Guild Wars 2

I linked to this thread posted in Necrobator. Although I don’t agree with 100% of the post, it does address a good many issues we have. Enjoy.

http://www.necrobator.com/forums/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&t=337.0

Also this: http://www.teamparadigm.net/forums/Necromancer/374/The-Sorry-State-of-the-Necromancer-in-SPvP-Long-Post/

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

Shelledfade.6435:

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

So you flame a lot?

There are FAR too many great necros out there for the class itself to be bad. Figure it out, although the class could use more viable options.

Kaikas.4631:

Shelledfade.6435:

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

So you flame a lot?

Do you know what flaming is? What he did is not flaming.

Oh btw, that guy said retaliation doesnt benefit from might. In reality, it does.

I’m curious why the build on the teamparadigm post (see comment in second link) uses Flesh Golem for it’s elite. I find Plague much more useful. The author seems extremely knowledgeable and vetted so I was hoping he would explain this choice, however, he seems to completely skip elites entirely in his post. I really enjoyed reading the feedback on a lot of the other abilities.

Yeah I was also wondering what made him choose golem. I place my bet on missclick

Killyox.3950:

Kaikas.4631:

Shelledfade.6435:

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

So you flame a lot?

Do you know what flaming is? What he did is not flaming.

Actually it is when he posts in every single topic, saying the same crap over and over :/

dunno what he is talking about, terror does up to 900 dam for me, it is great for denying a selfheal and bursting someone down.

I really really dont get why all of you guy’s say the class is broken.
It needs some tweaks sure, but its certainly not broken.

Incase you wonder, only played necro from BWE1.

For the record, how can you even say that the paradigm guy know what he’s talking about. (not to flame but I saw some streams of them and saw some awful clicking on utility tree spells) Game is only out for a few weeks, and like he said I played every class so not one class fulltime.
At this point there are only opinions, but there are certainly no pro’s yet, so don’t all claim that he is right.

lvl 70 necromancer herer and my biggest problem with this class is that you cant do any burst dmg at all. i have tried different specs but i cant seem to deal any dmg i just slowly wither my enemy down and hope that i dont get focused.
ps I also find it very boring.

please help…..

I am not reading this thread, I do not have to. I have just bought this game, as sales were frozen last week or so. It is brand new, and still very well finished. So…

My message:

Every MMO is destroyed sooner or later by these ‘seagull’ players. They swoop down, poop on everything, make great amounts of noise, then fly off before anyone can do anything. This leaves the more devoted and rational players to endure the game that is left after the devs clean up the game mechanics these seagulls pooped all over.

Do not feed the seagulls!

Peace guys, and I’ll see you in game, rocking out my necromancer.

Wanting class balance is not trolling or “seagulling” as it were ..

I agree with a lot of the points the guy makes, some of them however, are not valid in a different game mod. In wvw for example 50% less falling dmg + poison cloud is fairly usefull, so is spectral walk.

I am a Lvl 80 nec from day 6 after headstart, been playing wvw since then and have already spent a hell of a lot of silver on trying to find a build that was not broken. And I mean literally broken, the obvious choices for synergies either don’t work or have such a miniscule effect that the only way to know that it even there is to check the combat log.

A good measure of successful prof balance imo is having at least the low lvl, poorly geared guys avoiding a fight with someone who hasn’t been scaled up, but necro is just target practice in wvw, everyone will engage on sight and chase you to the end of the map because they see you as a free kill (you can have some fun with it tho, with that -50% falling dmg and poison). For myself, I’ve managed to find a build that works tolerably well in spite of all the bugs and balancing issues and win pretty much all of my 1on1 and even most 2on1, but not because the class is kickass or I’m so skilled with it, the real reason is the overconfidence on the part of enemy and their poor knowledge of their class and controls.

Bottom line is, necro is broken, the only reason we see some success in wvw is that most people are just learning the game and we take advantage of that. If nothing is done soon, this prof will be dead in pvp and wvw within a few months. In fact, it’s dying now, in a guild of 100 we have only 2 active necs, and I’m already thinking about moving on to a thief after playing a lvl 14 in wvw for some time and seeing the difference.

I am so glad I found these forums because I’ve been so frustrated with my necro and I see on these forums nearly everyone else is encountering the same problems I have. And I am truly grateful for all the constructive posts people have been making and it gives me hope that ArenaNet will do something about the sorry state of affairs that is the necro class.

I’ve been feeling so under powered on land as a necro and underwater combat is just a horrible, horrible encounter with frustration. It is clear from all the posts in this forum that the necro is either flat out broken or just a poorly designed class. Either way, ArenaNet, as much as I love you guys I have to hang up my level 50 necro until you guys make a serious effort to fix it; it’s just not fun. I’ll give my warrior a try because it has been a lot of fun (but I’m only level 7 or so on my warrior so maybe not enough hands on play with that class to know).

zao.2710:

Also this: http://www.teamparadigm.net/forums/Necromancer/374/The-Sorry-State-of-the-Necromancer-in-SPvP-Long-Post/

That post is epic and 100% spot on

Cyll.5943:

I am not reading this thread, I do not have to. I have just bought this game, as sales were frozen last week or so. It is brand new, and still very well finished. So…

My message:

Every MMO is destroyed sooner or later by these ‘seagull’ players. They swoop down, poop on everything, make great amounts of noise, then fly off before anyone can do anything. This leaves the more devoted and rational players to endure the game that is left after the devs clean up the game mechanics these seagulls pooped all over.

Do not feed the seagulls!

Peace guys, and I’ll see you in game, rocking out my necromancer.

This is not a subscription based game, so if they fix things people will come back. No such thing as seagulling here buddy.

BCDragon.5614:

Killyox.3950:

Kaikas.4631:

Shelledfade.6435:

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

So you flame a lot?

Do you know what flaming is? What he did is not flaming.

Actually it is when he posts in every single topic, saying the same crap over and over :/

Actually, that is not flaming, that is trolling, whining or QQ’ing (inteded or unintended).
Flamming is when you “trashtalk” someone or someones idea or ideals.

Jeez, can we please stay on topic?

Killyox.3950:

Kaikas.4631:

Shelledfade.6435:

necro , worst class in game at the moment in s-pvp. They’re on a level that’s worse than bad.

So you flame a lot?

Do you know what flaming is? What he did is not flaming.

He did flame. Look it up.

the class is indeed underpowered, borderline broken

but the guy on that topic makes so many errors and “wtflolretard” comments that Im speechless

I don’t get it. I did find many issues with some traits not being as cool as they could, but I don’t see why people think this class is completely broken. Mind, I suck at PVP (always have, in any game) but PVE, I find people telling me how useful I was after a hard champion fight, more often than not.

People saying Necro has no burst damage… Use an axe. By the time ghostly claws is up again, the mob is already dead.

I find myself getting GOLD in all events, even when part of a huge group of people swatting at that mob. I also find myself impossible to kill in PVE unless I try to take on 5 veteran mobs 10 levels higher than me.

The game just came out. Give them time to fix the minor issues. Also, for those of you without the ability to think for yourselves, give good players the time to write guides you can follow as sheep, so you can make the best out of your class.

Thank you.

dementedB.8594:

I agree with a lot of the points the guy makes, some of them however, are not valid in a different game mod. In wvw for example 50% less falling dmg + poison cloud is fairly usefull, so is spectral walk.

I am a Lvl 80 nec from day 6 after headstart, been playing wvw since then and have already spent a hell of a lot of silver on trying to find a build that was not broken. And I mean literally broken, the obvious choices for synergies either don’t work or have such a miniscule effect that the only way to know that it even there is to check the combat log.

A good measure of successful prof balance imo is having at least the low lvl, poorly geared guys avoiding a fight with someone who hasn’t been scaled up, but necro is just target practice in wvw, everyone will engage on sight and chase you to the end of the map because they see you as a free kill (you can have some fun with it tho, with that -50% falling dmg and poison). For myself, I’ve managed to find a build that works tolerably well in spite of all the bugs and balancing issues and win pretty much all of my 1on1 and even most 2on1, but not because the class is kickass or I’m so skilled with it, the real reason is the overconfidence on the part of enemy and their poor knowledge of their class and controls.

Bottom line is, necro is broken, the only reason we see some success in wvw is that most people are just learning the game and we take advantage of that. If nothing is done soon, this prof will be dead in pvp and wvw within a few months. In fact, it’s dying now, in a guild of 100 we have only 2 active necs, and I’m already thinking about moving on to a thief after playing a lvl 14 in wvw for some time and seeing the difference.

I’m in the exact same spot. Level 80, playing almost exclusivly WvWvW and having changed builds all the time with no tolerable success. Moving on to thief as well.

Koen.8703:

I really really dont get why all of you guy’s say the class is broken.
It needs some tweaks sure, but its certainly not broken.

Incase you wonder, only played necro from BWE1.

For the record, how can you even say that the paradigm guy know what he’s talking about. (not to flame but I saw some streams of them and saw some awful clicking on utility tree spells) Game is only out for a few weeks, and like he said I played every class so not one class fulltime.
At this point there are only opinions, but there are certainly no pro’s yet, so don’t all claim that he is right.

it’s broken in that the vast majority of traits don’t benefit the builds they’re designed for in a positive way or just don’t work at all. You don’t need to be a pro to know that if a skill doesn’t work, it’s broken.

EmpyJon.4561:

I don’t get it. I did find many issues with some traits not being as cool as they could, but I don’t see why people think this class is completely broken. Mind, I suck at PVP (always have, in any game) but PVE, I find people telling me how useful I was after a hard champion fight, more often than not.

People saying Necro has no burst damage… Use an axe. By the time ghostly claws is up again, the mob is already dead.

I find myself getting GOLD in all events, even when part of a huge group of people swatting at that mob. I also find myself impossible to kill in PVE unless I try to take on 5 veteran mobs 10 levels higher than me.

The game just came out. Give them time to fix the minor issues. Also, for those of you without the ability to think for yourselves, give good players the time to write guides you can follow as sheep, so you can make the best out of your class.

Thank you.

You do realize that channeling is not burst unless all of the damage comes at the END of the channel? Axe is not burst in any shape or form, it is just sustained damage and pretty bad at that too.

Getting Gold in an event is not hard, you barely have to do anything for that. You could get Gold in an event by leaving your braindead minions and go AFK and come back and get the Gold reward, probably the only way to get just Silver or Bronze is to arrive late or die at the beginning with no-one to ressurect you.

Also, the only PvE that could be considered when balancing should be dungeons. That’s it. Events in the overworld are zergfests that are almost impossible to lose no matter how badly one player of a class does or the 10 or so other players of the same class.

Sprawl.3891:

zao.2710:

Also this: http://www.teamparadigm.net/forums/Necromancer/374/The-Sorry-State-of-the-Necromancer-in-SPvP-Long-Post/

That post is epic and 100% spot on

Except for all the inaccuracies.

That post had some merit, but it was buried by a lot of hyperbole and going off-topic to be snarky. The point would benefit from a presentation that isn’t so over the top; for instance his nitpicking every trait from the sPvP viewpoint, ignoring the obvious reality of some traits being for PvE and WvW. The Necromancer has some weak weapons, but it’s hardly worthless.

Koen.8703:

I really really dont get why all of you guy’s say the class is broken.
It needs some tweaks sure, but its certainly not broken.

Incase you wonder, only played necro from BWE1.

For the record, how can you even say that the paradigm guy know what he’s talking about. (not to flame but I saw some streams of them and saw some awful clicking on utility tree spells) Game is only out for a few weeks, and like he said I played every class so not one class fulltime.
At this point there are only opinions, but there are certainly no pro’s yet, so don’t all claim that he is right.

playing a necro from BWE1 to now it in reality is broken. The outlast the opponent thing never happens because our condition damage can’t kill.