deemed as unintended functionality long ago.

Actually lifestealing on gates and siege was an intended change,it was changed that way when the first lifestealing changes started trying to bait necromancers outside the walls because all the rest classes wanted free badges.
And SoV working on gates wasnt a bug,it was a feature that didnt suck for necros.
They fixed that part now,and pretty much the “nimrods” are just discussing about a change and a lie we expected ever since we figgured the active part works on gates.

I made a thread claiming DS was being expoited trough a bug the happened when you press fear while your utilities where on cooldown, causing you to fear everything permanently..

they didn’t bite..

Necromancer
•Signet of Vampirism: The active life-siphoning effect of this signet can no longer be applied to inanimate objects, such as WvW gates

(very needed, some servers abused it severely)

•Signet of Vampirism: The active initial heal was increased to 7.3k health. Scaling increased by 25%.

(also very needed, it was useless)

ooooh wait…..

I kittening love it so quick to fix bugs that help us but screw fixing the ones that hurt us.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

spoj.9672:

Awaiting the nerf to it working on husks in the wurm event.

Won’t happen because it doesn’t get used there. You need the cleanse and heal from Consume Conditions instead.

That and very few bother with the wurm events.

TTS, TxS and Deso used that actually… a lot… well in the fist 2 cases there are like max 5-12 necros and 4-9 are condi and refuse to slot it in…

NeXeD.3042:

I kittening love it so quick to fix bugs that help us but screw fixing the ones that hurt us.

Yeah… That’s the other thing… Moa kills pets and transforms kill all pets since launch. Nothing. We can help kill a door a bit faster. FIX FIX FIX.

Andele.1306:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

spoj.9672:

Awaiting the nerf to it working on husks in the wurm event.

Won’t happen because it doesn’t get used there. You need the cleanse and heal from Consume Conditions instead.

That and very few bother with the wurm events.

TTS, TxS and Deso used that actually… a lot… well in the fist 2 cases there are like max 5-12 necros and 4-9 are condi and refuse to slot it in…

Yeah ive been on some attempts with deso and fsp and both times when running in the condi defense groups i slotted it because consume wasnt really helping much anyway. The amount of times poison gets reapplied to you and the amount of other damage sources makes any heal pretty worthless in that fight for actual sustain. You survive more from avoiding damage and relying on blast finishers in water fields. So SoV is best choice for necros on wurm event.

Bhawb.7408:

Who actually spent the 25 points and screwed around long enough to find this use for it? And why haven’t they been put down?

Human beings made it to the moon, we crossed oceans in wooden ships and unlocked the secrets of the atom. Finding a use for SoV was just another feather in humanities cap. Shame on you for having such little faith in your fellow man.

:D

Terok.7315:

Bhawb.7408:

Who actually spent the 25 points and screwed around long enough to find this use for it? And why haven’t they been put down?

Human beings made it to the moon, we crossed oceans in wooden ships and unlocked the secrets of the atom. Finding a use for SoV was just another feather in humanities cap. Shame on you for having such little faith in your fellow man.

:D

It wasn’t in vain, neither! We discovered that the saying “nothing is impossible” isn’t true! DISCOVERY!

ronpierce.2760:

It wasn’t in vain, neither! We discovered that the saying “nothing is impossible” isn’t true! DISCOVERY!

ANet: “We’ll show them, finding a use for SoV…. MWAHAHAHAH”

I think they fixed some kitten with it in pve with the minipatch.

I am pretty happy they did this as I no longer get cought in combat with that stupid thing on my bar and have all my cleansing back instead.

However necros do need some sort of utility/ability to do more damage to structures/objects in the game.

Tongku.5326:

However necros do need some sort of utility/ability to do more damage to structures/objects in the game.

Use a powerbuild. Problem solved.

Or rephrase that sentence. Make it “condition-built characters” need some sort of… etc. Because Necros are not the only ones who like to use condition builds, you know. And lorewise there’s no reason why only they should be able to damage structures with conditions. ^^

For in case when the necro get’s into the situation where there are 4 gates and one enemy, he could siphon more health than he is supposed to. ’Aight.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNArYWjMat7pbeaM8JEoHuHuAiRPKmgJZoKUOA-jwBB4MCik0AUIRMFqIas1gFRjVJjIqWpETKAYWWB-e – fractal and world boss condi meta setup, it does decent damage to structures and previously with signet mastery, vampirism and spite over BiP/CC combo it did very high direct damage, still good but not as strong.

You would be better off with this setup.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNArYWjMat7pbGbM8JEoHvHuAiRPIGj5YoKUOA-jwBBIgCik0BimGMFqIas1gFRjVdDTHjIqWKgHVWB-e

SoV and signet mastery when dealing with husks. And obviously use power food when hitting structures. But ideally you should swap to another gear set and different weapons for structures anyway.

Rampager and rabid dont help sturctures nor on uncrittable bosses, also you lose vitality from scavs, corruption skills got low enough cooldowns for rotations and the bonus scepter duration helps a lot more than hemo, not only for fractals (where you kinda get kittened by mistlocks) but also because you already get to 25 over the time in a boss encounter and you dont need more duration because of team setups in wurm.
Also terror helps a lot where its useful. So no it was actually theorycrafter as the optimal setup.

While necros have waited for months for those 100s of bug fixes and justified buffs, that 1 nerf required will happen first.

ronpierce.2760:

Necromancer
•Signet of Vampirism: The active life-siphoning effect of this signet can no longer be applied to inanimate objects, such as WvW gates.

I just wanted to point out, after all our anger and frustrating with SoV being terrible and useless. They found a reason to nerf it. That is all. <3

GG Anet , GG

I swear, the way Necro’s go on about SoV, you’d think it was their only heal… and they were screwed without it.

You guys keep having a pity party every dang day over this ability…

Ranger forum is that way. →
Thank you.

If anyone cares about SoV being bugged in not working against most key bosses I’ve posted in the Bug forum here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Signet-of-Vampirism-Bugged-in-latest-patch/first#post3630002

Dalanor.5387:

Ranger forum is that way. ->
Thank you.

I have an 80 Necro that I play

Thank you.

Terravos.4059:

I swear, the way Necro’s go on about SoV, you’d think it was their only heal… and they were screwed without it.

You guys keep having a pity party every dang day over this ability…

Everyone should know that Necros have the biggest survival issues in this game, so when new healing skills were announced, we were obviously very interested in them.
The data mined version was quirky but many Necros could see some builds finally becoming viable through it, unfortunately the released version was crippled, riddled with ICDs and objectively the worst choice available for any situation.

Necros don’t have pity parties over this ability, Necros have disappointment and frustration over it and the developer’s apparent ignorance about everything we’ve spent the last 18 months explaining to them.

Oh, i just found another funny thing about it. When you are at full hp and you get your first hit, it doesn’t heal you.

Terravos.4059:

Dalanor.5387:

Ranger forum is that way. ->
Thank you.

I have an 80 Necro that I play

Thank you.

When you refer to necros as a 3rd party and hop up on your soapbox, it doesn’t matter if you play necro or not. Any argument you just made became invalid. Have a nice day.

Despite the fact that SoV is a not so great skill, i dont like it and i also do not see other necro´s run it in wvw, i think the damage to doors was unintended and had to be fixed. But it would be great if arenanet would prove the same enthusiasm for fixing things with our remaining endless bug list.