Guild Wars 2

I just logged into WVW and had a Pin screaming at all necros to stop running blood magic because he claims that vampiric aura was horrible in that its siphon was proccing retaliation for a net loss in hit points. Can some number cruncher test this?

that’d be hilarious if necro was even more hated in groups now. I wonder if you can blackmail people with it

Well if it does proc retal then it would be a net loss no number crunching required. The question is if it really does proc an extra tick of retal.

If this is true then your enemies will make sure you are the last to die on the battlefield.. heh.

I didnt think it siphons counted as a normal “hit” (ie something that can proc on hit effects like retal). If it did, a siphoning wellomancer would instantly kill himself on anyone with retal up and tbh, I never noticed that.

Someone can surely test it out though.

I’ve been running a minions + siphons build and haven’t see anything like this. If it’s true and I just haven’t noticed (entirely possible) then we’ll need someone to look into testing it.

I just tested this extensively vs. vet karka which have 30 seconds of Retaliation or Regeneration every 25% health lossed.

When Retaliation first popped on my first Veteran Karka, I dropped Vampiric Ritual buffed Well of Power and Well of Suffering (Late edit: Meant Well of Darkness) after evades. Note they only do siphon damage. Result? No retaliation damage at all.

Then I tested auto attacks. Result? Only one tick of Retaliation per hit with Staff or Scepter.

On another Veteran Karka I tested Well of Suffering. Result? 1 Retaliation proc per hit.

Conclusion: The WvW Commander better stop asking Necros to not take Vampiric Presence because he’s wrong.

Edit: Now it’s one thing to test this as a Necro, maybe the allied version of vampiric presence procs retal. I doubt it though, since they act like siphons in every other way as far as I know (not damaging doors in wvw etc.)

Edit 2: Just tested with a friendly toon in Southsun. They did not get more than 1 tick of retaliation per hit w/ Vampiric Presence active.

Yeah, just went through my log, retaliation wasn’t doing damage from it.

Awesome. Just as expected. ;>

He better advise that only competent Necros with good positioning should be using Transfusion.

Today I escaped a zerg in dowstate because of some random Gaurd’s Banish. While being revived, I got pulled into the zerg stampede with Transfusion.

Transfusion is okay, but you have to know how to use it.

Rym.1469:

He better advise that only competent Necros with good positioning should be using Transfusion.

Today I escaped a zerg in dowstate because of some random Gaurd’s Banish. While being revived, I got pulled into the zerg stampede with Transfusion.

Transfusion is okay, but you have to know how to use it.

Don’t tell me how to use Transfusion!!!

aarrg!

Balekai getting ganked by zerg, panic uses transfusion and teleports all his allies that were being ressed on top of him for the slaughter

Balekai.6083:

Rym.1469:

He better advise that only competent Necros with good positioning should be using Transfusion.

Today I escaped a zerg in dowstate because of some random Gaurd’s Banish. While being revived, I got pulled into the zerg stampede with Transfusion.

Transfusion is okay, but you have to know how to use it.

Don’t tell me how to use Transfusion!!!

aarrg!

Balekai getting ganked by zerg, panic uses transfusion and teleports all his allies that were being ressed on top of him for the slaughter

Using downed bodies as human shields. That’s smart, I don’t see the problem.

I figured as much from my logs but I wanted confirmation from you guys as well.

I was there when the commander was raging. There were fighting against blob. I think, what he means is, if siphoning is proccing retaliation, you will hurt your allies who have a power build. They have a higher damage output then a necro and get more damage back in return.

Menaki.6329:

I was there when the commander was raging. There were fighting against blob. I think, what he means is, if siphoning is proccing retaliation, you will hurt your allies who have a power build. They have a higher damage output then a necro and get more damage back in return.

He was probably just trying to play it safe. However, Necro siphons have never multi-procced Retaliation. It was possible that Vampiric Presence was bugged, but the combat logs and other tests show that it’s working properly. I guess that commander will find out eventually.

He should probably do that soon though. For well bombing Necro builds in zergs, Vampiric Rituals + Vampiric + Vampiric Presence is easily 200+ siphon per target hit with a well. Which translates into 5000+ unblockable extra damage per well overall. 2500-5000 healing per well for the Necro too. That’s not counting non-necros buffed by VP pulling off nice siphons with their own AoEs and burst skills. A fair amount of potential for so little investment to give up for fear of something that isn’t happening.