Hey,
after spending a lot of time in the last days on working on a build that allows us necromancers to 1vsX, I decided to release a video with some examples on my successes with it.
Like many said, solo roaming as a necromancer isn´t as easy as with other classes, but it still isn´t undoable.
I know I make some mistakes in this video, I´m working on it, and I know I´m a noob because I don´t use fast ground-targeting
I would apreciate feedback
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Thanks
I use both 0/0/10/30/30 or 0/0/20/20/30 in the video, still didn´t settle on one. As equip I use berserker, with the rings as a exception, they are knight, and I´ll probably replace accessoires with cavalier (power, toughness, crit dmg), I´ll probably write a guide as soon as I´m satisfied with my build.
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Cool video and nice skills man
Tho I’m not convinced for the 1 vs X fights. As you said It’s a lot harder with a necro.
And your opponent are, in my opinion, below average. Most of them are staff Elem (What the?? Staff Elem roaming? :P) that miss all their attack and stay in Fire attunementall fight. Others are ether running away, or auto attacking (The warrior?). Only the engineer could defend himself a bit.
You also lack any kind of escape mecanism, and in my tier it’s impossible to roam without ether Spectral Walik or Flesh Worm. You’ll get zerged to death all night long. Tho you use it in the last fight, and it’s pretty good.
About Fast cast, if you can’t dont use it, it all good. But like OP, I also use it. And I have no issue landing Mark? Can you really miss marks? Those are so easy to land. I used fast cast with my grenade engineer, so using it for necro mark don’t make me miss anything.
And yes, fast cast is a tiny bit faster. Especially on the first mark you cast. Tho it’s not game changer. But you get used to always position your cursor, I feel more efficient with it. Trust me, I used to hate it, but once you played a lot with it, you can’t play without it anymore.
Nice Video man! But I’m still not convinced we found a build to 1 vs X. I feel like any burst, like a DD thief, could have taken you out. Especially in a 1vs2 where you can’t keep both CC’d.
P.S : What’s your 2nd utility slot? I don’t reconize the icon?
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Buggy forum lost my post, Will do a short version
Cool video and nice skills man
Tho I’m not convinced for the 1 vs X fights. As you said It’s a lot harder with a necro.
And your opponent are, in my opinion, below average. Most of them are staff Elem (What the?? Staff Elem roaming? :P) that miss all their attack and stay in Fire attunementall fight. Others are ether running away, or auto attacking (The warrior?). Only the engineer could defend himself a bit.
You also lack any kind of escape mecanism, and in my tier it’s impossible to roam without ether Spectral Walik or Flesh Worm. You’ll get zerged to death all night long. Tho you use it in the last fight, and it’s pretty good.
About Fast cast, if you can’t dont use it, it all good. But like OP, I also use it. And I have no issue landing Mark? Can you really miss marks? Those are so easy to land. I used fast cast with my grenade engineer, so using it for necro mark don’t make me miss anything.
And yes, fast cast is a tiny bit faster. Especially on the first mark you cast. Tho it’s not game changer. But you get used to always position your cursor, I feel more efficient with it. Trust me, I used to hate it, but once you played a lot with it, you can’t play without it anymore.
Nice Video man! But I’m still not convinced we found a build to 1 vs X. I feel like any burst, like a DD thief, could have taken you out. Especially in a 1vs2 where you can’t keep both CC’d.
P.S : What’s your 2nd utility slot? I don’t reconize the icon?
The videos were I didn´t use flesh worm were made earlier, I went over to using it all the time. And I know, many enemys are bad, but otherwise you can´t do 1vsX at all, with any class, even with a thief, because even if your build is the perfect counter to the enemys build, a actually good player will still be able to make yourself work for these badges.
And I don´t like fast-cast because it makes it harder, at least in WvW, to estimate distances, like when you´re chasing someone you wanna make sure you don´t miss with that chill mark, thought in s/tPvP it´s a different story because you won´t have that problem that much that you have deal with the maximum range.
(DD) Thiefs itself aren´t a problem at all, at least in 1vs1 I´m able to handle the average ones without problems, you just have to pressure him constantly, lure out his stunbreaks and make good use of his weapon swap cd to make sure he can´t port away when you stun him and move in to finish. A stun, used just before stealth + dagger autohit, ds 4 and marks aswell can damage him in stealth.
On Tuesday I encountered a footman one (wvw rank 50-59 that freak ) a few times that had both bufffood buffs on, one time he jumped me while fighting a lvl80 and an upleveld invader, when I was on low health and I died pretty fast, but one on one he wasn´t able to kill me, even thought he tried it like 4 times, I got a pretty good record from one of these fights, but didn´t want to add them to the 1vsX video because it was 1vs1.
You have to remember that with my trait setup, knight rings, cavalier accessoires and maybe a knight staff that you use as soon as you get you´re 25 sigill stacks with the other one, you have like 2,5k armor, it isn´t easy with that, but it´s definitely doable if you have some knowledge of thiefs skills. Most thiefs dont have that many stun breaks and only rely on stealth, and all that you need is 2 stuns, he can break the first one, but the second one will be his death. I use dagger 3 usually first, as soon as he breaks that silvari racial + WoS and he´s dead. If you aren´t a silvary, you can use the ranged minion instead of the racial, it has also a stun on his activate skill and you get some life leeching of his auto-attack.
Until you tried it you don´t believe how defensively you can play with that build, with sigill of blood, omnomberry ghost bufffood, rune of vampire and the other lifelleching skills you can survive an eternity by staying on max range with your stuff and hitting multiple targets with the marks, I died some duelling with another really good necro that I encountered as an enemy in WvW and while doing some duells it was shown that I was actually better at soaking up damage with my berserker gear than he was with his knights gear, after that he decided to go back to berserker gear btw.
I´ll try thought to get some 1vsX footage against thiefs, so that I can probably do a second video and put them in, it should be doable if you have some idea of what other classes are doing.
Edit: Another tip I wanted to add: You can make thiefs use their weapon swaps when you act like you attempt to run, cast the locus swarm, turn around and run, they´ll most likely try to chase you with using their shortbow, as soon as he´s swapping back to his daggers he´s a dead man.
Edit 2: Oh yeah, and you can use the daze on warhorn 4 for stopping him from stealthing
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And your opponent are, in my opinion, below average.
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Nice Video man! But I’m still not convinced we found a build to 1 vs X. I feel like any burst, like a DD thief, could have taken you out. Especially in a 1vs2 where you can’t keep both CC’d.Well, at least his opponents were all lvl80 as far as I can remember…
Also, there simply is no class or build that can beat 2 or more players who are equally skilled and geared.
And yes, fast cast is a tiny bit faster. Especially on the first mark you cast. Tho it’s not game changer. But you get used to always position your cursor, I feel more efficient with it. Trust me, I used to hate it, but once you played a lot with it, you can’t play without it anymore.
I tried fast casting and it was simply not working for me. Also it just isn’t faster. :/
Not the one in the camps, they were upleveled.
But I won’t focus on this. Most 1 vs X, for any class, you’ll have some underleveled people and some bad people.
You can’t win 1 vs X again skilled people, except maybe with some mesmer build or Elem DD build.Maybe even an HGH engi.
But I felt like his opponent (not OP fault) were really bad. Just the first fight, the staff Elem were really awful. And the fight at camp was also full of blind auto attack and no heal.
I wish one day too see necromancer win 1 vs x with better then average players. Some classes can do it, I wish necromancer could, becuase necro are pretty cool.
@OP
I thought you were full berserk, and I ran a blood build similar to your with full berserk, and I just felt like I was going down too fast.
Can’t reply now, will post later!
Flesh Worm is ownage
Gotta use all the ways for lifeleeching there are, like using sigill of blood, omnomberry ghost and rune of vampire, the blood trait line alone isn´t enough.
I have the whole thing.
tho I something use regen food over omn ghost, both have a fairly similar regen.
I gotta admit, the one thing necromancer have them in 1 vs X, is our Elite.
If the ennemy isn’t too bursty, Lich is ownage. You can 3-4 shot some people, the #4 summon is awesome and the #3 is a nice knockback. I saw you used lich #2 into your video, do you always use it? I’m personally not sure the 8 vuln + AoE is worth it over the auto attack who it like a truck and has lower cast time.