Guild Wars 2

I had been roaming as Necro/Reaper for a few years and there was a point in time last year when I felt Necro/Reaper was no longer viable for solo fights.

It was a few months after HOT hit when the sustain creep for other classes left Reapers behind.

Warriors got huge sustain through their Adrenal healing.
Guards got their heal traps.
Rangers got their Celestial Avatar.
Scrappers got their invis gyro turret blasting heals.
Tempests entering water mode had always been strong healers.
Mesmers having lots of resets to their F skills and phantasms.
Thieves with all their evades/invis.
Revs hmm

What do Necros/Reapers have for solo roaming? Out ranged and out kite by many of the enemies is one matter.
Having only blighter’s boon as a possible source of heal mainly on a Reaper melee 1 which is easily kited is terrible, making blighter’s boon ineffective.

Using Shroud to tank is no longer viable. There are skills that we must not tank…like warrior primal bursts, mesmer’s phantasm spamming condi application then going invul to prevent transfer, etc. etc.
Our ability to refill shroud is also not keeping up with the sustain creep.

We need a better form of healing and sustain to match the current creep on the other classes. Better ways to refill shroud. AND TO HEAL IN SHROUD.

/waves hand
These are not the sub forums you are looking for.

I have no experience playing necro/reaper, but I have fought them a bunch.

That said, it seems to me, and speaking as a warrior main, that successful reapers have the tools to survive through the periods where I might have defenses rolling (like resistance, blocks, etc.) if they play smart. If they survive that initial onslaught, the chills and fear give them huge control to punish me with pretty substantial damage (condi and/or power), with my only hope of surviving being running away (if I can).

That isn’t to say I think it’s a cake walk, or that a reaper who doesn’t survive that is bad, but I’ve found that to be the deciding factor if a reaper is going to kill me in a 1v1 or if I’m going to kill them.

I suppose my concern regarding pumping up the sustain during that early period (and beyond) would make even average or poor reapers near impossible to kill (while still being extremely dangerous).

So is my perception off or biased, or is there someway to deal with your concerns without triggering mine?

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

Life force could go full out of combat. If you start low life force you don’t have any kind of chance. Of course some power builds get life force ok, but i don’t play those because too boring.

I’d rather bring down the sustain of other classes before buffing that of necro/reaper.

I wouldn’t mind some passive lifeforce regen out of combat especially in spvp.

Irony : “on”

We got poison to tune down their sustain…

The philosophy of the profession is that where the other have thing that benefit themself, we got things that bring down the benefit that those other professions have.

They can block? We can bypass block.
They can heal? We can reduce heal.
They have damage or armor? We can reduce those two thing throught soft condition.
They have fast pace, attack and swiftness? We can reduce all of that.
They have boons? We have corruptions for those boons.
They got condition? We can send them back!
They have projectiles? We can even destroy them!

Without adding any “but” or thinking of the reality of how things really work in game don’t you feel like the necromancer is the perfect counter to all other professions? In theory there is nothing that we can’t counter!

Irony : “off”

It’s easier to feel great when you think about what you can do instead of what you can’t.

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Dude i posted in a another thread about roaming this build i ve made. And so far its the best one for sustain plus decent power damage mobility healls etc
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTodTscTwbTgeTsQNYxdwSYKUKAMAGWUlgawJA-T1SGQBASNAzoLIJKFKoyg7oEscPAgDcQAGwFA4cbAAgjAwQUyRKgAHZB-w

If you want advice on how to use it send me a pm

miguelsil.6324:

Dude i posted in a another thread about roaming this build i ve made. And so far its the best one for sustain plus decent power damage mobility healls etc
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTodTscTwbTgeTsQNYxdwSYKUKAMAGWUlgawJA-T1SGQBASNAzoLIJKFKoyg7oEscPAgDcQAGwFA4cbAAgjAwQUyRKgAHZB-w

If you want advice on how to use it send me a pm

um no offense but you have at best 2-3 condi removal every 10-20 seconds…and only for about 20+ seconds…

Except for ghost thiefs i do just fine. Also for less damage and more sustain even use those damage reduction when stuned plus less condi duration. Also you if u think its not good enough use trooper runes. With trooper i dont even care about condi thiefs. Or switch to the condi removal heall. U can opt between these. But for me this works best since full shout allows me to get at least 60 to 70% shroud alnost instantly so shroud works in absorbing condi damage if needed.

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

I’m going to be real with you. There is just not a reason to solo roam on reaper. It brings nothing to that type of play. I mean I could go solo roam on a reaper and win 1v1 against average players and maybe 1v2 against sub-average players but what is the point when I can do that better on various other classes? Pick the class for the role not pick a class and shoehorn it into a role it is unfitting for.

we have the almighty F1 Shroud!!! What else do you need?

miguelsil.6324:

Except for ghost thiefs i do just fine. Also for less damage and more sustain even use those damage reduction when stuned plus less condi duration. Also you if u think its not good enough use trooper runes. With trooper i dont even care about condi thiefs. Or switch to the condi removal heall. U can opt between these. But for me this works best since full shout allows me to get at least 60 to 70% shroud alnost instantly so shroud works in absorbing condi damage if needed.

I tried your build with a slight variation of your traits/utilities and am loving it.
Thanks for sharing! <3

I play base necro instead of reaper and I have no issues roaming except for warriors, since they’re basically unkillable.

Thieves can be annoying if they chain-cloak, but at that point it just becomes a long drawn out attrition battle and if you get them to screw up once they’re toast…

…except I ran into one the other night that pot shot me from cloak for 2 minutes before I finally hit /sit. I couldn’t target them and was just taking damage. But hey, necros are in a good place.

in order to survive as a necro, you have to maintain weakness vs power builds, don’t blow condi transfers vs condi builds, and dodge the right skills vs both.

Yeah its true, so many counters to condis.Too many invincibility moves and combinations of infinite cc sustain etc.

EremiteAngel.9765:

miguelsil.6324:

Except for ghost thiefs i do just fine. Also for less damage and more sustain even use those damage reduction when stuned plus less condi duration. Also you if u think its not good enough use trooper runes. With trooper i dont even care about condi thiefs. Or switch to the condi removal heall. U can opt between these. But for me this works best since full shout allows me to get at least 60 to 70% shroud alnost instantly so shroud works in absorbing condi damage if needed.

I tried your build with a slight variation of your traits/utilities and am loving it.
Thanks for sharing! <3

Glad you enjoyed it. What i like most is the fact that i dont get one shoted out of shroud or outside anymore and have a lot of stun breaks.

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Or maybe we play on different skill levels. Not being able to successfully roam on power nec is mostly a l2p issue. Try to roam with sth like ele or engi on power … nec is perfectly fine compared.
I dunno what build you play but gs/axe is perfect for duels and teamfights up to 5 peeps.

The only thing I have huge trouble fighting as a power reaper is everything that wears trailblazer and dire gear – does not matter if it is another reaper, a mesmer a thief or something else.

I have absolutely no problems with everything else. Of course I have to change my build for different matchups. There is no build than can handle everything.

But even when I take every possible condi cleanse there is no way to outsustain trailblazer/dire. Way too much sustain and condi pressure.

KrHome.1920:

The only thing I have huge trouble fighting as a power reaper is everything that wears trailblazer and dire gear – does not matter if it is another reaper, a mesmer a thief or something else.

I have absolutely no problems with everything else. Of course I have to change my build for different matchups. There is no build than can handle everything.

But even when I take every possible condi cleanse there is no way to outsustain trailblazer/dire. Way too much sustain and condi pressure.

I hear that wearing trailblazer / dire gear is pretty good for sustain against that sort of thing. Have you tried it?

SlippyCheeze.5483:

KrHome.1920:

The only thing I have huge trouble fighting as a power reaper is everything that wears trailblazer and dire gear – does not matter if it is another reaper, a mesmer a thief or something else.

I have absolutely no problems with everything else. Of course I have to change my build for different matchups. There is no build than can handle everything.

But even when I take every possible condi cleanse there is no way to outsustain trailblazer/dire. Way too much sustain and condi pressure.

I hear that wearing trailblazer / dire gear is pretty good for sustain against that sort of thing. Have you tried it?

I have and came to the conclusion it’s broken.

I don’t run broken stuff.

KrHome.1920:

SlippyCheeze.5483:

KrHome.1920:

The only thing I have huge trouble fighting as a power reaper is everything that wears trailblazer and dire gear – does not matter if it is another reaper, a mesmer a thief or something else.

I have absolutely no problems with everything else. Of course I have to change my build for different matchups. There is no build than can handle everything.

But even when I take every possible condi cleanse there is no way to outsustain trailblazer/dire. Way too much sustain and condi pressure.

I hear that wearing trailblazer / dire gear is pretty good for sustain against that sort of thing. Have you tried it?

I have and came to the conclusion it’s broken.

I don’t run broken stuff.

+1 for that.

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Or maybe we play on different skill levels. Not being able to successfully roam on power nec is mostly a l2p issue. Try to roam with sth like ele or engi on power … nec is perfectly fine compared.
I dunno what build you play but gs/axe is perfect for duels and teamfights up to 5 peeps.

I would love to see vids of the opponents you come up against.
You can see my vids in my signature.

Like Helly’s latest vid on his viper roaming, nothing against him, but his opponents were not very good, often dying in one burst…

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

KrHome.1920:

SlippyCheeze.5483:

KrHome.1920:

The only thing I have huge trouble fighting as a power reaper is everything that wears trailblazer and dire gear – does not matter if it is another reaper, a mesmer a thief or something else.

I have absolutely no problems with everything else. Of course I have to change my build for different matchups. There is no build than can handle everything.

But even when I take every possible condi cleanse there is no way to outsustain trailblazer/dire. Way too much sustain and condi pressure.

I hear that wearing trailblazer / dire gear is pretty good for sustain against that sort of thing. Have you tried it?

I have and came to the conclusion it’s broken.

I don’t run broken stuff.

+1 for that.

I’m pretty darn sure that you won’t get a developer to agree with that sentiment: they have plenty of time to have evaluated the use of those stats, and they are still present; it seems highly unlikely that they simply failed to notice the performance of it over the last year.

You are, of course, welcome to feel however you want about it, but … seems like if the developers aren’t going to agree, it’s not “broken”, it’s just “not to your taste” and all…

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Or maybe we play on different skill levels. Not being able to successfully roam on power nec is mostly a l2p issue. Try to roam with sth like ele or engi on power … nec is perfectly fine compared.
I dunno what build you play but gs/axe is perfect for duels and teamfights up to 5 peeps.

I would love to see vids of the opponents you come up against.
You can see my vids in my signature.

Like Helly’s latest vid on his viper roaming, nothing against him, but his opponents were not very good, often dying in one burst…

Yeah im better off not commenting your vids ~ cuz it shows its mostly a l2p issue for you.
… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Or maybe we play on different skill levels. Not being able to successfully roam on power nec is mostly a l2p issue. Try to roam with sth like ele or engi on power … nec is perfectly fine compared.
I dunno what build you play but gs/axe is perfect for duels and teamfights up to 5 peeps.

I would love to see vids of the opponents you come up against.
You can see my vids in my signature.

Like Helly’s latest vid on his viper roaming, nothing against him, but his opponents were not very good, often dying in one burst…

Yeah im better off not commenting your vids ~ cuz it shows its mostly a l2p issue for you.
… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

if you could show me your vids that would be great.

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

EremiteAngel.9765:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Justine.6351:

Necro is play of balance, offensive pressure, good movement and good use of dodges and shroud damage absorb. It is not enough to dump marks and Wells on people’s head and face tank in shroud. That is what I think too many necro do.

100% agree ~ Nec got ALOT of sustain with blighters boon. You can easily outsustain engis or druids which is pretty ridiculous

If you guys are talking about PvP then I agree. Blighters boon works pretty well there where there can be 1 or multiple targets in a small circle that allows you to shroud 1 easily.

If you guys are referring to WvW where its pretty much open space with no need to hold a point, meaning enemies kite you to death, then I really wonder if we are playing the same game.
Perhaps we are facing different WvW servers and the level of opponents we are facing are different.

Or maybe we play on different skill levels. Not being able to successfully roam on power nec is mostly a l2p issue. Try to roam with sth like ele or engi on power … nec is perfectly fine compared.
I dunno what build you play but gs/axe is perfect for duels and teamfights up to 5 peeps.

I would love to see vids of the opponents you come up against.
You can see my vids in my signature.

Like Helly’s latest vid on his viper roaming, nothing against him, but his opponents were not very good, often dying in one burst…

Yeah im better off not commenting your vids ~ cuz it shows its mostly a l2p issue for you.
… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

if you could show me your vids that would be great.

Whisper me ingame for advice ~

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

To be honest, it’s not as broken as other builds. The biggest problem is the covering conditions which in itself shouldn’t be a big issue. At most you should have 4-5 conditions in that condi-burst build that can be applied to you. Lots of classes can cleanse that in no time at all.

If you’re having a problem with it as a necromancer, this is directed to everyone and no one, then there’s lots of solutions to deal with it.

• Plague signet, as well as auto plague signet on plague sending, will take care of it in one ability.

• Dagger 4 and staff 4 transfer conditions to your target, although having cast times.

• Suffer is instant cast, transfers conditions to targets around you and can be combined with runes to remove two conditions.

• Consume Conditions will remove all, sadly long cast time.

• lastly my personally favourite. Combining Shrouded removal and Superior Sigil of Cleansing, removing two conditions when entering shroud then removing an additional condition every 3 seconds.

Necros arn’t the only ones that shouldn’t have an issue either. Tempests and Warriors come to mind too,being able to cleanse a lot of conditions in a short time. I’d rather fight 40 + stacks of bleeding which take a few seconds to ramp up than trying to fight other builds that burst for instance, 20+ stacks of burning or 20+ of torment and confusion in the same or less amount of time.

Anet has obviously decided this is the age of the condi-burst and it will be for the foreseeable future.

Sororita.3465:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

To be honest, it’s not as broken as other builds. The biggest problem is the covering conditions which in itself shouldn’t be a big issue. At most you should have 4-5 conditions in that condi-burst build that can be applied to you. Lots of classes can cleanse that in no time at all.

If you’re having a problem with it as a necromancer, this is directed to everyone and no one, then there’s lots of solutions to deal with it.

• Plague signet, as well as auto plague signet on plague sending, will take care of it in one ability.

• Dagger 4 and staff 4 transfer conditions to your target, although having cast times.

• Suffer is instant cast, transfers conditions to targets around you and can be combined with runes to remove two conditions.

• Consume Conditions will remove all, sadly long cast time.

• lastly my personally favourite. Combining Shrouded removal and Superior Sigil of Cleansing, removing two conditions when entering shroud then removing an additional condition every 3 seconds.

Necros arn’t the only ones that shouldn’t have an issue either. Tempests and Warriors come to mind too,being able to cleanse a lot of conditions in a short time. I’d rather fight 40 + stacks of bleeding which take a few seconds to ramp up than trying to fight other builds that burst for instance, 20+ stacks of burning or 20+ of torment and confusion in the same or less amount of time.

Anet has obviously decided this is the age of the condi-burst and it will be for the foreseeable future.

Sry but in wvw its basically the most broken build right now. And it doesnt take a few seconds to ramp up or anything. You literally stack up bleeds in seconds with every single hit of chill. But whatever i guess, its no use argueing with people who think deathly chill is not broken.

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Sry but in wvw its basically the most broken build right now. And it doesnt take a few seconds to ramp up or anything. You literally stack up bleeds in seconds with every single hit of chill. But whatever i guess, its no use argueing with people who think deathly chill is not broken.

I know you’re obviously frazzled but not every discussion is an argument. Did they buff the trait for PvE in the wrong way so that it negatively impacted WvW? Sure. They should have started of with increasing it to two stacks or even increasing the duration but they went with what they did. I don’t believe its the most broken build right now, there are plenty of builds that contend for that position and they’ve been around for much longer.

What i was trying to show that even though it is a strong condition burst, there are ways to counter it and usually after the burst is tanked, most of the necromancer’s skills are on cool down and you can counter attack. Personally i don’t play condition reaper so i’m not defending it as if it was my build, i’m just saying its not that bad to counter.

Obviously there was a DPS need for the buff to this skill, instead of reverting the change, maybe decrease the stack size to two and increase the duration for a few seconds.

I dont think the build is broken. Whats broken is the viper trail gear etc. I made the build with exotic gear buyable on TP and it s very efective but not nearly as broken as many power builds on some classes or condi thiefs mesmers etc.

miguelsil.6324:

I dont think the build is broken. Whats broken is the viper trail gear etc. I made the build with exotic gear buyable on TP and it s very efective but not nearly as broken as many power builds on some classes or condi thiefs mesmers etc.

Meh if viper is broken then idk what condition set people don’t think is broken. It’s legit no defensive stats. TB and Dire are broken for sure in WvW though.

As for comments regarding the skill level of the opponents, I’d invite anyone to post videos and show me more skilled players in WvW. I don’t post many 1v1s in my videos because of the skill gap making it trivial usually with the exception of warriors and their stances. If people want one video every five weeks of maybe slightly more skilled opponents they’re welcome to do that.

I make the videos to showcase a build that is fun to play and to comment on the fact that having an instant burst with 25 stacks of bleed and the ability to solo stack 45+ isn’t sustainable in a PvP gamemode.

That being said, I would love to see more necros producing videos showing outnumbered fights akin to the ones I have since I imagine most people might have issues with 1v3+ situations that are being used as examples for how bad my opponents are. At a certain point it doesn’t matter how bad your opponents are when they outnumber you by 2-4 and you are solo.

Videos only reflect the current skill level in WvW. I can’t change that. I can only choose my clips to try and showcase skill and what not despite that. And the only way to do that is through outnumbered fights.

Helly.2597:

miguelsil.6324:

I dont think the build is broken. Whats broken is the viper trail gear etc. I made the build with exotic gear buyable on TP and it s very efective but not nearly as broken as many power builds on some classes or condi thiefs mesmers etc.

Meh if viper is broken then idk what condition set people don’t think is broken. It’s legit no defensive stats. TB and Dire are broken for sure in WvW though.

As for comments regarding the skill level of the opponents, I’d invite anyone to post videos and show me more skilled players in WvW. I don’t post many 1v1s in my videos because of the skill gap making it trivial usually with the exception of warriors and their stances. If people want one video every five weeks of maybe slightly more skilled opponents they’re welcome to do that.

I make the videos to showcase a build that is fun to play and to comment on the fact that having an instant burst with 25 stacks of bleed and the ability to solo stack 45+ isn’t sustainable in a PvP gamemode.

That being said, I would love to see more necros producing videos showing outnumbered fights akin to the ones I have since I imagine most people might have issues with 1v3+ situations that are being used as examples for how bad my opponents are. At a certain point it doesn’t matter how bad your opponents are when they outnumber you by 2-4 and you are solo.

Videos only reflect the current skill level in WvW. I can’t change that. I can only choose my clips to try and showcase skill and what not despite that. And the only way to do that is through outnumbered fights.

Regarding ur videos and build i emjoy them alot just made a reference that without that new hot gear the build itself isnt that broken and maybe anet is taking that into consideration.

Btw would reaper runes work aswell? Or what other runes u sugest?

miguelsil.6324:

Regarding ur videos and build i emjoy them alot just made a reference that without that new hot gear the build itself isnt that broken and maybe anet is taking that into consideration.

Btw would reaper runes work aswell? Or what other runes u sugest?

Yeah my bad. I quoted you cause you were the most recent in the thread. Wasn’t directed at you primarily.

Reaper runes would work well, along with zerker, thorn, nightmare, and krait. I don’t run them mainly because all of those focus on taking what you already excel at (dmg) and slightly boosting it. Antitoxin and the food allows for easier combating against other necros or Condi classes without a huge DPS loss. If you aren’t using anti toxin, swap out the food to be either +dur +Condi or the +dur +lifesteal on critical.

Even I’ve been having success in 1vX encounters with axe/focus, greatsword aganst the average wvw player. And my build is not even for roaming, it’s for 5-20 team play.

Reaper cleave + damage shield + boon corrupts = op!

Justine.6351:

Even I’ve been having success in 1vX encounters with axe/focus, greatsword aganst the average wvw player. And my build is not even for roaming, it’s for 5-20 team play.

Reaper cleave + damage shield + boon corrupts = op!

I don’t doubt it. People just seem to have absurd expectations for videos expecting somehow to see consistent opponents that have skill when WvW isn’t and never has been a Mecca for those type of players.

On a side note, people who have the capabilities and are willing please start making necro roaming/wvw videos and post them to the forum. I would personally like to see a lot more videos here of necro gameplay, but it’s a rare occasion. Just go out there, play a build you like, make a short montage and put it up.

Hey Helly. Nothing against your vid. I enjoyed it too.
Was just using it as an example to show zombie that if his opponents are similar to the ones in your vid, then really we aren’t talking on a similar platform to begin with.

And to zombie, what server r u on? I am thinking of changing servers so perhaps I could roam and learn from you.

Honestly, the only necro I have been impressed with in terms of skills is holt’s videos on YouTube. I’ve also been impressed with Flow and Hesacon advices. What they have said previously had changed my way of building and playing as a necro a lot. Other than them, I’ve not seen a better necro video in terms of skills.

Maybe if u have seen any, you could link it for me. Thanks!

Sororita.3465:

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

… it doesnt matter how good his opponents are, he stacks 40 bleeds in 2 secs on his enemy because his build is broken which is actually the reason he made these videos
> To show you, how broken deathly chill is right now.

To be honest, it’s not as broken as other builds. The biggest problem is the covering conditions which in itself shouldn’t be a big issue. At most you should have 4-5 conditions in that condi-burst build that can be applied to you. Lots of classes can cleanse that in no time at all.

If you’re having a problem with it as a necromancer, this is directed to everyone and no one, then there’s lots of solutions to deal with it.

• Plague signet, as well as auto plague signet on plague sending, will take care of it in one ability.

• Dagger 4 and staff 4 transfer conditions to your target, although having cast times.

• Suffer is instant cast, transfers conditions to targets around you and can be combined with runes to remove two conditions.

• Consume Conditions will remove all, sadly long cast time.

• lastly my personally favourite. Combining Shrouded removal and Superior Sigil of Cleansing, removing two conditions when entering shroud then removing an additional condition every 3 seconds.

Necros arn’t the only ones that shouldn’t have an issue either. Tempests and Warriors come to mind too,being able to cleanse a lot of conditions in a short time. I’d rather fight 40 + stacks of bleeding which take a few seconds to ramp up than trying to fight other builds that burst for instance, 20+ stacks of burning or 20+ of torment and confusion in the same or less amount of time.

Anet has obviously decided this is the age of the condi-burst and it will be for the foreseeable future.

Its pretty clear its an issue is truth.

Personally:I wish i could change abilities in mid battle as sometimes you barely have enough time to change stuff and you never know what you are going to encounter or who.Having such niche abilities is rather cumbersome:

Do i want corrosive poison cloud for dealing with archers? or do i want a well effect to blind everyone? Do i want plague signet or blighters boon?

Yesterday i got destroyed because i didn’t have rise shout because i was built for dealing with rangers since they are the most frustrating to deal with in spvp aside from warriors and mesmers and guardians.

I also dueled a ranger friend yesterday, and even if i was able to down him, i always lost because between him and his pet always had the upper hand between his roots and everything.No matter what and i was using corrupt boon and staff move number 4 to throw his condis and cripples and roots back at him, and i couldn’t solo him.I actually downed him a couple of times and made it hard for him, but i still wasn’t able to win.

I would love to trade some niche abilities into stronger survivability tools.Its frustrating not being able to 1v1 a ranger cause he’s using his root which is overpowered.

And condi cleanse honestly is overpowered.I think staff is kinda lackluster too, cause i can do bigger build up of damage from my scepter.I think with the current cast time of staff attacks such as the frost bleeds, the amount of bleeds either needs to go up, or the cd needs to go down.

Currently:Rated pvp is a zerg fest of whoever is the most organized zerging down opponents focusing them and with the right composition wins.Because burst is king, the burstiest team with the most cc wins.Yesterday i wasn’t focused on in the last game, and i won cause i was able to use staff after running away and keeping them at bay while in staff, and i’m not even doing the killing blows, others are.I am merely just poisoning and chilling them to keep em from running.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Hey Helly. Nothing against your vid. I enjoyed it too.
Was just using it as an example to show zombie that if his opponents are similar to the ones in your vid, then really we aren’t talking on a similar platform to begin with.

And to zombie, what server r u on? I am thinking of changing servers so perhaps I could roam and learn from you.

Honestly, the only necro I have been impressed with in terms of skills is holt’s videos on YouTube. I’ve also been impressed with Flow and Hesacon advices. What they have said previously had changed my way of building and playing as a necro a lot. Other than them, I’ve not seen a better necro video in terms of skills.

Maybe if u have seen any, you could link it for me. Thanks!

Holtz videos are fun indeed but they have the same issue you were saying. Many of his oponents are below average and specially with that build of his the sustain is really not that great and susceptible CC and being kited. I have my toon on gandara and another in blackgate you can duel me if you wamt to check how my build works on me also flow is really good on necro much more experienced than i am.

miguelsil.6324:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Hey Helly. Nothing against your vid. I enjoyed it too.
Was just using it as an example to show zombie that if his opponents are similar to the ones in your vid, then really we aren’t talking on a similar platform to begin with.

And to zombie, what server r u on? I am thinking of changing servers so perhaps I could roam and learn from you.

Honestly, the only necro I have been impressed with in terms of skills is holt’s videos on YouTube. I’ve also been impressed with Flow and Hesacon advices. What they have said previously had changed my way of building and playing as a necro a lot. Other than them, I’ve not seen a better necro video in terms of skills.

Maybe if u have seen any, you could link it for me. Thanks!

Holtz videos are fun indeed but they have the same issue you were saying. Many of his oponents are below average and specially with that build of his the sustain is really not that great and susceptible CC and being kited. I have my toon on gandara and another in blackgate you can duel me if you wamt to check how my build works on me also flow is really good on necro much more experienced than i am.

Thats great. I’m on TC. Could meet your BG toon. Added you.

also the upcoming removal of chill sigil from pvp is a colossal nerf to reaper builds.

Guess its time to reroll to warrior or ranger.