Guild Wars 2

Is this still on? I really want to watch the footage.

Well, Bas wasn’t on, it seems, and I could barely talk to him to set it up.

To my knowledge, no teams wanted to bother with it.

I was truly hoping to demonstrate what Necromancer could really do when not chained to bad metas.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I was truly hoping to demonstrate what Necromancer could really do when not chained to bad metas.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

30/30/10/0/0 is a bad meta, and there were bad metas even before that.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/30/10/0/0 is a bad meta, and there were bad metas even before that.

Metas are neither good nor bad, they just are. This is why the other poster questioned your understanding of the word.

Metagaming – a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game.

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/30/10/0/0 is a bad meta, and there were bad metas even before that.

Metas are neither good nor bad, they just are. This is why the other poster questioned your understanding of the word.

It’s the current meta. The 30/30/10/0/0 is bad. How does this not translate to the meta being a bad one? I’m stating that 30/30/10/0/0 is not worthy of being a meta build.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/30/10/0/0 is a bad meta, and there were bad metas even before that.

Metas are neither good nor bad, they just are. This is why the other poster questioned your understanding of the word.

It’s the current meta. The 30/30/10/0/0 is bad. How does this not translate to the meta being a bad one? I’m stating that 30/30/10/0/0 is not worthy of being a meta build.

Worthy or not, it is the meta. That’s it. There’s no bad meta or good meta, just the current meta. That’s it. I’m not sure how else to explain it.

Yes. I know what the meta is, and I know how a meta works. However my goal is to get the meta changed.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes. I know what the meta is, and I know how a meta works. However my goal is to get the meta changed.

Honestly, the best way to do that is to introduce an element the current meta can’t cope with. If you think your builds are that element, then create a team using your proposed meta and climb to the top of the leaderboards. That will change the meta. That or just win the official upcoming tournament.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes. I know what the meta is, and I know how a meta works. However my goal is to get the meta changed.

The meta is almost always defined and influenced by high level players. Look at games like League of Legends. Whether a pro actually came up with the strategy or not, the general meta, especially champion picks and bans, and itemization is generally changed by very high level players that people look up to and respect.

Why do I say this? You go out of your way to flame high level players. To my knowledge, and correct me if I am wrong, but the majority of high level players don’t respect you or like you because of your attitude. You have kitten ed off and antagonized the very people you need to accomplish what you want. So, good luck changing the meta.

Bhawb.7408:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes. I know what the meta is, and I know how a meta works. However my goal is to get the meta changed.

The meta is almost always defined and influenced by high level players. Look at games like League of Legends. Whether a pro actually came up with the strategy or not, the general meta, especially champion picks and bans, and itemization is generally changed by very high level players that people look up to and respect.

Why do I say this? You go out of your way to flame high level players. To my knowledge, and correct me if I am wrong, but the majority of high level players don’t respect you or like you because of your attitude. You have kitten ed off and antagonized the very people you need to accomplish what you want. So, good luck changing the meta.

I have the highest respect for high level players, I simply state that most of their builds are bad, or simply lacking. Gibbly is the only ‘high level’ player that I dislike intently.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/30/10/0/0 is a bad meta, and there were bad metas even before that.

30/30/10/0/0 is a build, not a meta. It’s like you’re showing me a Honda Civic but keep referring to it as a car dealership, or Route 69. Nails on a chalkboard, man.

So where is the said 30/30/10 build? Is it for WvW, or generic?

It is a PvP build, made for tournaments.

That’s honestly really useful

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I have the highest respect for high level players, I simply state that most of their builds are bad, or simply lacking. Gibbly is the only ‘high level’ player that I dislike intently.

Thats not what you told me, you listed names saying they were all bad then went on to say all top necros are bad other then zombie something. /shrug

Well we got a few weeks of peace, it was wonderful. Now I guess its back to constant posting about ‘meta’ and use of the word context with zero understanding of either word.

/pop corn… 13… 14… 15!

Please don’t stop , the pop is getting cold.

Meta = A general notion on which builds are based around that is on common ground to everyone. IE: CC stacking, high mobility teams, AoE teams, bunker teams.

Breaking the Meta = Going against this general notion to create a counter to the common ground, thus forming a new meta.

30/30/10 is not a meta. The burst/lockdown the build creates is part of the current meta.

Therefore, specific builds are not metas.

This thread reminds me of Stargate Universe. Is it really over?

Hey everybody.
As this thread was turning into an unhealthy conversation, we strongly recommend to calm down a little and stay polite and constructive. Thank you for your understanding.

As the moderator said… relaxing is sort of the answer. If i were to get upset over all the stupid things people tell me (doesn’t matter who said the stupid things, one side or the other…), i would be mad 24/7.

It’s hard to handle people… especially when they were you down, they are high in numbers or one individual is as stubborn as 300.
I’ve learned in my path to internet fame, to let things slide… there’s simply no time or energy in the world to deal with everyone.

One can only do the best he can… and wait to be loved or/and hated for what he has done…

ps: i know i engaged in arguments as well, and i know i shouldn’t have… but hey… do what the guru says, not what the guru does. GL to you all

I hope I never get to the point where I’m so serious that I stop having FUN.

The quest to getting better is much more rewarding than the quest to be the best.

Metta World Peace is the only real meta!

flow.6043:

What?? You think settling a disagreement about what builds are stronger in a round of tPvP by actually fighting it out is “medieval”?
But you would do the very same thing if the argument was about Street Fighter 4???

Btw I’m hyped to see that match!

I apologize to everyone I pulled the plug on the match for the time being. We had some issues with SOAC teams and it took my ability from being able to monitor and do this right. The goal of the match was to simply illustrate new builds, but many of the teams that I knew felt it wouldn’t accomplish much outside of making people feel like they one upped Altroll. They felt that would hurt the game more than help it.

Stop discussing irrelevant matters and get the match(es) going, fksake.
Or else, I’ll meta your sorry a§§ all the way to the Moon for giving us a false drama teasers.
Honestly, the 1 month old kittens we got at home are more manly than this. Grow a pair.

Edit: At above, wad kind of reply is dat supposed to be? It doesn’t even qualify for an excuse of an excuse.
Hello Kitten Online —>

At Mods, it appears this thread has served its purpose, for it has been established everyone is a load of scaredy-kittens. You may put the thread to its eternal rest now.

What a waste of time&bandwidth.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Stop discussing irrelevant matters and get the match(es) going, fksake.
Or else, I’ll meta your sorry a§§ all the way to the Moon for giving us a false drama teasers.
Honestly, the 1 month old kittens we got at home are more manly than this. Grow a pair.

Edit: At above, wad kind of reply is dat supposed to be? It doesn’t even qualify for an excuse of an excuse.
Hello Kitten Online —>

At Mods, it appears this thread has served its purpose, for it has been established everyone is a load of scaredy-kittens. You may put the thread to its eternal rest now.

What a waste of time&bandwidth.

Hahaha… why are you so upset ? I was curious what people have to say, and i see you….

Nemesis.8593:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Stop discussing irrelevant matters and get the match(es) going, fksake.
Or else, I’ll meta your sorry a§§ all the way to the Moon for giving us a false drama teasers.
Honestly, the 1 month old kittens we got at home are more manly than this. Grow a pair.

Edit: At above, wad kind of reply is dat supposed to be? It doesn’t even qualify for an excuse of an excuse.
Hello Kitten Online —>

At Mods, it appears this thread has served its purpose, for it has been established everyone is a load of scaredy-kittens. You may put the thread to its eternal rest now.

What a waste of time&bandwidth.

Hahaha… why are you so upset ? I was curious what people have to say, and i see you….

lol, I agree, why the sudden snap?

Nemesis.8593:

I was curious what people have to say, and i see you….

People had a lot to say about the meta (!), what you on about. Weirdo.

Anyhow, a little tiny bit of me was actually somewhat looking forward to it.
Talk about a let down. But disapointment does seem to be a recurring feeling associated mostly with GW2, so idk why I still expect anything to start with. Heh.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Nemesis.8593:

I was curious what people have to say, and i see you….

People had a lot to say about the meta (!), what you on about. Weirdo.

Anyhow, a little tiny bit of me was actually somewhat looking forward to it.
Talk about a let down. But disapointment does seem to be a recurring feeling associated mostly with GW2, so idk why I still expect anything to start with. Heh.

Did you just call me a weirdo ? Hahaha… “u mad bro ?”
“Why So seriousssssssss ?”

It’s just a game ?

WTS lessons on reckognizing trolls.
Why so bu??hurt?

KarlaGrey.5903:

WTS lessons on reckognizing trolls.
Why so bu??hurt?

I buy 1 dolla, giv… 2 lessons 1 dolla deal yes no ?
Ok i’ll stop, we might get flagged by the admins, and i do wish to post important things in the near future on this forums.

It was nice meeting you mate, good luck.

Please contact the purchase department for further information.

Edit: Well, this thread served its purpose, so no harm was done!
But I don’t really intend on posting anything important outside criticism, so I’m good in that department.

And just when you thought the bag of crazy was empty.

Just curious…

In your “Tormentor” build, what would you recommend in place of the Sigils of Parylization now that they no longer affect fear duration?

Also, what changes would you recommend to that build if I was considering taking it into WvW? Thanks in advance, Altroll.

lull how did this thread turn into some meta philosophy study/debate. I mean if Altrol thinks his builds would do better than what most meta gamers use then.. its a free country/internet. Whats the problem?

I think its a nice assortment of builds. I think in the end its up to the player to find what works for them. The builds I like to think of as guides. They have a job and provide the as much efficiency as altrol and collaborators could surmise.

As far as do these builds work better than the ones used in the current meta? There’s no real proof of that but its possible. So why all the aggravation?

I’m sure the overall point most of BoC is making is if these builds are not currently being used in the current meta than they are not meta builds. But in layman’s terms, others could describe meta as being the most efficient form of achieving victory. The latter description is by no means accurate to its definition, but its easy to relate it to its meaning.

Some of these builds have been rendered worthless by the recent patch.

I’m going to have to take another look at a few of them, see if I can modify them. I’m highly disappointed in Arenanet.

I think we’re all disappointed in ANet at this point. Thanks for the work mate, time to do the usual and see what we can salvage from the wreckage.

Alright, here’s a new variation of one of my Hybrid builds:

Lictor
30/20/0/20/0
V, VIII, XI, IV, IX, III, VIII
6 Runes of the Elementalist
Carrion Amulet <- Berserker’s Jewel
Scepter (Sigil of Air) Dagger (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Axe/Dagger (Sigil of Air) Focus (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Consume Conditions, Well of Suffering/Spectral Wall, Well of Corruption, Corrupt Boon/Spectral Walk, Lich/Plague Form

tPvP tested. Best used in an Assault team. Strongly aided by Thieves, namely Venom Share Thieves, and Shatter Mesmers. Weak against Meditation Guardians.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, here’s a new variation of one of my Hybrid builds:

Lictor
30/20/0/20/0
V, VIII, XI, IV, IX, III, VIII
6 Runes of the Elementalist
Carrion Amulet <- Berserker’s Jewel
Scepter (Sigil of Air) Dagger (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Axe/Dagger (Sigil of Air) Focus (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Consume Conditions, Well of Suffering/Spectral Wall, Well of Corruption, Corrupt Boon/Spectral Walk, Lich/Plague Form

tPvP tested. Best used in an Assault team. Strongly aided by Thieves, namely Venom Share Thieves, and Shatter Mesmers. Weak against Meditation Guardians.

might have to try this one out. wells ftw

Didn’t you “leave your necro to your mesmer because of all the ongoing changes?” lol. Not to mention you wanted them to nerf us further…

Our damage in a very specific setup, needs nerfing in PvP, pretty much everyone agrees with this.

Bhawb.7408:

Our damage in a very specific setup, needs nerfing in PvP, pretty much everyone agrees with this.

The only problem is that they won’t nerf only in PvP…

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, here’s a new variation of one of my Hybrid builds:

Lictor
30/20/0/20/0
V, VIII, XI, IV, IX, III, VIII
6 Runes of the Elementalist
Carrion Amulet <- Berserker’s Jewel
Scepter (Sigil of Air) Dagger (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Axe/Dagger (Sigil of Air) Focus (Sigil of Geomancy/Smoldering)
Consume Conditions, Well of Suffering/Spectral Wall, Well of Corruption, Corrupt Boon/Spectral Walk, Lich/Plague Form

tPvP tested. Best used in an Assault team. Strongly aided by Thieves, namely Venom Share Thieves, and Shatter Mesmers. Weak against Meditation Guardians.

There’s no point in having on crit sigils, and on swap sigils. They will continually rule each other out. I’m not sure what your crit % will be in this build, but if it isn’t particularly high, then there’s no point in having on crit sigil. If it’s high, then your on swap sigil will never proc, due to IC. You need to have complimentary sigils, and make sure both sigils on both weapon sets will always work, when they have to.

Azraeel.1238:

Bhawb.7408:

Our damage in a very specific setup, needs nerfing in PvP, pretty much everyone agrees with this.

The only problem is that they won’t nerf only in PvP…

Meanwhile, they only nerf PvP.

Dietzen.6127:

There’s no point in having on crit sigils, and on swap sigils. They will continually rule each other out. I’m not sure what your crit % will be in this build, but if it isn’t particularly high, then there’s no point in having on crit sigil. If it’s high, then your on swap sigil will never proc, due to IC. You need to have complimentary sigils, and make sure both sigils on both weapon sets will always work, when they have to.

The crit chance is somewhat low outside of Deathshroud, so the onswap sigils will work. Also, I don’t swap much in this build, and I tend to be aware of the Air Sigil’s proc. Plus, I tend to use the Smoldering SIgils offhand.

Anyhow, you’re not telling me anything I do not know. Most good players know how to juggle those types of sigils effectively.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Azraeel.1238:

Bhawb.7408:

Our damage in a very specific setup, needs nerfing in PvP, pretty much everyone agrees with this.

The only problem is that they won’t nerf only in PvP…

Meanwhile, they only nerf PvP.

Dietzen.6127:

There’s no point in having on crit sigils, and on swap sigils. They will continually rule each other out. I’m not sure what your crit % will be in this build, but if it isn’t particularly high, then there’s no point in having on crit sigil. If it’s high, then your on swap sigil will never proc, due to IC. You need to have complimentary sigils, and make sure both sigils on both weapon sets will always work, when they have to.

The crit chance is somewhat low outside of Deathshroud, so the onswap sigils will work. Also, I don’t swap much in this build, and I tend to be aware of the Air Sigil’s proc. Plus, I tend to use the Smoldering SIgils offhand.

Anyhow, you’re not telling me anything I do not know. Most good players know how to juggle those types of sigils effectively.

Most good players know how to juggle….. you’re telling me that in a battle against multiple enemies, you can distinctively spot the air sigil proc, and wait 5 seconds before switching? I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t make sense to have both, and it doesn’t. You can’t be sure you will always get the on-swap to proc, you just can’t. And if you can’t be sure, then it’s just not wise to use.

It works rather well, either way if you use it properly, you spike your opponent with white damage, or bleeds. Even if you don’t know what you’re doing with it. If you don’t like Geomancy, or cannot use it effectively with a shared ICD, then switch to Smoldering.