Guild Wars 2

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.

I want to let everyone know for a the longest time I thought this fellow was a epic level troll pulling one over on all of us. Well he did send me in game, I can confirm 100% he firmly believes what he posts and much more with no middle ground.

So he is not a troll after all, kind of a shocker for me, he is trying to help.

@MightyAltroll take a few weeks and get to the leader boards its not hard even a terrible necro running a bad spec that does not even know the class like me did it without actually trying to do it. You might gain some perspective and I think it would serve you well in your effort to help the necro community.

Xom.9264:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.

I want to let everyone know for a the longest time I thought this fellow was a epic level troll pulling one over on all of us. Well he did send me in game, I can confirm 100% he firmly believes what he posts and much more with no middle ground.

So he is not a troll after all, kind of a shocker for me, he is trying to help.

@MightyAltroll take a few weeks and get to the leader boards its not hard even a terrible necro running a bad spec that does not even know the class like me did it without actually trying to do it. You might gain some perspective and I think it would serve you well in your effort to help the necro community.

No. I don’t care about Leaderboards. No one should. I serve the Necro community fine as is, I have aided many players to becoming proficient, some even becoming incredibly good, which go on to teach more Necromancers in my school themselves. I simply was asked to post my more viable builds on the forums by people that liked them.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Xom.9264:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.

I want to let everyone know for a the longest time I thought this fellow was a epic level troll pulling one over on all of us. Well he did send me in game, I can confirm 100% he firmly believes what he posts and much more with no middle ground.

So he is not a troll after all, kind of a shocker for me, he is trying to help.

@MightyAltroll take a few weeks and get to the leader boards its not hard even a terrible necro running a bad spec that does not even know the class like me did it without actually trying to do it. You might gain some perspective and I think it would serve you well in your effort to help the necro community.

No. I don’t care about Leaderboards. No one should. I serve the Necro community fine as is, I have aided many players to becoming proficient, some even becoming incredibly good, which go on to teach more Necromancers in my school themselves. I simply was asked to post my more viable builds on the forums by people that liked them.

You post on these forums more then anyone I have seen dont play the reluctant hero asked to share his wisdom.

Great players take no credit
Credit is given to them.

Xom.9264:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.

I want to let everyone know for a the longest time I thought this fellow was a epic level troll pulling one over on all of us. Well he did send me in game, I can confirm 100% he firmly believes what he posts and much more with no middle ground.

So he is not a troll after all, kind of a shocker for me, he is trying to help.

@MightyAltroll take a few weeks and get to the leader boards its not hard even a terrible necro running a bad spec that does not even know the class like me did it without actually trying to do it. You might gain some perspective and I think it would serve you well in your effort to help the necro community.

Don’t worry he’s not a troll, just schizophrenic.
Reminds me of somebody from GW1…. http://buildwars.forumotion.com/

Bas.7406:

murmelz.8539:

lol… you’re not engineering a space shuttle…
acting like you’ve invented something big,
this is just a game. everyone can make a build that works for them, no science… really

Actually it is a science, there is a lot of math, graphs, and analyzing, testing, and proving in order to make a build. It’s as much of a science as great gameplay is an art form. If you don’t think watching great gamers play is an art form than you are missing out. Watch Jumper, Zombify, Zoose, Koroshi, Teldoo, Helseth, or Danto play and then watch me play, and you will see the beauty in how they play. The constant weaving of skills while keeping everything going.

It’s incredible how once a mistake is made a top player will say, “He is dead, but he just doesn’t know it yet.” It’s a beautiful thing. They can do things that we can’t do at a level that most of us hope to come close too. If you don’t believe me watch the last mist league match with SOAC Blue versus OP. Watch how ridiculous Zoose is with the elementalist, than realize that the player he replaced for that game is still one of the top 10 at his position and couldn’t do what he did.

I actually watch their streams
I think you misunderstood me, or maybe i couldn’t express myself right (because i’m not english).
they PLAY the game, and they are very good at it and they can make every build work, if it’s their build or from someone else (well, maybe not EVERY build, because some are simply not viable, but you get the point)
and then there are people who just make random builds, talking like they have done something important that no one has done before and wanting attention and appreciation for that.

I was not insulting the great players making videos and streaming, because I really love to watch them play (and not for making builds, claiming they are great and not proving anything)

Ive tried your potentate build. Its a good variation of GC and survivability. However it is not nearly as effective as you make it out to be. Its so easily countered by good positioning and plays by other opponents it wouldnt be viable in high level tpvp.

I expect you will take my post as an insult even though its just constructive critism. But whatever.

spoj.9672:

Ive tried your potentate build. Its a good variation of GC and survivability. However it is not nearly as effective as you make it out to be. Its so easily countered by good positioning and plays by other opponents it wouldnt be viable in high level tpvp.

How do u know u used that build properly? Cos u tried it once? I’m not commenting on those builds since i rarely play necro and i’m mainly a ranger but most ppl on this forum are nonsense. The OP offered to help ppl any time he’s on. He’s willing to show how to play those builds. He’s ready to prove himself in game. It’s not like he’s hiding behind his computer like most “i iz pr0” players do. So ye i really don’t understand you guys…talk to him and play with him, then you can come here and kitten talk all you want. Is it that hard? Or maybe some of you are actually scared he might be right on some points?

What about the Dumbfire+Terror+Greater Marks Rabid Build?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjMad6tbKb87JEJFPz1A9YX0FQMSBxEMA-jEyAINBZaBM9JQ5wioxWRLiGrmBTlSEV7RKiWtQATWDA-w

Fjandi.2516:

spoj.9672:

Ive tried your potentate build. Its a good variation of GC and survivability. However it is not nearly as effective as you make it out to be. Its so easily countered by good positioning and plays by other opponents it wouldnt be viable in high level tpvp.

How do u know u used that build properly? Cos u tried it once? I’m not commenting on those builds since i rarely play necro and i’m mainly a ranger but most ppl on this forum are nonsense. The OP offered to help ppl any time he’s on. He’s willing to show how to play those builds. He’s ready to prove himself in game. It’s not like he’s hiding behind his computer like most “i iz pr0” players do. So ye i really don’t understand you guys…talk to him and play with him, then you can come here and kitten talk all you want. Is it that hard? Or maybe some of you are actually scared he might be right on some points?

Because ive seen his video and how he plays it and how he describes playing it. I also use to play a very similar build in pvp. And run wells in PvE. Ive been able to dominate with that type of build loads of times. But even so I can still see it has flaws. Im not blinded by individual skill making it seem decent or bad players getting destroyed by it making it seem amazing. Its not a meta type build as it has very big issues which would just be exploited to hell by decent players.

Im far from a high skilled pvper but even I can see obvious ways to beat the build even if ive never met someone who actually did it to beat me. Its a good build and very effective at lower tier but its definately not meta.

Also theres no way I can play with him. Im on EU hes on NA.

Fjandi.2516:

How do u know u used that build properly? Cos u tried it once? I’m not commenting on those builds since i rarely play necro and i’m mainly a ranger but most ppl on this forum are nonsense. The OP offered to help ppl any time he’s on. He’s willing to show how to play those builds. He’s ready to prove himself in game. It’s not like he’s hiding behind his computer like most “i iz pr0” players do. So ye i really don’t understand you guys…talk to him and play with him, then you can come here and kitten talk all you want. Is it that hard? Or maybe some of you are actually scared he might be right on some points?

Constructive criticism is good. It pushes us to excel. Mindlessly accepting everything someone says leads to complacency.

When sometimes people criticize the builds instead of the person behind them, I read stuff like “build x/x/x outperform yours”, “it has flaws”, “there’s obvious ways to beat that build”, and so on…

So, please, tell us WHY you think so, enlighten us with solid arguments, concrete examples, theory crafting…

Respect us and earn respect in return.

I think what TheMightyAltroll is doing is a great job. No matter how you look at it, it’s an effort to help the community in understanding Necros better. This is his thread, and some players have actually enjoyed some of the builds he posted, so I don’t see why people must feel empowered to post hateful comments.

I am highly disappointed at the amount of top tier players who just can’t let their ego go, let alone how sensitive they can be. Let’s take words for example, meta to someones eyes may mean ‘This is the best build atm’ but to me from his title it was just something catchy to capture his list of builds and tie in with his in-game name. And that makes sense. If you guys are worried some newcomers will be mislead, let them try it first and learn first-hand that these builds aren’t viable. Most rookies are not going to learn anything by just copying ‘top-tier’ (really just fotm) builds. It takes a lot of variety to figure out what this class really is and understand truly what is viable and what isn’t.

Also, rank means nothing and getting on leaderboards means nothing. Top tier players are just fortunate enough to have connections to be able to build better skills by playing with and/or against better players but sometimes I feel like they do have tunnel vision because they’ll more than not play to win than try to make things work.

Criticism is okay, but try it out for yourself before making claims. Seriously tired of ‘Nuh-uh’ battles, but high respect to those who can tolerate this joke of a ‘top-tier’ community. The only ones atm that stand out as super nice is team AL. Keep up the good work Mighty.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

I think what TheMightyAltroll is doing is a great job. No matter how you look at it, it’s an effort to help the community in understanding Necros better. This is his thread, and some players have actually enjoyed some of the builds he posted, so I don’t see why people must feel empowered to post hateful comments.

I am highly disappointed at the amount of top tier players who just can’t let their ego go, let alone how sensitive they can be. Let’s take words for example, meta to someones eyes may mean ‘This is the best build atm’ but to me from his title it was just something catchy to capture his list of builds and tie in with his in-game name. And that makes sense. If you guys are worried some newcomers will be mislead, let them try it first and learn first-hand that these builds aren’t viable. Most rookies are not going to learn anything by just copying ‘top-tier’ (really just fotm) builds. It takes a lot of variety to figure out what this class really is and understand truly what is viable and what isn’t.

Also, rank means nothing and getting on leaderboards means nothing. Top tier players are just fortunate enough to have connections to be able to build better skills by playing with and/or against better players but sometimes I feel like they do have tunnel vision because they’ll more than not play to win than try to make things work.

Criticism is okay, but try it out for yourself before making claims. Seriously tired of ‘Nuh-uh’ battles, but high respect to those who can tolerate this joke of a ‘top-tier’ community. The only ones atm that stand out as super nice is team AL. Keep up the good work Mighty.

Somehow I dont think you’ve read the thread. The top tier players encouraged him, and then he flamed them for their constructive critism. Its his ego which is the problem, not the people posting feedback.

There was another thread created for the sole purpose of trolling this thread and was honestly surprised by the negativity and number of followers. There is a lot of criticism in this thread as well that has nothing to do with being constructive but just another battle of egos.
Too much elitism and I think it is time to let it go.

Zen.8497:

There was another thread created for the sole purpose of trolling this thread and was honestly surprised by the negativity and number of followers. There is a lot of criticism in this thread as well that has nothing to do with being constructive but just another battle of egos.
Too much elitism and I think it is time to let it go.

Read the whole thread. No one was being elitist. They were pointing out flaws to some of the builds, and he reacted aggressively. His last few posts have been much better, but the reason for the arguments was that players were supportive and encouraging while adding some points that he might want to look at. No one has any issue with the builds, though they do have flaws. The issue was the response to constructive criticism.

I may have missed some things again, but looking back. It wasn’t much constructive criticism as it was ‘I know better, trust me’ which can’t be called criticism because you lack the experience of actually trying it out. At least in regards to Xaragon’s initial response even though he put it in a somewhat humble manner, it already started off as a ‘It won’t work’ as opposed to a ‘I tried it, but found some flaws’ which are two very different approaches (one is ignorant and one is more analytical and constructive).

I believe in constructive criticism, but I don’t believe in theoretical showdowns. As opposed to Altroll who I’m sure actually tried his builds (or I would hope). I don’t think many of the repliers actually tried them but instead looks at it in a theoretical view as opposed to a first-hand experience view. If you did try it, lay out the flaws you found, give feedback, and see what Mighty has to say in response, ideally it becomes a productive conversation and if the flaw is huge, I’m sure Mighty wouldn’t be that ignorant of it. Conversations takes two. If you come storming in with a strong opinion, might as well not post at all—because it won’t help either side learn anything.

Edit: And if you did try it out and still disagree, 1) don’t use it. 2) step through your thoughts on what flaws a specific build has. 3) shake hands. Not really that hard. What are we really fighting for here? Egos or newcomers? If it’s newcomers, they need to start somewhere, and even if they pick up builds that aren’t for them, I trust that they’ll learn like how any of us did.

I must jump to the defense of the necro community here.

This guy sent me in game, I tried very hard to be civil and have a conversation just to get his viewpoint and share mine. Its was useless he does not talk with people he talks AT people what you say any point you make bounces off.

It went something like this do you think necros can be the best bunkers in the game Xom?

My response: They can be tanky but have flaws, lack of stability is a main issue as a heavy knock back class can contest without even killing the necro.

Him: CAPS lock rage ranting about testing vs guard and how the necro lasted 2 mins and the guard only 45 seconds.

In the end he wanted to test me see how good I was, so I melted his 2100 toughness ‘bunker’ necro in 15 seconds…. He started telling me what I did wrong and the play mistakes I made how terrible I was at necro how everyone on the leaderboards are trash…. Im not even a top player Im just some random WvW dude that ran a meta build and melted his greatest bunker build in a flash. The fact he thinks Im terrible should make him rethink his bunker build, rethink his whole raging at others who say the builds dont work at a high level of play….. but nope it did not phase him it only put him into insane rage.

He refuses to reason he does not understand game concepts or context at all. I’m done being even mildly civil, where most people are calmer and easier to talk with in game then in the forums he is the exact opposite….

The necro community are not in some giant conspiracy against him, if anything we are too nice the other class communities totally rejected him so because of our high tolerance and helpfulness this is where he lives now.

I don’t think it’s a matter of which build is better even though somehow that’s what this became. The original intention of this post is to give some build variations to people who are willing to try them out. Everyone gets provoked and I’m sure he does too. It’s hard to listen to anything anyone has to say when you feel like no one listens to you first even if the other party makes a point. Cause and effect. The only reason why I’m actually defending this post is because it’s his thread. Really tried of people always having to have some egotistical say on someone’s thread when it’s not the point of the thread at all. It’s pick-up, try out, feedback, Q&A.

Regardless of your bad experience Xom, this thread has good intentions, no point in trying to attack a person trying something. If you make a thread, and he attacks you; sure, I’ll be writing the same posts back at him.

I do like that you are playing devils advocate, necro community is full of level headed adults.

He has trolled me multiple times he is one of the reason I dont post much in the necro forums. I tried to make post your builds and their target job threads before, this dude trolled it until anet deleted I doubt he or anyone remembers it was months ago. If another necro has an idea that is getting good feedback he will come into the thread and start kitten. He rages at anyone getting good feedback that is not him.

Also as stated many times his builds are not meta they are also not his builds, they are decent mess around builds for spvp. I’m not actually knocking the builds for what they are, I have an issue with his mis-information as he has a habit of flaming anyone that posts a real meta build.

15 seconds his bunker was melted 1 v 1 it would of been under 10 seconds in a 2 v 1 situation. This is a truth and its not insulting to point it out that the reason other classes are used for team bunker role is because of their ability to handle DD and condi.

Xom.9264:

I do like that you are playing devils advocate, necro community is full of level headed adults.

He has trolled me multiple times he is one of the reason I dont post much in the necro forums. I tried to make post your builds and their target job threads before, this dude trolled it until anet deleted I doubt he or anyone remembers it was months ago. If another necro has an idea that is getting good feedback he will come into the thread and start kitten. He rages at anyone getting good feedback that is not him.

Also as stated many times his builds are not meta they are also not his builds, they are decent mess around builds for spvp. I’m not actually knocking the builds for what they are, I have an issue with his mis-information as he has a habit of flaming anyone that posts a real meta build.

15 seconds his bunker was melted 1 v 1 it would of been under 10 seconds in a 2 v 1 situation. This is a truth and its not insulting to point it out that the reason other classes are used for team bunker role is because of their ability to handle DD and condi.

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

Spazza.6024:

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

It was my necro….. running the build he said multiple times in this very thread is terrible. Anyway point is guardian would of lasted much long same with an eng if I could even manage the solo kill same with ele. He died fast for a few reason but mainly no stability.

xom you talk like you are the best in spvp, but i cant see you under the top 300

drbeat.4912:

xom you talk like you are the best in spvp, but i cant see you under the top 300

On the chance that this post isn’t sarcastic:
1. The same argument was made against AlTroll.
2. If anything, this means that the “bunker” build really is bad, because a non-pro could beat it in 15 seconds.

Btw Xom, I’m sad your epic thread is gone

spoj.9672:

Also theres no way I can play with him. Im on EU hes on NA.

I know m8 my comment wasn’t directed at you specifically.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Constructive criticism is good. It pushes us to excel. Mindlessly accepting everything someone says leads to complacency.

Absolutely, that’s why i don’t like copying builds made by other players; i have my own head and i like using it. Tbh i really liked the video made by the OP i remember at the end he said something like “don’t copy meta builds, think with your own head, my build is really strong but you might find something even stronger”. I mean i completely agree with him on this, that’s why i don’t really understand his attitude on the forum sometimes.

drbeat.4912:

xom you talk like you are the best in spvp, but i cant see you under the top 300

Atleast he doesnt outright claim hes the best and say all top players are scrubs.

drbeat.4912:

xom you talk like you are the best in spvp

Really? Do you even read posts?

Xom.9264:

Im not even a top player Im just some random WvW dude that ran a meta build

drbeat.4912:

xom you talk like you are the best in spvp, but i cant see you under the top 300

Hmm.

Xom.9264:

Im not even a top player Im just some random WvW dude that ran a meta build and melted his greatest bunker build in a flash.

Xom.9264:

Spazza.6024:

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

It was my necro….. running the build he said multiple times in this very thread is terrible. Anyway point is guardian would of lasted much long same with an eng if I could even manage the solo kill same with ele. He died fast for a few reason but mainly no stability.

I have to admit I really didn’t read many of the posts in this thread (too many wall of texts). But from a brief overview of the topic are you talking about the 30/30/10/0/0 build? Id like to face you

Also ill have to disagree with the lack of stability. Necro has the most direct access to stability of any class (Stability for 3 seconds while going into death shroud….. which has a 10 second cool down as soon as you leave it). What we do lack is long sustained stability durations like Guardian, Ele and Warrior (I am not counting elites). But this also means since we don’t have access to a super long stability we have to be careful and think when we want to use it. Pretty much don’t use your DS unless you need to block a giant burst, as a dodge to block a knockback/stun if you see it coming), or fear some one off a point and if you do don’t stay in it long (although if you get the timing down you can also try for the fear right at the end of DS5)

Fjandi.2516:

Blaine Tog.8304:

Constructive criticism is good. It pushes us to excel. Mindlessly accepting everything someone says leads to complacency.

Absolutely, that’s why i don’t like copying builds made by other players; i have my own head and i like using it. Tbh i really liked the video made by the OP i remember at the end he said something like “don’t copy meta builds, think with your own head, my build is really strong but you might find something even stronger”. I mean i completely agree with him on this, that’s why i don’t really understand his attitude on the forum sometimes.

That’s what I was saying: no one was ripping on this guy until he started lashing out over every little bit of constructive criticism.

Also, I find our responses to drbeat amusing.

Spazza.6024:

Also ill have to disagree with the lack of stability. Necro has the most direct access to stability of any class (Stability for 3 seconds while going into death shroud….. which has a 10 second cool down as soon as you leave it). What we do lack is long sustained stability durations like Guardian, Ele and Warrior (I am not counting elites). But this also means since we don’t have access to a super long stability we have to be careful and think when we want to use it. Pretty much don’t use your DS unless you need to block a giant burst, as a dodge to block a knockback/stun if you see it coming), or fear some one off a point and if you do don’t stay in it long (although if you get the timing down you can also try for the fear right at the end of DS5)

If you’re willing to devote 30 trait points, a grandmaster trait, and a master trait to it, Necros can have some decent access to stability. That’s a pretty big investment, though, and it generally forces you into a power build lest you waste a massive portion of your trait points. Most other professions can get Stability for longer durations with less of an investment, and they don’t have to just sit on their profession mechanic to use it.

I want to face Xom with a 30/10/0/0/30 build – DS smash versus the cannon of 30/30/10/0/0.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Spazza.6024:

Also ill have to disagree with the lack of stability. Necro has the most direct access to stability of any class (Stability for 3 seconds while going into death shroud….. which has a 10 second cool down as soon as you leave it). What we do lack is long sustained stability durations like Guardian, Ele and Warrior (I am not counting elites). But this also means since we don’t have access to a super long stability we have to be careful and think when we want to use it. Pretty much don’t use your DS unless you need to block a giant burst, as a dodge to block a knockback/stun if you see it coming), or fear some one off a point and if you do don’t stay in it long (although if you get the timing down you can also try for the fear right at the end of DS5)

If you’re willing to devote 30 trait points, a grandmaster trait, and a master trait to it, Necros can have some decent access to stability. That’s a pretty big investment, though, and it generally forces you into a power build lest you waste a massive portion of your trait points. Most other professions can get Stability for longer durations with less of an investment, and they don’t have to just sit on their profession mechanic to use it.

I agree if you are playing as a condition/power burst build you really don’t have access to stability. But as a bunker/tankier build that is one of the best traits you can take and which makes (at least in my opinion) a necro capable of bunkering quite well.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Let’s take words for example, meta to someones eyes may mean ‘This is the best build atm’ but to me from his title it was just something catchy to capture his list of builds and tie in with his in-game name.

So when someone tries to sell you a car and says “this car is red and has 360 horsepower engine” and when you see the brown car with the 200 horsepower engine, you’re cool with that? You’re cool with the used car salesman saying this car is the best and any engineer who says otherwise is ignorant and elitist?

I’m sorry, I really can’t understand your position here.

Xom.9264:

Spazza.6024:

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

It was my necro….. running the build he said multiple times in this very thread is terrible. Anyway point is guardian would of lasted much long same with an eng if I could even manage the solo kill same with ele. He died fast for a few reason but mainly no stability.

Want to know why I got annoyed at you? Because you don’t understand context at all. I explained to you 15 times that the build was not a bunker, and that it was not a test of builds. You were infact fighting my “Blind Cold and Afraid” build being ran by someone new, it has virtually no single target pressure, and is made to control groups of enemies using Chill, Blind, Poison, and Fear. I wanted to see how well you actually played the class. I spectated you, saw how you played, with the honest intention of seeing if I should be willing to listen to your ‘advice’ or not. You turned out to be one of the worst Necro players I have ever seen, with no knowledge of tPvP whatsoever. Which I could have looked past if you had any possible way of understanding CONTEXT. Which you do not. I explained 500 times that duels do not matter, that this was simply to see how you performed.

You kept saying that you beat a 1v1 build when we kept explaining to you that it was -NOT- a 1v1 build. It was a 5v5 build with NO focus on severe damage, unlike your 30/30/10/0/0. I had Tut Tut use the build, so that I could test how well you performed when being consistently controlled, I was going to also test you on different classes/builds. Again, to see if you knew what you were talking about enough to actually legitimately criticize me. However you left after the first test, claiming to have beaten a duelist build when we told you 100 times you were wrong. You even would have lost too had you not started out the match farming Life Force with minions to fight someone with 0% life force too. So the test was moot, not that winning/losing in 1v1s matters anyway.

I actually have screenshots of you failing to miss context when 2-3 people were explaining subject matter to you. THAT is why I’m no longer willing to take you seriously.

Now, taking all of that into account, that:

A) Xom doesn’t know Necro very well

B) He doesn’t understand tPvP very well

C) He does not have the capability of understanding subject matter/context of sentences.

Why should I be willing to listen to his advice, when I honestly offered to HELP HIM LEARN ONE OF MY BUILDS so that I could sway his opinion, yet he denied it. I was willing to sway his opinion, or to admit I was wrong. No, he is an impudent Necromancer with nothing to show for it.

spoj.9672:

Atleast he doesnt outright claim hes the best and say all top players are scrubs.

I never claimed that either. Zombify is a far better Necro than I, but I guarantee I have better builds than he does.

As for the Potentate thing, I don’t know if you used it well, since it is a very difficult build to master. I have yet to see many people use it properly without direct help from myself. However I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you used it perfectly. If that is the case, please explain in detail where you felt it had severe weakness. I only know of 2 major weaknesses to the build, heavy CC focus (which is a problem for Necro in general), and off-point fighting (which is why I don’t recommend it for WvW). By the way, I wouldn’t use the gameplay video as a 100% flawless guide, I simply recorded it to give people an sense of direction of how to use it, I cannot play well at all with my recording software running since it lags me something awful. I made about 10,000 mistakes during that record.

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Either your build is crap, the 30/30/10 is not, or Xom is a better necro than you give him credit for. I’m gonna go ahead and say it’s all 3.

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Way to miss context much like Xom. It’s not a 1v1 build, it’s not effective at winning on it’s own. It’s a team build that practically gimps another team with control conditions. I told Xom long before the match that the duel would not matter, whether or not he wins or loses. I had multiple tests lined up with other builds. I guarantee that he would have lost against the other builds as well. Also, even if the duel did matter, he started out with 100% life force whereas Tut Tut started with 0%.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I actually have screenshots of you failing to miss context when 2-3 people were explaining subject matter to you.

Care to post them? While they wouldn’t definitively resolve this he-said-she-said you two have going, it would be nice to have something concrete in evidence.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Why should I be willing to listen to his advice, when I honestly offered to HELP HIM LEARN ONE OF MY BUILDS so that I could sway his opinion, yet he denied it.

You were trying to convince him that you’re right. You weren’t doing him a favor, and it is misleading to imply that you were.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Way to miss context much like Xom. It’s not a 1v1 build, it’s not effective at winning on it’s own. It’s a team build that practically gimps another team with control conditions. I told Xom long before the match that the duel would not matter, whether or not he wins or loses. I had multiple tests lined up.

Ok, but a “team build” that melts in 15 seconds to a player you claim is terrible and using a terrible build doesn’t really help your argument. Team builds still need to survive more than 15 seconds against terrible players. Am I wrong?

Blaine Tog.8304:

Ok, but a “team build” that melts in 15 seconds to a player you claim is terrible and using a terrible build doesn’t really help your argument. Team builds still need to survive more than 15 seconds against terrible players. Am I wrong?

You’re not. No one is asking any of these builds to win at anything, but if they could last for 2 heals vs apparently bad players playing bad builds, that might be a plus. Especially if they’re a ‘control’ build.

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I actually have screenshots of you failing to miss context when 2-3 people were explaining subject matter to you.

Care to post them? While they wouldn’t definitively resolve this he-said-she-said you two have going, it would be nice to have something concrete in evidence.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Why should I be willing to listen to his advice, when I honestly offered to HELP HIM LEARN ONE OF MY BUILDS so that I could sway his opinion, yet he denied it.

You were trying to convince him that you’re right. You weren’t doing him a favor, and it is misleading to imply that you were.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Way to miss context much like Xom. It’s not a 1v1 build, it’s not effective at winning on it’s own. It’s a team build that practically gimps another team with control conditions. I told Xom long before the match that the duel would not matter, whether or not he wins or loses. I had multiple tests lined up.

Ok, but a “team build” that melts in 15 seconds to a player you claim is terrible and using a terrible build doesn’t really help your argument. Team builds still need to survive more than 15 seconds against terrible players. Am I wrong?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, by the way, and again, Xom stacked everything in his favor regardless. Tut Tut didn’t use his elite, didn’t have Deathshroud, and it wasn’t an on-point/team battle.

Also, I’ll give you one screenshot for now until I sort them:

I was trying to be as respectable as I possibly could, to take him seriously, and try to show him why my builds are good.

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

My favourite part right now is how you’re arguing that 30/30/10 is a better 1v1 build than your ‘team’ build. 30/30/10 is a team build. It’s crap 1v1, but it’s very very good at filling a couple of key roles on teams.

Mammoth.1975:

My favourite part right now is how you’re arguing that 30/30/10 is a better 1v1 build than your ‘team’ build. 30/30/10 is a team build. It’s crap 1v1, but it’s very very good at filling a couple of key roles on teams.

You still fail to understand context. 30/30/10/0/0 has alot of damage behind it. My Blind Cold and Afraid build has virtually no strong damage behind it, it is purely based on control conditions. It’s job is to SHUT DOWN an enemy team for your team to wipe them out. You’re just as bad as Xom at understanding context, atleast most of these other players are reasonable in this thread. You and he are simply pathetic.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mammoth.1975:

My favourite part right now is how you’re arguing that 30/30/10 is a better 1v1 build than your ‘team’ build. 30/30/10 is a team build. It’s crap 1v1, but it’s very very good at filling a couple of key roles on teams.

You still fail to understand context. 30/30/10/0/0 has alot of damage behind it. My Blind Cold and Afraid build has virtually no strong damage behind it, it is purely based on control conditions. You’re just as bad as Xom, atleast most of these other players are reasonable in this thread. You and he are simply pathetic.

Because glass wins 1v1s. You really should have listened when you were told to quit while you’re way behind.

Tbh i think your more of a clown for wasting his time instead of just dueling him with your necro.

Mammoth, you do realize that Blind Cold and Afraid is also glassy, right? Again, 100% Life force vs 0% life force. Learn to read context for the billionth time. Because if you continue to fail reading context, I’m going to ignore the rest of your posts like I should have done in all of your posts on every thread ever.

Spoj, he didn’t want me to duel on my Necro. He told me to duel on a different class, and actually wanted to fight my Warrior in a 1v1 for deletion of an 80. Which I still could have probably beaten him on. Then when I accepted and suggested for a point-fight simulating a tourney environment, he backed out. Besides, duels don’t matter.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

The screenshot attached to this post makes you look a lot worse than it makes Xo look. Just sayin’.

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

The screenshot attached to this post makes you look a lot worse than it makes Xo look. Just sayin’.

There was alot of his nonsense leading up to that, after a while Tut and myself got tired of him. I realized it was going no where. I didn’t screenshot until after he started being weird and quit the test. I was as respectable/nice as I could possibly be in the beginning, though still cynical that it wouldn’t work. I’ve dealt with forumites before in competitive games, and they are generally never swayed. As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

If you do not believe my screenshots/word, Tut Tut is my witness, and halfway through the conversation another person with no past ties to me joined the convo and also began to immediately find Xom to be unable to understand basic subject matter, he also apparently found Xom to be unpleasant, though I thought he was pleasant, just misguided.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mammoth, you do realize that Blind Cold and Afraid is also glassy, right? Again, 100% Life force vs 0% life force. Learn to read context for the billionth time. Because if you continue to fail reading context, I’m going to ignore the rest of your posts like I should have done in all of your posts on every thread ever.

Spoj, he didn’t want me to duel on my Necro. He told me to duel on a different class, and actually wanted to fight my Warrior in a 1v1 for deletion of an 80. Which I still could have probably beaten him on. Then when I accepted and suggested for a point-fight simulating a tourney environment, he backed out. Besides, duels don’t matter.

Point fights don’t even simulate a tourney environment. If you’re a necro and you have to stand on point, something has already gone very wrong. For the billionth time, this is stuff you should know before you start trying to help.

All I’m getting is that your ‘team build’ dies in 24 seconds to a single player, so 6-8 seconds to focus fire, and does no damage. Lucky it has all that control, or I guess it would die in four seconds flat?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

The screenshot attached to this post makes you look a lot worse than it makes Xo look. Just sayin’.

There was alot of his nonsense leading up to that, after a while Tut and myself got tired of him. I realized it was going no where. I didn’t screenshot until after he started being weird and quit the test. I was as respectable/nice as I could possibly be in the beginning, though still cynical that it wouldn’t work. I’ve dealt with forumites before in competitive games, and they are generally never swayed. As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

If you do not believe my screenshots/word, Tut Tut is my witness, and halfway through the conversation another person with no past ties to me joined the convo and also began to immediately find Xom to be unable to understand basic subject matter.

You are one of those forumites aswell though. You disregard almost everyones opinion and claim they are wrong with no proof.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

The screenshot attached to this post makes you look a lot worse than it makes Xo look. Just sayin’.

There was alot of his nonsense leading up to that, after a while Tut and myself got tired of him. I realized it was going no where. I didn’t screenshot until after he started being weird and quit the test. I was as respectable/nice as I could possibly be in the beginning, though still cynical that it wouldn’t work. I’ve dealt with forumites before in competitive games, and they are generally never swayed. As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

If you do not believe my screenshots/word, Tut Tut is my witness, and halfway through the conversation another person with no past ties to me joined the convo and also began to immediately find Xom to be unable to understand basic subject matter.

Who is Tut Tut? Is he a friend of yours? I haven’t heard of him.