Guild Wars 2

Trying to decide on my elite skill, i am a Condition dmg Sylvari necro who mainly uses staff and stays above or just better positioning then my enemys. So summon Fleshreaver isn’t all that useful for me. neither is Plague, So what are your thoughts on Lich form? i mean he has long cds, short range, and his Jagged horrors are just abused.

If you are condition damage, Lich Form is not for you. It will do bad damage without a lot of Power. Flesh Golem is an option, but the bad AI will probably make him go to waste. Unless you are PvE’ing, in which case sometimes he can tank for you, and you can beat things you wouldn’t otherwise be able to do(2 veterans simultaneously).

Plague is for you. Plague is actually very useful, because you can chain blind and then the opponent misses every attack for 20 seconds. Or you can cripple to escape. Or you can just AoE bleed. It is a condition Elite, and as a condition necro, you have synergy here.

If you are condition damage, then Plague is what you are looking for. Generally Lich is best on power builds (though it’s still good on other builds) and Plague is best on condition builds. Of course, before you can unlock Lich you have to have 2 (I think) other elites. But yeah, I’d go Plague. Flesh Golem is good for builds that bring other minions, but not as useful if you have no minion traits. The racial elites aren’t very good IMO. Except for the druid spirit thing, but that has such a long cool down it’s not even worth bringing.

I run an all power/crit/crit dmg build and even I have a tough time picking Lich over Plague… all that AE blind is just win.

Yeah, Plague seems to be what you’re looking for.

If you don’t enjoy it though, there’s that. Try out Lich form just to see how you like it. I honestly thought I would hate it, but it ended up being a ton of fun to play around with for a while.

I’m a minion guy though, first and foremost, and do mostly PVE. So in the end, Flesh Golem was the winner for me. It all just depends on how you play and what you enjoy.

Woudn’t Plauge just put me in the front lines? kinda blow up if focused :P.
I guess i could do a Teleport combo. Flesh wurm behind me, plauge and teleport out after plague ends. Think that would work?

You never mentioned if this was for PvP or PvE, but I’m guessing that since you’re concerned about quickly getting out of the middle of combat, it’s probably the former.

I always found the flesh wurm sacrifice to be unreliable over extended periods of time. It wouldn’t be uncommon for your pet to die in the (up to) 30 seconds you’ll be in plague form.

I like your creativity though; it sounds like you’re on the right track. I think you’re also underestimating the power of an enlarged health pool + #2 spam in plague form. If you run out of combat before plague ends, or you manually turn it off, you should be in a better spot.

Plague form gives more than just an added heath pool, from what else i noticed it also almost doubles your total armor. If your spamming blind as well whose going to hit you to wack down through the added health and armor. Mind you, if you charge in against like 3-4 opposing players and have no other teammates with you then yes you will eventually be focused down, but the same goes for pretty much anyone trying to 1v3 1v4 skilled players.

I personally prefer Flesh Golem, I don’t like Lich Form nor Plague. While I realize both are powerful I don’t like the fact they change your weapon skill. They don’t give you something more but change something you already have, which means you have to change your tactics giving you no add value. Flesh Golem, for bugged as is, it’s more powerful in my opinion: it’s autoattack is great (ok, when he don’t drink a mojito while you die swarmed by foes) and his secondary ability is a great interrupt with a great damage.
I use plague underwater and that’s the skill which makes the necromancer dominate the dark tides, it’s incredibly powerful in Raid of the Capricorns: you can sweep away one or two enemies while 3 or more sharks are attacking you (and I’m not joking).

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I personally prefer Flesh Golem, I don’t like Lich Form nor Plague. While I realize both are powerful I don’t like the fact they change your weapon skill. They don’t give you something more but change something you already have, which means you have to change your tactics giving you no add value. Flesh Golem, for bugged as is, it’s more powerful in my opinion: it’s autoattack is great (ok, when he don’t drink a mojito while you die swarmed by foes) and his secondary ability is a great interrupt with a great damage.
I use plague underwater and that’s the skill which makes the necromancer dominate the dark tides, it’s incredibly powerful in Raid of the Capricorns: you can sweep away one or two enemies while 3 or more sharks are attacking you (and I’m not joking).

Yea necros are op underwater

Yes, necromancers are OP underwater. Plague is incredibly string underwater, I found no any other class who can compete against the plague form.
This is my experience, of course it’s my opinion.

Plague is an additional panic/reset button if need be.

My thoughts on lich form, awesome skill in PvE not so much on PvP. Easy avoidable hits and easy to get away from. The damage isn’t that great and casting times are too slow, one can only try to cast 2 and spam 1 and hope to kill the enemy. One can also try 3 and hope thekittenthing hits. Thieves and warriors have a lot of fun killing you in lich form. number 4 the minions are nice if it works with death nova, but it’s not nice if players can get up from down by killing them. It would also be nice if utility minions worked with lich from this way we could actually get a huge army of minions instead of killing our minions in the proccess. RIP boons is another slow casting skill that I don’t use much, usually my enemy doesn’t have any boons at the time :/

I don’t think it’s good enough for the long cooldown, and the huge target it makes you, people will burst you if in a group.

pop in and out for 20 seconds of stability

I have yet to understand why our condition elite is melee range while condition weapons are all range. Than we have our DD elite is ranged when our DD weapons are close range. Yes it means we have to switch it up. And yes if your low on health in melee range perhaps it would be a good idea to go range and recover but that does not work as your a large target and have no way of healing. So going into Lich form while at half health or lower is asking to be downed.