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So i’m a relatively new player who has recently gotten into PvP using Nemesis’ fear build (with some changes in the utilities). I’ve been liking it so far and im currently glory rank 19 using only my necro and pretty much the same build.

Though something bothers me, over the past month or so that i’ve been pvping, i’ve had tons of players commenting on how much they hate fear or just simply how annoying it is to deal with. Though most of these messages are just light-hearted comments or made for the sake of humor, it still bothers me that it seems like i’m relying on a mechanic that frustrates people. I can see what they mean, the fear/bleed chain is brutal when it connects, especially to classes that have limited stun breaks and rely on stability, which then can be corrupted into more fear.

Today i encountered a glory rank 40+ mesmer who said that the damage for fear is outright broken and that i was exploiting an imbalanced mechanic that messes with the balance of pvp. I reasoned to him that i have had many other good players beat the kitten out of me but he insists that i was just a bad player (which i am to some extent) using fear as a crutch.

Is there some grain of truth to what he, and a few others say? Is the fear build broken and imbalanced?

Fear suffer from both being a condition and a disable.

And that mesmer prolly didn’t have any condition removal equip to counter any of your conditions.

Pretty funny from a mesmer to call you cheap.

Nobody is calling fear imbalanced, frustrated people will call anything OP.

Nope. Fear has so little duration compared to other cc’s. The damage amounts to about the same damage as 12 stacks of bleed would. Which is fair seeing as in pvp conditions are constantly removed so it makes it difficult to stack bleeds. Fear just gives the necro that much more viability with conditions in pvp. A player with plenty of stun breaks and condition removal is still difficult for a terror necro to take down quickly. Once those conditions are removed, were doing no damage until we build them back up which takes time due to necro’s slow rate of condition application.

Yeah rude people are just rude. Of all the classes to complain, a MESMER, shouldn’t be one of them. I am sure he chose to run no condition removal in a shatter build, and that was why he hates fear.

Stun is far worse because it cannot be cleansed, only broken. Fear is the weakest of the control skills because of that. The damage from fear is nice, and it was something that it desperately needed to give condition builds burstyness.

It was just him. Mesmers “immunities” are largely useless again conditions, so they tend to lash out.

It’s funny since knockdowns, Blowout, Immobilize and others hard CC are more of a pain, you’re normally effected by them much longer than our short duration fear. They must hate it because of the Warrior and Thief’ fears, and think a necro made them run away while they were fighting those classes.

We’re the class with the less access to stability, I hate knockdown, yet I bring stunbreaks to make sure I’m not a ping pong ball on the field. Other classes must do the same against us, or just wait 1-2 second. Now if you go 1 on 1 and chain all your abilities + Corrupt Boon and he can’t break the combo, he deserved to be brought down (note: Downed, not dead), you wouldn’t be able to do this again before 2x 30+ sec cooldowns and a 90 sec cooldown wears off.

Coming from a mesmer, with lots of access to bursts on short cooldown, and lots of Invulnerability, Block and Stunbreak, it’s even more funnier.

HAHAHHAHAHHA a Mesmer complained about you being broken and messes with balance? Yeah, go ahead and ignore him. Fear is obviously strong because it is both a CC and a high damage condition, but it is far from a broken mechanic. Don’t worry about him.

Considering the amount of burning some other classes have at their disposal I wouldn’t worry about it.

I see what you all mean about the mesmer probably just being frustrated and biased toward his class, but i’d like to emphasize the fact that it wasnt just him that has commented negatively about fear. Also, though it might not be considered “broken” it might still be considered “cheap” considering its damage potential and availability. It leads me to wonder how people would react on a “How do you feel about Necro fearing” thread on the Spvp forum (maybe even WvW but i have little to no knowledge about it).

CactuShroom.2694:

So i’m a relatively new player who has recently gotten into PvP using Nemesis’ fear build (with some changes in the utilities). I’ve been liking it so far and im currently glory rank 19 using only my necro and pretty much the same build.

Though something bothers me, over the past month or so that i’ve been pvping, i’ve had tons of players commenting on how much they hate fear or just simply how annoying it is to deal with. Though most of these messages are just light-hearted comments or made for the sake of humor, it still bothers me that it seems like i’m relying on a mechanic that frustrates people. I can see what they mean, the fear/bleed chain is brutal when it connects, especially to classes that have limited stun breaks and rely on stability, which then can be corrupted into more fear.

Today i encountered a glory rank 40+ mesmer who said that the damage for fear is outright broken and that i was exploiting an imbalanced mechanic that messes with the balance of pvp. I reasoned to him that i have had many other good players beat the kitten out of me but he insists that i was just a bad player (which i am to some extent) using fear as a crutch.

Is there some grain of truth to what he, and a few others say? Is the fear build broken and imbalanced?

In the beginning… necromancer was seen as the worst class in the game. It was considered to have the lowest damage, no ability to tank or play support healer and be totally useless in PvP. I know… i was here too in the beginning.

In time people learned that the necromancer is not as bad as they originally thought… which means people that use to say “i am mesmer, i am best… you necro… therefor suck by default” can no longer say that. Taking away from people the ability to be better then… ultimately leads to dissatisfaction.

How many times did you hear people say “i am the best”, then they get crushed and say “… you, you cheat OP omfg hax”. It’s standard…

As good as this build is against a lot of builds and classes, it gets hard countered by scepter dagger bunker elementalist or healing BM ranger. It is just ridiculous how they don’t even need to do damage to them, and you still can’t bring them down… it’s that badly countered. More then that… bunker elementalist are far too good at the moment, it takes any class any build more then 40 seconds to kill a good bunker elementalist… and few seconds later he is back, it is just ridiculous…

Also the fact that we don’t have a viable power option at the moment in PvP…

One last thing… you said it yourself, it is brutal “when it connects”… much like a glass cannon thief that catches you without CDs and brings you into the ground just because you blinked.

PS: no wonder people start to find it difficult… after necromancers being regarded as the weakest class for so long, when they actually fight back… people are like… wait a minute, you were suppose to be a free kill… they don’t really understand what is going on…

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Remember this Bas ?

Agree with everyone else in here.Terror builds mess with the way people think necromancers should work, and make them be more careful about when and where to use their stunbreaks and cleanses. But the majority of people don’t want to think, and taking more stunbreaks or cleanses means they miss out on 5% extra damage on shatters, so they complain.

Like nemesis said, there are builds that beat the Terror build, too. It’s not a broken mechanic, some builds just counter others, that’s the nature of the game.

Nemesis.8593:

CactuShroom.2694:

So i’m a relatively new player who has recently gotten into PvP using Nemesis’ fear build (with some changes in the utilities). I’ve been liking it so far and im currently glory rank 19 using only my necro and pretty much the same build.

Though something bothers me, over the past month or so that i’ve been pvping, i’ve had tons of players commenting on how much they hate fear or just simply how annoying it is to deal with. Though most of these messages are just light-hearted comments or made for the sake of humor, it still bothers me that it seems like i’m relying on a mechanic that frustrates people. I can see what they mean, the fear/bleed chain is brutal when it connects, especially to classes that have limited stun breaks and rely on stability, which then can be corrupted into more fear.

Today i encountered a glory rank 40+ mesmer who said that the damage for fear is outright broken and that i was exploiting an imbalanced mechanic that messes with the balance of pvp. I reasoned to him that i have had many other good players beat the kitten out of me but he insists that i was just a bad player (which i am to some extent) using fear as a crutch.

Is there some grain of truth to what he, and a few others say? Is the fear build broken and imbalanced?

In the beginning… necromancer was seen as the worst class in the game. It was considered to have the lowest damage, no ability to tank or play support healer and be totally useless in PvP. I know… i was here too in the beginning.

In time people learned that the necromancer is not as bad as they originally thought… which means people that use to say “i am mesmer, i am best… you necro… therefor suck by default” can no longer say that. Taking away from people the ability to be better then… ultimately leads to dissatisfaction.

How many times did you hear people say “i am the best”, then they get crushed and say “… you, you cheat OP omfg hax”. It’s standard…

As good as this build is against a lot of builds and classes, it gets hard countered by scepter dagger bunker elementalist or healing BM ranger. It is just ridiculous how they don’t even need to do damage to them, and you still can’t bring them down… it’s that badly countered. More then that… bunker elementalist are far too good at the moment, it takes any class any build more then 40 seconds to kill a good bunker elementalist… and few seconds later he is back, it is just ridiculous…

Also the fact that we don’t have a viable power option at the moment in PvP…

One last thing… you said it yourself, it is brutal “when it connects”… much like a glass cannon thief that catches you without CDs and brings you into the ground just because you blinked.

PS: no wonder people start to find it difficult… after necromancers being regarded as the weakest class for so long, when they actually fight back… people are like… wait a minute, you were suppose to be a free kill… they don’t really understand what is going on…

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Remember this Bas ?

wrong

anet buff the necromancer since launch. Necro the only class in the game that keeps getting buffs with every patch.

Necro sucks at beta event. I tried it and there conditions were horrible to use

Nemesis.8593:

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I Terror’d a warrior down in sPvP a few months ago, after I saw your video on the build. He flipped his kitten. Whispered me telling me to kill myself, that I was scrubby while he was super skilled, how he was top 100 WoW arena and GW2 is a skill-less game, etc. It was really funny for a while, then the conversation turned toward his upbringing and home life and things got kinda sad. Whoever you were, angry warrior guy, I’ll never forget you. #neverforget

See, without the Terror build I never would have had this human connection! It mustn’t be changed!

As a respond, I can say that while with good BM it takes some time and luck to kill them with condi/terror build (all about keeping thier freaking pets slowed), I have almost no problems in 1v1 with S/D, D/D elementalists if I am ready with hp. It takes some practice, but the time they switch out of water, hope to do some damage and see their HP going down in secondsfrom CB they start to freak out and run completly mindless. Good ones won’t let you corrupt boon their stability out of water easily, but yes, with proper DS, kiting and healing you’re able to bore them, survive long enough to kill or even outlast them. Just keep the pressure and save your burst

Kardiamond.6952:

Fear suffer from both being a condition and a disable.

And that mesmer prolly didn’t have any condition removal equip to counter any of your conditions.

Pretty funny from a mesmer to call you cheap.

Nobody is calling fear imbalanced, frustrated people will call anything OP.

Seriously. a mesmer calling fear cheap. Complete fail. They have so many good stun breakers, all of which break fear. LOL.

CactuShroom.2694:

I see what you all mean about the mesmer probably just being frustrated and biased toward his class, but i’d like to emphasize the fact that it wasnt just him that has commented negatively about fear. Also, though it might not be considered “broken” it might still be considered “cheap” considering its damage potential and availability. It leads me to wonder how people would react on a “How do you feel about Necro fearing” thread on the Spvp forum (maybe even WvW but i have little to no knowledge about it).

It is the same for every build. Play a few tournaments with a 100b warrior and you’ll see something similar. It is an incredibly easy build to counter, yet because it takes skill and thought to counter, most people don’t. So you’ll watch this super glassy warrior charge into a team, instantly down 2 people, and then fly off to god-knows-where while his team cleans up and /m is full of QQing. It doesn’t mean they are far too strong in PvP, it just means it is a strong build.

Basically, take it this way, if people aren’t complaining about you or your build, then you aren’t playing well enough yet.

alemfi.5107:

Kardiamond.6952:

Fear suffer from both being a condition and a disable.

And that mesmer prolly didn’t have any condition removal equip to counter any of your conditions.

Pretty funny from a mesmer to call you cheap.

Nobody is calling fear imbalanced, frustrated people will call anything OP.

Seriously. a mesmer calling fear cheap. Complete fail. They have so many good stun breakers, all of which break fear. LOL.

exactly what I though reading the OP, this mesmer should be called out publicly and shamed mercilessly.

CactuShroom.2694:

So i’m a relatively new player who has recently gotten into PvP using Nemesis’ fear build (with some changes in the utilities). I’ve been liking it so far and im currently glory rank 19 using only my necro and pretty much the same build.

Though something bothers me, over the past month or so that i’ve been pvping, i’ve had tons of players commenting on how much they hate fear or just simply how annoying it is to deal with. Though most of these messages are just light-hearted comments or made for the sake of humor, it still bothers me that it seems like i’m relying on a mechanic that frustrates people. I can see what they mean, the fear/bleed chain is brutal when it connects, especially to classes that have limited stun breaks and rely on stability, which then can be corrupted into more fear.

Today i encountered a glory rank 40+ mesmer who said that the damage for fear is outright broken and that i was exploiting an imbalanced mechanic that messes with the balance of pvp. I reasoned to him that i have had many other good players beat the kitten out of me but he insists that i was just a bad player (which i am to some extent) using fear as a crutch.

Is there some grain of truth to what he, and a few others say? Is the fear build broken and imbalanced?

People say the same thing about backstabs and Wrath of the Gods in Dark Souls’ PvP. The reality is that they more often than not, people don’t know how, or come ill prepared to counter these types of tactics. That is not your fault.

They can create a character that uses the exact same tactics, and all classes come with some sort of stun-breaking abilities. It’s not your fault if your opponent shows up to a gun fight holding a baseball bat.

Don’t feel bad.

Nemesis.8593:

CactuShroom.2694:

So i’m a relatively new player who has recently gotten into PvP using Nemesis’ fear build (with some changes in the utilities). I’ve been liking it so far and im currently glory rank 19 using only my necro and pretty much the same build.

Though something bothers me, over the past month or so that i’ve been pvping, i’ve had tons of players commenting on how much they hate fear or just simply how annoying it is to deal with. Though most of these messages are just light-hearted comments or made for the sake of humor, it still bothers me that it seems like i’m relying on a mechanic that frustrates people. I can see what they mean, the fear/bleed chain is brutal when it connects, especially to classes that have limited stun breaks and rely on stability, which then can be corrupted into more fear.

Today i encountered a glory rank 40+ mesmer who said that the damage for fear is outright broken and that i was exploiting an imbalanced mechanic that messes with the balance of pvp. I reasoned to him that i have had many other good players beat the kitten out of me but he insists that i was just a bad player (which i am to some extent) using fear as a crutch.

Is there some grain of truth to what he, and a few others say? Is the fear build broken and imbalanced?

In the beginning… necromancer was seen as the worst class in the game. It was considered to have the lowest damage, no ability to tank or play support healer and be totally useless in PvP. I know… i was here too in the beginning.

In time people learned that the necromancer is not as bad as they originally thought… which means people that use to say “i am mesmer, i am best… you necro… therefor suck by default” can no longer say that. Taking away from people the ability to be better then… ultimately leads to dissatisfaction.

How many times did you hear people say “i am the best”, then they get crushed and say “… you, you cheat OP omfg hax”. It’s standard…

As good as this build is against a lot of builds and classes, it gets hard countered by scepter dagger bunker elementalist or healing BM ranger. It is just ridiculous how they don’t even need to do damage to them, and you still can’t bring them down… it’s that badly countered. More then that… bunker elementalist are far too good at the moment, it takes any class any build more then 40 seconds to kill a good bunker elementalist… and few seconds later he is back, it is just ridiculous…

Also the fact that we don’t have a viable power option at the moment in PvP…

One last thing… you said it yourself, it is brutal “when it connects”… much like a glass cannon thief that catches you without CDs and brings you into the ground just because you blinked.

PS: no wonder people start to find it difficult… after necromancers being regarded as the weakest class for so long, when they actually fight back… people are like… wait a minute, you were suppose to be a free kill… they don’t really understand what is going on…

[img]http://i.imgur.com/0gWi1T4.jpg[/img]

Remember this Bas ?

Where can I find the video for this build? I’m building a Necro now and I’m looking for ideas on builds.

people saying fear is op. People say stealth is op. if your mesmer friend doesn’t bring any stun breaks shame on him. fear isnt op in my opinion though it is very powerful, 1 stun break will render your fear useless and a minor disruption. its not a Learn to play issue, more of a make sure you’re prepared for as much as you can be ie. Bring a stun break or 2.

Bull Zooker.1672:

people saying fear is op. People say stealth is op. if your mesmer friend doesn’t bring any stun breaks shame on him. fear isnt op in my opinion though it is very powerful, 1 stun break will render your fear useless and a minor disruption. its not a Learn to play issue, more of a make sure you’re prepared for as much as you can be ie. Bring a stun break or 2.

How is it even possible for a mesmer to not bring any stun breaks in pvp these days? Lol.

fair point. I guess its their fault if they don’t use them at the best times. my mesmer carries 3 stun breaks, more than enough to negate fear dmg.

Kardiamond.6952:

Pretty funny from a mesmer to call you cheap.

It’s a rank 40+ Mesmer and you’re on a 19 Necro.

Frame this quote from him, and email it to anyone you know that is playing with him, and urge them to tell him to quit the game for his own good because being self-delusional is quite harmful.

It sure is cheap to land some 1-3k fears sometimes on 20-30 NPCs being spammed at you that each deal 1.5-3k damage without any input from the player. XD

The terror build is not even that strong, just a typical case of someone playing an overpower class used to facerolling winning upset he died.

You have to be a minor kitten to lose on a Mesmer, its that strong a class. Give it a serious try re-search the builds and play it you will be shocked of easy and strong it is.

Necromancers can have a maximum of 4 fears on an opponent. That translates to 4 seconds.

I can daze someone on my warhorn for 4 seconds when traited and it has a shorter cooldown. I know Mesmers that can do way more than that more effectively even.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Necromancers can have a maximum of 4 fears on an opponent. That translates to 4 seconds.

I can daze someone on my warhorn for 4 seconds when traited and it has a shorter cooldown. I know Mesmers that can do way more than that more effectively even.

6, and the shortest is going to be 1.7 seconds in a PvP terror build (means 2 ticks almost always). We can reach the 5 second fear max pretty easily.

It is literally impossible to get 6 fears on an opponent without help, bhawb >_>

Yes we can reach the 5 second max, but they’re on a hefty cooldown.

Reapers mark, Doom, Corrupt boon, Well of Corruption give 4 from utility/skills. Reaper’s Protection + Fear of Death is 2 more from traits, and then Fear in downed state. So my bad, 7 fears on your own.

You can’t apply them all to an opponent at once, Bhawb, that was my point. We can’t keep a never ending stream of fears like people seem to think.

4 fears per application, maximum.

The next time you encounter this Mesmer tell him where to shove that crutch he speaks of lol.

I sense a Superiority complex from this mesmer rank 40+ in relation to having his kitten handed to him by a rank 19 necro, obviously he forgets his own class has not a single but a set of crutches Confusion and clones.

Ignore him he is kitten that his great build didn’t have a counter for yours simple as that just live in the glory you wiped his kitten m8.

Bhawb.7408:

Reapers mark, Doom, Corrupt boon, Well of Corruption give 4 from utility/skills. Reaper’s Protection + Fear of Death is 2 more from traits, and then Fear in downed state. So my bad, 7 fears on your own.

ridiculous argument is ridiculous

we have 2 reliable on demand fears

the rest are situational and unreliable and as such not worth taking over other traits depending on the build.

oh btw you forgot mark of revival in your ridiculous argument…

Oh yeah, I knew I forgot one. 8 Fears.

Dredlord.8076:

Bhawb.7408:

Reapers mark, Doom, Corrupt boon, Well of Corruption give 4 from utility/skills. Reaper’s Protection + Fear of Death is 2 more from traits, and then Fear in downed state. So my bad, 7 fears on your own.

ridiculous argument is ridiculous

we have 2 reliable on demand fears

the rest are situational and unreliable and as such not worth taking over other traits depending on the build.

oh btw you forgot mark of revival in your ridiculous argument…

Situational and unreliable is an understatement. 2 of those fears happen when downed. 2 more are directly from converting stability into fear, and I really doubt you’ll ever do both to one person, especially since taking both of those utilities is redundant, and one is clearly more condition based and the other is more power based.

Reaper’s protection is on a 90 second cooldown and also doesn’t fear people at range.

You have 2 fears on demand, maybe a 3rd from utilities and maybe a 4th if someone CC’s you at melee range and you take that trait. The rest pretty much happen once you’ve already lost.

Sounds like that mesmer was just bad. I honestly expected fear to be more centerpiece in a necromancers build, and I find knockdown builds to be more annoying.