Training of the Master doesnt affect Siphons

Training of the Master doesnt affect Siphons

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Posted by: ronpierce.2760

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I’m not sure if this is a bug or intended, hence posting it here, but I feel like it probably should. The Training of the master trait doesn’t seem to affect minion siphon damage even though the minions are the ones doing the damage, insights on intended mechanics?

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Posted by: Bhawb.7408

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I essentially think of it as a hidden buff that they proc, instead of something they simply do on their own, in a sense. Training of the master only applies to damage the minions directly cause with their auto attack or activation skills. Vampiric Master, however, can be thought of as a hidden auto attack buff, something they proc with auto attacks, like spirit buffs. These are secondary effects that the minion’s auto attacks carry, but are not innate to the auto attacks themselves.

However, training of the master does not apply to outside buffs. If bone fiend shoots through a dark field, for example, the field applies a one hit AA buff that causes an effect. That effect isn’t affected by training of the master, as it isn’t actually damage dealt by the minions themselves, but an effect that is proc’d by those auto attacks. Spirits, buff fields, etc. all work in this way. TotM only applies to damage dealt directly by the minions themselves, not extra effects the minions are “carriers” of.

In this way, TotM doesn’t apply, although its a bit weird obviously. Anyway that is simply my opinion and an explanation. I don’t think it necessarily should count either, btw, neither of these traits are weak by any means.

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Posted by: Nay of the Ether.8913

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It’s kind of like what Bhawb said, siphon damage is a separate packet of damage from the main minion damage. Training of the Master only affects base minion damage (possibly skill activation damage too, not 100% sure on that). The siphons, being separate damage packets, are set up that way so that the siphon traits can affect them (ie bloodlust). When a damage packet procs, the game engine reads each packet and determines what modifiers should be applied. It’s working as intended, even though it would be pretty awesome (and pretty op) for TotM to affect siphons too.

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Posted by: Bhawb.7408

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It works any time they deal direct damage, through auto attacks or skill activation. Meaning Flesh Wurm (who doesn’t deal any direct damage on his active) and Blood Fiend don’t siphon through their activations.

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Posted by: ronpierce.2760

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I’m not complaining, but I could see it go either way, tbh. I was just curious.

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Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)