Guild Wars 2

Last few dats ive been discussing builds possibilitys alternative sigils gear etc and with the new server match up got up against reallt good players playing warrior ,eles, dh ,thiefs and chronos and it proved me right before some friends eyes and spectators necro camt kill these classes in power mode at all. Many tried this classes today as i asked them to(when my skill level was brought up) and some lasting a bit more on necro had the same end result. Only LUCK helps necros in these matchups. So back to my other toons wich have a chance against these classes.

So…………………you posted this why, then?

Because there s no other way to complain about the imbalance ingame. Submiting tickets to anet does nothing might aswell speak up and encourage others to keep doing so.

You have chance against other classes on necro you just have to play “perfect” skill level than you can kill “avarage” or "good " skill level players of other classes in 1v1. If you don’t like hard mode where you really have to play good and think a lot to try compensate for the class lack of mobility and not the best defensive skills than necromancer is not for you.

War,DH, Druid all good for the easiest to control easy mode or lazy players.

Rolisteel.1375:

You have chance against other classes on necro you just have to play “perfect” skill level than you can kill “avarage” or "good " skill level players of other classes in 1v1. If you don’t like hard mode where you really have to play good and think a lot to try compensate for the class lack of mobility and not the best defensive skills than necromancer is not for you.

War,DH, Druid all good for the easiest to control easy mode or lazy players.

Sorry but i dont agree with that as i had other necros try killing these same players today. A warrior needs only average knowledge to beat a necro silly for ex. Thief also just needs to burst shroud and health bar junpind in and out of the range of necro. Thief will never loose if he takes its time. Dh is easier to deal with average players but good dhs will still have the upperhand. The class relies too much on other people messing up and not pur own skill. Good players on other classes know this to be true.

Well, someone on this forum once said necromancer is for players that like underdogs.

In the meta of some seasons ago we was strong in damage and we was feared for that still if we had the same survavibility, but also there was a bunker meta and now we’ll be lesser feared than before.
Now no one fear to charge a necromancer head on just because is a free kill for almost all classes/builds and any skilled player can easy kill a necro.
It’s not a matter of who is better than who, the necromancer is simply weaker than all the other classes. Lesser damage and insanely lesser survavibility than all the other class of the game. Any good player know that and any good player charge head on the first necromancer he saw knowing that he will win at 95%.
Even in top tier ESL matches the necromancer was Always the first target and the first kill. No matter how better the player is, the only thing that save a necromancer is a t babysitting engineer that ress you all the times you go down.

Then, if we talk about low tiers, there still can be a way to kill unexperienced or lazy players that don’t take your treat seriously, but a necromancer can’t kill anyone that know what he’s doing. Not in this meta.

I still hope for a better future.

But but… you can kill enemy necros!

Rolisteel.1375:

But but… you can kill enemy necros!

True, if they are on equal lvl its a fun fight. Like watching 2 paralized people i wheelchairs going at it with sticks.

Mikhael.2391:

i had other necros try killing these same players today.

That tells me more about the skill level of those other necros than class balance.

Silv.9207:

any good player charge head on the first necromancer he saw knowing that he will win at 95%.
Even in top tier ESL matches the necromancer was Always the first target and the first kill. No matter how better the player is, the only thing that save a necromancer is a t babysitting engineer that ress you all the times you go down.

You are confusing two things here.

On the one hand we have Mikhael who is frustrated because he didn’t win some 1v1s.
On the other hand, you’re talking about the initial engagement in a pvp match, which the necro usually starts without life force.
Of course, from the opposing team’s perspective that’s an exploitable weakness. However, since this is likely to be a 3v3 or 4v4, if the necro actually dies you might as well blame the team mates for not peeling/healing/rezzing you properly.
In other words: from a PvP team fight perspective, the real balance question here is whether or not protecting one necro in the initial phase of a fight is too much of a burden for the defending team. A matter of how many resources need to be expended on each side for a status quo. And in my opinion giving necros a starting amount of life force would really help here. But that topic is about as old as the game itself, and it’s pretty irrelevant to 1v1s where you can choose with how much lf you want to start with.

Mikhael.2391:

Rolisteel.1375:

But but… you can kill enemy necros!

True, if they are on equal lvl its a fun fight. Like watching 2 paralized people i wheelchairs going at it with sticks.

You could actually argue that necro vs necro is the most difficult matchup for us because of how unpredictable condi transfers are, which makes these fights more a matter of luck than going up against any other class.

flow.6043:

Mikhael.2391:

i had other necros try killing these same players today.

That tells me more about the skill level of those other necros than class balance.

Silv.9207:

any good player charge head on the first necromancer he saw knowing that he will win at 95%.
Even in top tier ESL matches the necromancer was Always the first target and the first kill. No matter how better the player is, the only thing that save a necromancer is a t babysitting engineer that ress you all the times you go down.

You are confusing two things here.

On the one hand we have Mikhael who is frustrated because he didn’t win some 1v1s.
On the other hand, you’re talking about the initial engagement in a pvp match, which the necro usually starts without life force.
Of course, from the opposing team’s perspective that’s an exploitable weakness. However, since this is likely to be a 3v3 or 4v4, if the necro actually dies you might as well blame the team mates for not peeling/healing/rezzing you properly.
In other words: from a PvP team fight perspective, the real balance question here is whether or not protecting one necro in the initial phase of a fight is too much of a burden for the defending team. A matter of how many resources need to be expended on each side for a status quo. And in my opinion giving necros a starting amount of life force would really help here. But that topic is about as old as the game itself, and it’s pretty irrelevant to 1v1s where you can choose with how much lf you want to start with.

Mikhael.2391:

Rolisteel.1375:

But but… you can kill enemy necros!

True, if they are on equal lvl its a fun fight. Like watching 2 paralized people i wheelchairs going at it with sticks.

You could actually argue that necro vs necro is the most difficult matchup for us because of how unpredictable condi transfers are, which makes these fights more a matter of luck than going up against any other class.

I will never give another necro condies so he can sent back at me. I save my transfers for him when he gimme condis. Till then is just straight up damage. The 1vs1 were against the classes ive stated. Necros with higher lvl and probably more experience than me had pretry much same result. End of the day even if u play perfectly it is not balanced against them ever. And luck is a important part of being successfulagainst good players in other classes.

Mikhael.2391:

I will never give another necro condies so he can sent back at me. I save my transfers for him when he gimme condis. Till then is just straight up damage.

I won’t go into how it’s practically impossible to not apply conditions as a necro without severely limiting yourself.
But for the sake of the argument let’s say you actually do wait and only transfer until you have all the conditions.
So that means you are using your transfer first. You’ve used yours, the other necro still has his. Guess what happens next… right, the other necro sends all those condis back to you. Do you have another transfer? Alright, but so does your opponent.
Transfering or cleansing first comes at a high price in a necro mirrow matchup.
You could of course try to bring more transfers and cleanses than your opponent, but still, this game of hot potato comes down to luck much more than skill, especially when you factor in Plague Sending.

Anyway, the way you discribed how you would fight a necro is just another clear indication of how much you could still improve on your necro, rather than blaming the alleged op-ness of other classes for your losses.

flow.6043:

Mikhael.2391:

I will never give another necro condies so he can sent back at me. I save my transfers for him when he gimme condis. Till then is just straight up damage.

I won’t go into how it’s practically impossible to not apply conditions as a necro without severely limiting yourself.
But for the sake of the argument let’s say you actually do wait and only transfer until you have all the conditions.
So that means you are using your transfer first. You’ve used yours, the other necro still has his. Guess what happens next… right, the other necro sends all those condis back to you. Do you have another transfer? Alright, but so does your opponent.
Transfering or cleansing first comes at a high price in a necro mirrow matchup.
You could of course try to bring more transfers and cleanses than your opponent, but still, this game of hot potato comes down to luck much more than skill, especially when you factor in Plague Sending.

Anyway, the way you discribed how you would fight a necro is just another clear indication of how much you could still improve on your necro, rather than blaming the alleged op-ness of other classes for your losses.

Ok.

Mikhael.2391:

flow.6043:

Mikhael.2391:

I will never give another necro condies so he can sent back at me. I save my transfers for him when he gimme condis. Till then is just straight up damage.

I won’t go into how it’s practically impossible to not apply conditions as a necro without severely limiting yourself.
But for the sake of the argument let’s say you actually do wait and only transfer until you have all the conditions.
So that means you are using your transfer first. You’ve used yours, the other necro still has his. Guess what happens next… right, the other necro sends all those condis back to you. Do you have another transfer? Alright, but so does your opponent.
Transfering or cleansing first comes at a high price in a necro mirrow matchup.
You could of course try to bring more transfers and cleanses than your opponent, but still, this game of hot potato comes down to luck much more than skill, especially when you factor in Plague Sending.

Anyway, the way you discribed how you would fight a necro is just another clear indication of how much you could still improve on your necro, rather than blaming the alleged op-ness of other classes for your losses.

Ok.

He’s not wrong, you know.

Mikhael? you were with my guild in AG? MERC then MW?

Sandrox.9524:

Mikhael? you were with my guild in AG? MERC then MW?

Not me sorry. But im up for anyone showing me how to do it as a necro against these classes and prove me wrong that necros are actually good and on pair with them. I can get good players to duel on each class.

Game isn’t made for 1v1s, I don’t know where these silly people get this notion

Jskiirawr.2473:

Game isn’t made for 1v1s, I don’t know where these silly people get this notion

Oh please… really, this again?

It’s silly to assume that only because there’s a balance priority on 5v5 conquest would mean that there isn’t any 1v1 balance at all.
And mind you, I said balance “priority”, you could very well argue that team fight pvp mechanics are a lot more unbalanced than 1v1s.

Regardless, this thread is about dueling other classes. Obviously there’s a disagreement as to which class can or should beat the other. So you coming here and making some abstract comment on how you feel the game is supposed to be balanced adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Mikhael.2391:

But im up for anyone showing me how to do it as a necro against these classes and prove me wrong that necros are actually good and on pair with them. I can get good players to duel on each class.

I don’t know exactly when I’ll be online and have enough time, but generally speaking I’m always up for a little sparring session.

All 1v1s show is who has the most “saftey nets”/ what class is most outrageous in terms of sustain, but then again, that all goes back to the “safety nets” of a class. So please get the silly notion of 1v1s mean anything out your head, all it does is cause and illusion of thinking you/someone is good.

Also everything is unbalanced. But if they woullld actually do real balance, you think it would be around 1v1?

And again, you contribute nothing to this thread.
Please enlighten people somewhere else on what you think has or hasn’t meaning in this game.

flow.6043:

Jskiirawr.2473:

Game isn’t made for 1v1s, I don’t know where these silly people get this notion

Oh please… really, this again?

It’s silly to assume that only because there’s a balance priority on 5v5 conquest would mean that there isn’t any 1v1 balance at all.
And mind you, I said balance “priority”, you could very well argue that team fight pvp mechanics are a lot more unbalanced than 1v1s.

Regardless, this thread is about dueling other classes. Obviously there’s a disagreement as to which class can or should beat the other. So you coming here and making some abstract comment on how you feel the game is supposed to be balanced adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Mikhael.2391:

But im up for anyone showing me how to do it as a necro against these classes and prove me wrong that necros are actually good and on pair with them. I can get good players to duel on each class.

I don’t know exactly when I’ll be online and have enough time, but generally speaking I’m always up for a little sparring session.

Sure just add me and ill do the same. We ll do a few matches

A thread about 1v1s in Itself contributes nothing.

Jskiirawr.2473:

All 1v1s show is who has the most “saftey nets”/ what class is most outrageous in terms of sustain, but then again, that all goes back to the “safety nets” of a class. So please get the silly notion of 1v1s mean anything out your head, all it does is cause and illusion of thinking you/someone is good.

Also everything is unbalanced. But if they woullld actually do real balance, you think it would be around 1v1?

So pick your favorite sustain class, and go pick a fight with Sindrenerr or Lord Helseth, and we’ll see how that goes. Some video evidence would be nice as well. If you are being serious instead of just salty, back up your point with something to show instead of just flinging meaningless words around.

Yannir.4132:

Jskiirawr.2473:

All 1v1s show is who has the most “saftey nets”/ what class is most outrageous in terms of sustain, but then again, that all goes back to the “safety nets” of a class. So please get the silly notion of 1v1s mean anything out your head, all it does is cause and illusion of thinking you/someone is good.

Also everything is unbalanced. But if they woullld actually do real balance, you think it would be around 1v1?

So pick your favorite sustain class, and go pick a fight with Sindrenerr or Lord Helseth, and we’ll see how that goes. Some video evidence would be nice as well. If you are being serious instead of just salty, back up your point with something to show instead of just flinging meaningless words around.

Lol. “Go pick a fight” ok sure, my team vs any team they make, and I bet you anything they’ll lose. But to pick a fight for 1v1 is just silly cause 1v1s still hold no grrounds what so ever.

Here i thought that when the game came out one big point of interest was not having a specific roll like other mmos. They said no to “the holy trinity” and said all classes should be balanced and able to sustain itself and dps aswell right? Or did i get that wrong 4 years ago?

Ugh… alright let’s do this.

First you say this:

Jskiirawr.2473:

Game isn’t made for 1v1s

Wrong on so many levels.

People duel, that is a fact. They want to test their builds and skill against each other.

Dueling communities have existed since game release.
People have met on random pvp servers before custom arenas were implemented, and people have met in WvW in the south of alpine borderlands by the windmills a long time before the obsidian sanctum arena was added.
And last but not least, we now have guild hall arenas.

So any of the “1v1s aren’t officially supported” arguments that you are just now digging up again from 3 years ago are simply false.

Jskiirawr.2473:

A thread about 1v1s in Itself contributes nothing.

Since we have established that 1v1s are a thing that exists in this game – and I’m not talking about balance yet – why would you call people silly just for talking about it on the forum?
It’s a part of the game, people have discussions about it, deal with it.

Jskiirawr.2473:

All 1v1s show is who has the most “saftey nets”/ what class is most outrageous in terms of sustain, but then again, that all goes back to the “safety nets” of a class. So please get the silly notion of 1v1s mean anything out your head, all it does is cause and illusion of thinking you/someone is good.

Alright, so I didn’t want to respond to this earlier because I thought you’d just shup up and this would be the end of it…. but here it goes:
You apparently do not know anything about 1v1s.
Are we playing the same game?
Safety nets…? What the hell are you talking about?

Jskiirawr.2473:

Yannir.4132:

… go pick a fight with Sindrenerr or Lord Helseth, and we’ll see how that goes.

Lol. “Go pick a fight” ok sure, my team vs any team they make, and I bet you anything they’ll lose.

Interesting. So your team would win against TCG?

Jskiirawr.2473:

But to pick a fight for 1v1 is just silly cause 1v1s still hold no grrounds what so ever.

You do realize that 1v1s do occur in PvP matches, right? Not every fight is a 5v5… right?
I really have to ask this with emphasis, since you repeatedly demonstrate how unqualified you seem to be on the matter.

Speaking of TCG, a huge contribution to their last world champion title was Drazeh winning a ton of 1v1s on side points.

Jskiirawr.2473:

But if they woullld actually do real balance, you think it would be around 1v1?

Yes, that’s exactly what they are doing already.

Remeber what I said earlier? There’s a balance priority for team conquest.
That doesn’t mean that team and 1v1 balance is mutually eclusive.
It just means that conflicting areas of the two will (or should) be resolved in favour of team fights.
But to deny that there is 1v1 balance to some extent because of it is a logical fallacy.

And again, people in this game have all sorts of reasons to duel, for some of which balance doesn’t matter at all, like simply testing builds or training to improve.
So when you come in here and make a blank statement about the entire matter being pointless and silly, you’re just being arrogant and in no way helpful regarding the actual topic of the thread.

flow.6043:

Interesting. So your team would win against TCG?

Or Denial E-Sports as they are known now. But yeah, I highly doubt this guy and his team would win a 5v5 versus the currently reigning World Champions. Or even Car Crashed for that matter.

Yannir.4132:

flow.6043:

Interesting. So your team would win against TCG?

Or Denial E-Sports as they are known now. But yeah, I highly doubt this guy and his team would win a 5v5 versus the currently reigning World Champions. Or even Car Crashed for that matter.

Helseth could probably 1 v 5 his whole team.

Lol tell them to come way then. And we’ll see

Flow I feel bad for you

Jskiirawr.2473:

Flow I feel bad for you

Do you play necro?

Sure do and I don’t have much problems cause I’m with a team and we know how to work together, why do you ask

When i got into gw2 i knew necro had a history of being one of the weakest but right now we are the laughing stock of pvp forums, people jokingly asking for necros to be auto targetted so we can die faster or just save time and spawn dead. Not the best reading.

Pve is much the same, the occasional “1 necro is still good for couple fights” but rest just talk about why ever take a necro. We need a massive boost in damage to be justified a spot.

a question off this thread but still,what class is then good to be played these days.because i get to the video of brazil discussing the patch too late (after making necro,instead of war as my first char) saying with the coming patch will also nerf necro (again) the class will be maybe totally useless and pointless.

Warriors are regarded as a great starter profession, tanky and straight forward abilities. Don’t be put off by it being an easy to get into profession it is an excellent one which has many diverse builds and fun to play. So you could stick with your warrior

ultimately you can pick whatever you like the best theme wise and their viability depends more on what you want to do, mesmer thief and elementalist are regarded as a bit more complex to learn which could maybe overwhelm as you’re still trying to learn about the game.

well,i picked necro as it seems also a safe profession…2 healthbars,loads of minions,all the condi tricks (especially consuming em to get better heal,plague signet thingy…)

I’m pretty sure if necros were given something similar to Warriors endure pain, Engs elixir S, Rangers sigent of stone, Guardians elite, Eles obsidian skin, or mesmers invul would mostly likely see a surge like we did when Guardians were buffed. Outside of a immunity like ability Necros/Reapers are extremely powerful. I personally wouldn’t mind giving one to necros/reapers just to see what happens because it is undeniable atm that they’re targeted first and I feel its because of no immunity skill and poor mobility.

Lalainnia.3598:

I’m pretty sure if necros were given something similar to Warriors endure pain, Engs elixir S, Rangers sigent of stone, Guardians elite, Eles obsidian skin, or mesmers invul would mostly likely see a surge like we did when Guardians were buffed. Outside of a immunity like ability Necros/Reapers are extremely powerful. I personally wouldn’t mind giving one to necros/reapers just to see what happens because it is undeniable atm that they’re targeted first and I feel its because of no immunity skill and poor mobility.

If you look at the likes of a GS reaper in pvp giving them the mobility of a thief still would not make them a good build for pvp, other professions just have more at their disposal compared to us and in my oppinion less drawbacks.

When you can remove one of the biggest drawbacks to a profession, give it the complete opposite where it is the best in the game and still feel like the build is extremely weak in context of other professions its safe to say its weak.

Things like corruptionmancer and the likes are pretty ok in most departments and just need few tweaks here and there.

Stefan.6194:

well,i picked necro as it seems also a safe profession…2 healthbars,loads of minions,all the condi tricks (especially consuming em to get better heal,plague signet thingy…)

on paper we look fantastic, unfortunatey its that second health bar which prevents us from getting such much more need survivability abilities or traits compared to other professions

Stefan.6194:

well,i picked necro as it seems also a safe profession…2 healthbars,loads of minions,all the condi tricks (especially consuming em to get better heal,plague signet thingy…)

In common map and event PvE, the necromancer is really strong. In maguuma jungle there’s really few things you have to fear because with a solid build you can kill mobs that no other class can kill alone.
The problem come when you play with other players.

In PvP necro don’t have immunity and is forced to literally eat everything the enemy send you (a little joke with consume condition heal) and is unable to move away or stop the enemy damage (have only a really small access to blind and a corrosive poison cloud that block projectiles, but actually only 3 classes use projectiles ranged weapons and can swap to melee or channeling weapons to burst you down anyway).

In WvW the only place where the necro is good is in the zerg to eat the enemy souls killeed by others and then spam Death Shroud AA and wells, and in that way it’s really strong, maybe the only place when a necromancer can shine. In roaming isn’t good enough to survive to almost all the other classes he face.

In Raid, Fractal and hard Dungeons the necromancer isn’t that good. Useful for Epidemic, inflicting conditions AoE (bhe there must be another class to inflict huge condition damage to be effective), it’s DPS is the smaller of all, making the necro useless once more. It’s been requested for corrupt boons of some raid bosses but a revenant mallyx can do the same with much better damage, expecially from the recent Lich Form minions (huge) nerf.

Actually there’s not a really good reason to play a necromancer in almost all the game modes, unless for it’s “cool” factor (because the reaper is really really cool!).

Well I really don’t care what happens to Necro, it’s my main (ask anyone who knows me, in every MMO I play that has a Necro class that’s my choice by default) role and just because it’s not on-par in Modes I don’t really care for doesn’t mean I’m dropping it for the typical ‘better’ classes. I’d rather be around through the ups and downs of my class rather than give up and run off with the crowd. I used to play Assassins a lot but they’re to typical, just go for max dmg, crit and crit dmg and you’re set. They’re typically 1v1, highest burst dealing role in the game so usually they have a lot of evasion but the second they’re sneezed on they drop dead. Necro has the lifesteals, power, minion backup, I’ve just always loved the class lol so even if it gets literally destroyed and can’t even compete in PvE without a zerg to carry it, I’ll still be playing it (and only it).

At least I’m dedicated to my role XD

well i used to play several types of classes,mainly ones alike guardian,warror,revenant or elementalist but with no holly trinity in this game i rather wanted to start nice and easy. however wasnt thinking the class i picked wil be considered of the worst atm overall.

Silv.9207:

Stefan.6194:

well,i picked necro as it seems also a safe profession…2 healthbars,loads of minions,all the condi tricks (especially consuming em to get better heal,plague signet thingy…)

In common map and event PvE, the necromancer is really strong. In maguuma jungle there’s really few things you have to fear because with a solid build you can kill mobs that no other class can kill alone.
The problem come when you play with other players.

In PvP necro don’t have immunity and is forced to literally eat everything the enemy send you (a little joke with consume condition heal) and is unable to move away or stop the enemy damage (have only a really small access to blind and a corrosive poison cloud that block projectiles, but actually only 3 classes use projectiles ranged weapons and can swap to melee or channeling weapons to burst you down anyway).

In WvW the only place where the necro is good is in the zerg to eat the enemy souls killeed by others and then spam Death Shroud AA and wells, and in that way it’s really strong, maybe the only place when a necromancer can shine. In roaming isn’t good enough to survive to almost all the other classes he face.

In Raid, Fractal and hard Dungeons the necromancer isn’t that good. Useful for Epidemic, inflicting conditions AoE (bhe there must be another class to inflict huge condition damage to be effective), it’s DPS is the smaller of all, making the necro useless once more. It’s been requested for corrupt boons of some raid bosses but a revenant mallyx can do the same with much better damage, expecially from the recent Lich Form minions (huge) nerf.

Actually there’s not a really good reason to play a necromancer in almost all the game modes, unless for it’s “cool” factor (because the reaper is really really cool!).

darn,wish i knew this earlier.

Stefan.6194:

well i used to play several types of classes,mainly ones alike guardian,warror,revenant or elementalist but with no holly trinity in this game i rather wanted to start nice and easy. however wasnt thinking the class i picked wil be considered of the worst atm overall.

Depends on how you want to play, really. Every class can be classified as ‘worst’ if you only focus on their weaknesses and compare them to other classes. Necro may not have the DpS to burst down Group Event Bosses in seconds, but it does have long-term PvE sustain and can take some heavy hits if built right. If you want to be a pure Tank, Necro can do that with the Minion Mancer build, if you want to go Glass Cannon you can go full Power build. It’s fun being able to hold my own in a fight without having to worry about my teammates needing to rezz me, in fact I often times find myself healing more downed players than being healed myself. If you’re a PvPer, yeah Necro isn’t really a good 1v1 pick and you’ll be prime target the entire match. WvW, well that one’s up in the air. You could roam with a partner that’s got your back and have a blast, or you can huddle up with the zerg and play Condi from ranged. I’m a flat out PvE’er, so I only care about that Mode and we are still pretty strong/viable in that mode. Raids/Fractals, just get in a Guild that isn’t stingy about numbers or having things their way and you’ll be fine.

well,pvp…havent seen mmorpg with with good pvp aspects,apart of lord of the rings online,however there is pvp killed by lag…so i used to narrow down to the open world itself,also dungeons,raids etc.

Okami.7049:

Stefan.6194:

well i used to play several types of classes,mainly ones alike guardian,warror,revenant or elementalist but with no holly trinity in this game i rather wanted to start nice and easy. however wasnt thinking the class i picked wil be considered of the worst atm overall.

Depends on how you want to play, really. Every class can be classified as ‘worst’ if you only focus on their weaknesses and compare them to other classes. Necro may not have the DpS to burst down Group Event Bosses in seconds, but it does have long-term PvE sustain and can take some heavy hits if built right. If you want to be a pure Tank, Necro can do that with the Minion Mancer build, if you want to go Glass Cannon you can go full Power build. It’s fun being able to hold my own in a fight without having to worry about my teammates needing to rezz me, in fact I often times find myself healing more downed players than being healed myself. If you’re a PvPer, yeah Necro isn’t really a good 1v1 pick and you’ll be prime target the entire match. WvW, well that one’s up in the air. You could roam with a partner that’s got your back and have a blast, or you can huddle up with the zerg and play Condi from ranged. I’m a flat out PvE’er, so I only care about that Mode and we are still pretty strong/viable in that mode. Raids/Fractals, just get in a Guild that isn’t stingy about numbers or having things their way and you’ll be fine.

You only worry about pve thats clear. So the other game modes necro needs a babysitter and that is the problem. Eventually in spvp or wvw it comes a time necro needs to sustain itself or an escape button and does not have one. If no one is online to play with me or i just feel like roaming in wvw alone i need to be very lucky in finding just one enemy to fight and then have that enemy be close to average/bad depending on wich class it plays. So stop saying necro is good because till they fix this issue it isnt, its fun SOMETIMES but when the time comes to shine and be smart in your gameplay necro just doesnt have the defensive/evasive mechanics to do so and its not the players fault.

ok so which classes are of those which are ok in every type of the game? (pve,pvp,wvw,raids,dungeons etc etc)

Mikhael.2391:

Okami.7049:

Stefan.6194:

well i used to play several types of classes,mainly ones alike guardian,warror,revenant or elementalist but with no holly trinity in this game i rather wanted to start nice and easy. however wasnt thinking the class i picked wil be considered of the worst atm overall.

Depends on how you want to play, really. Every class can be classified as ‘worst’ if you only focus on their weaknesses and compare them to other classes. Necro may not have the DpS to burst down Group Event Bosses in seconds, but it does have long-term PvE sustain and can take some heavy hits if built right. If you want to be a pure Tank, Necro can do that with the Minion Mancer build, if you want to go Glass Cannon you can go full Power build. It’s fun being able to hold my own in a fight without having to worry about my teammates needing to rezz me, in fact I often times find myself healing more downed players than being healed myself. If you’re a PvPer, yeah Necro isn’t really a good 1v1 pick and you’ll be prime target the entire match. WvW, well that one’s up in the air. You could roam with a partner that’s got your back and have a blast, or you can huddle up with the zerg and play Condi from ranged. I’m a flat out PvE’er, so I only care about that Mode and we are still pretty strong/viable in that mode. Raids/Fractals, just get in a Guild that isn’t stingy about numbers or having things their way and you’ll be fine.

You only worry about pve thats clear. So the other game modes necro needs a babysitter and that is the problem. Eventually in spvp or wvw it comes a time necro needs to sustain itself or an escape button and does not have one. If no one is online to play with me or i just feel like roaming in wvw alone i need to be very lucky in finding just one enemy to fight and then have that enemy be close to average/bad depending on wich class it plays. So stop saying necro is good because till they fix this issue it isnt, its fun SOMETIMES but when the time comes to shine and be smart in your gameplay necro just doesnt have the defensive/evasive mechanics to do so and its not the players fault.

Last time I checked, everyone has their opinions. I’ll say it’s good until the game itself shuts down, because that’s my opinion and you will never change that. If anything, you need to stop looking for a fight. It’s sad how, when Necro does get buffed enough to the point where it’s popular with the masses again, I’m at least dedicated to my role and want to learn every little bit about it, push ever little corner of its limits that I can, while you run off whining and crying because you can’t one-shot people. Right now, like some people have already said before me, if anything Necro actually has a skill-cap (low floor high ceiling). It’s stupid how everyone just takes the Necro and wants to sit there and go full glass cannon when they forget what the core concept of Necromancy is. You can leave the role for others all you want, like I said in my first comment there’s no point in making a stink over literally nothing. So you’re switching classes, good for you; there’s no need to make a spectacle of the matter though.

As far as you claim about having terrible defensive/evasive mechanics, I can actually counter argue with you there for a bit. Death Magic IS STILL VIABLE, everyone just ran it for the Minions for the most part without actually taking the time to realize how useful the other Traits actually are. As far as evasiveness is concerned, Necros can actually take some heavy hits unlike Thiefs, hence why they have 3 Endurance Bars and a crap ton of kite. I’ve already made a post of mine about Death Magic a few hours ago and posted the build I’ve been using, so I won’t turn this into a subject it’s not. Lets just say there are still viable options for Necro, no one wants to run them because they’re too used to following the meta as if it’s the official rule-book or something. This is a game, in the end, and everyone has a right to have fun however they see fit, so go actually have fun and quit being a negative nancy. I’ll stick with my Necro, enjoy every minute of it, and actually learn how to master the class.

not saying your dedication to necro is bad,no,i simply wanted to find the class towards which i will be as dedicated.

Stefan.6194:

not saying your dedication to necro is bad,no,i simply wanted to find the class towards which i will be as dedicated.

I wasn’t saying to stick with Necro, I was just speaking from my POV. What’s your playstyle? Are you a naturally defensive/tanky type of player or do you like being aggressive and landing those big numbers while being extremely squishy? Do you like taking on multiple enemies at once or do you prefer 1v1 encounters? Do you like being the Healer? Etc, etc.

i myself have mainly used to play classes which in holy trinity thing these were clasiffied as supporters,most enjoyed classes were from lotro-captain and warden,like with some nice damage,nice survival (nor of these were greatest) and some supportive skills.captain especially earned the nickname jack-of-all-tardes,while warden earned his one-man army.