Guild Wars 2

Hello all,

This is a video of condi Necro in sPvP. I’ve met several people who said it doesn’t work, which I found surprising because it actually got a buff since before “the big patch”. But I found it’s actually pretty good in sPvP. I think I’m pretty decent in sPvP but I’m still not an expert because I have a lot of WvW habits and am still not used to fighting on-point because WvW encourages a kite-and-fight-type playstyle. After re-watching a lot of my clips I realize I have quite a few bad habits like cancelling my own skills and wasting dodges, but all in all, even with a few bad habits, I feel like condi Necro can be really deadly and is underestimated.

I use Spite/Curses/Soul Reaping. Spite is generally good because it gives you lots of cover condis (like vuln and Spiteful Spirit, which cripples and corrupts a boon, which can be anything from a fear to confusion, to 3 bleeds if it corrupts Vigor). This really comes in handy when fighting cleanse-heavy classes like ele and shout warr or shout guard. As far as I’m aware, cleanse is random now, so if you stack lots of bleeds but lots of vuln, cripple, weakness, poison, their condi clears have a higher chance of removing irrelevant condis, like cripple, instead of your bleeds. I often take Path of Corruption instead of Terror as well. Fear duration is pretty minimal on Necro right now and while it does nice damage (good vs. thieves and mesmers), Path of Corruption is really good vs. boon heavy classes and cleanse-heavy classes. This might become even stronger with the new patch they’re making (buffing scepter, where terror may not even be necessary).

Anyway, hope you enjoy If you have any suggestions on the playstyle/rotations, or any comments at all, feel free to comment.

Really good fights! Nice to see someone use spiteful spirit, i take it too for pvp as condi:)
It bothers me alot that terror and path of corruption are on the same level, and the fear duration trait isnt merged with terror…
Regarding the last fight, really good played, i don’t know why people say warrior is soft counter to necro, they can be kited fairly easily.

Before even watching i knew you’d have a warhorn with Spectral Walk and Wurm haha.

Always good to watch.

That moment you interrupt the engi leap with warhorn daze:

I think this is the perfect thread to discuss condi-necro’s viability considering its getting a straight upgrade tomorrow (and reaper is arguably and upgrade as well, one that relies even less on terror damage).

I am eager to try out a revamped condi necro build using the new scepter 3 trait, since its honestly fantastic sounding. I am also willing to try out the new lingering curses trait, but I’m wondering if weakness spam would be better to help survive, and the fact that lingering curses hardly helps us deal with cleansing.

I really like the idea of spiteful spirit on a condi build, although with reaper you’ll have to drop spite for reaper so you could keep dhuumfire, but lower CD AoE PoC makes this a non-issue imo. Alternatively you could run MoC to get lower CD corrupt boons and a lower CD heal, but I don’t know if that would really be worth it for the harsh self-cost.

I honestly prefer carrion amulet, since some of our skills scale pretty well with power, and the extra vitality gives us more of a buffer against other conditions. To add to that, the passive bleed proc in curses is absurdly weak. Weakening shroud’s proc can be made up by way of intelligence sigil on the staff or just from fury in DS.

Anyway, I’m thrilled to try it tomorrow! And I definitely think we can make it work without terror.

Pelopidas.2140:

Really good fights! Nice to see someone use spiteful spirit, i take it too for pvp as condi:)
It bothers me alot that terror and path of corruption are on the same level, and the fear duration trait isnt merged with terror…
Regarding the last fight, really good played, i don’t know why people say warrior is soft counter to necro, they can be kited fairly easily.

Ty sir!
Yeah Spiteful Spirit is pretty underrated in my opinion. It provides nice cripple (as a cover condi), a boon corrupt and retal is actually kinda nice too.
I agree that the choice between Path of Corruption and Terror is not really… ideal. I feel like the damage from Terror really isn’t all that great on condi Necro right now, and Master of Terror isn’t worth taking imo (Vital Persistence is so much better). I also think that Spiteful Spirit works well with Path of Corruption too cuz that’s 3 boons corrupted almost every time you go into DS, which is pretty nice :P
I didn’t know people thought Warrior was a soft counter to Necro.. probably because of Berserk Stance but that’s really easy to out-kite haha. The only kind of warrior that poses a problem is a shout warrior though…

Before even watching i knew you’d have a warhorn with Spectral Walk and Wurm haha.

Always good to watch.

Haha always ! :P Those are my babies..

That moment you interrupt the engi leap with warhorn daze:

Haha <3

I am eager to try out a revamped condi necro build using the new scepter 3 trait, since its honestly fantastic sounding. I am also willing to try out the new lingering curses trait, but I’m wondering if weakness spam would be better to help survive, and the fact that lingering curses hardly helps us deal with cleansing.

Yeah even with the new scepter #3, I’m really not sure if Lingering Curse would be better than Weakening Shroud. Longer condis are strong, but Weakening Shroud gives really nice weakness and also a bleed so…
Although Krait Runes + Lingering Curse might be interesting…

nearlight.3064:

I really like the idea of spiteful spirit on a condi build, although with reaper you’ll have to drop spite for reaper so you could keep dhuumfire, but lower CD AoE PoC makes this a non-issue imo. Alternatively you could run MoC to get lower CD corrupt boons and a lower CD heal, but I don’t know if that would really be worth it for the harsh self-cost.

Yeah I played Reaper a lil bit in the beta and went with Curses/SR/Reaper. I think Spite synergises REALLY well with Reaper but Curses does as well and just works better for a Condi build. I’d probably drop Soul Reaping but it’s just too good for life force
I’m also wondering how they’ll make Reaper Shroud #2 because last time I used Path of Corruption it was pretty easy to dodge (the Necro just spun around and the boon corrupt was kinda delayed – hopefully they fix that and make it corrupt as soon as you hit someone).

nearlight.3064:

I honestly prefer carrion amulet, since some of our skills scale pretty well with power, and the extra vitality gives us more of a buffer against other conditions. To add to that, the passive bleed proc in curses is absurdly weak. Weakening shroud’s proc can be made up by way of intelligence sigil on the staff or just from fury in DS.

The only issue I have with high-vitality amulets is that sure, you have lots of health but once that health runs out… you’ll keep taking lots of damage and won’t really be able to heal up. With high toughness, you will always take less damage from attacks, no matter how low your hp is. I think both work… but with Krait Runes the on-crit bleeds can be decent.

nearlight.3064:

Anyway, I’m thrilled to try it tomorrow! And I definitely think we can make it work without terror.

Haha same I can’t wait to see how it will turn out… I’m super stoked because Scepter #3 is naturally in my rotation to generate lifeforce and most of the time people have 5+ condis when I use it… which means really easy 7 torment. In some of the clips I re-watched, I use Feast of Corruption when the enemy is pretty low… this would seal their fate >: ) the extra torment + Path of Corruption might be quite strong… tomorrow…. we shall see… tun tun tunnnnnn

I’m doing some cross comparison end of March damage screen data collection between the two amulets so I’ll report what I find at some point and how much better it is after tomorrow.

How much damage do you usually do per match? From what I’ve found using carrion so far, power does a significant proportion of damage throughout a match. One kinda bad match I did 20k more power dps than condi dps even.

nearlight.3064:

I’m doing some cross comparison end of March damage screen data collection between the two amulets so I’ll report what I find at some point and how much better it is after tomorrow.

How much damage do you usually do per match? From what I’ve found using carrion so far, power does a significant proportion of damage throughout a match. One kinda bad match I did 20k more power dps than condi dps even.

It will be interesting to see. Is there a way to see how much total damage you take as well?

Wow… hmm… I don’t usually look at my stats in a match. I will try to look it over when I get to play next (hopefully today when I finally get home -_- … so stoked… )

MethaneGas.8357:

nearlight.3064:

I’m doing some cross comparison end of March damage screen data collection between the two amulets so I’ll report what I find at some point and how much better it is after tomorrow.

How much damage do you usually do per match? From what I’ve found using carrion so far, power does a significant proportion of damage throughout a match. One kinda bad match I did 20k more power dps than condi dps even.

It will be interesting to see. Is there a way to see how much total damage you take as well?

Wow… hmm… I don’t usually look at my stats in a match. I will try to look it over when I get to play next (hopefully today when I finally get home -_- … so stoked… )

Yeah the stats list EVERYTHING, even how many boons your remove and apply, and how much healing you do…

On condi necro I would generally get around 125K Physical DPG and 175K Condi DPG, for about 300K total, which is roughly in line with what most shatter mesmer builds will get per game. Burn guardian can do over 1 million condition damage per game… so yeah, thats the ideal :/

I average higher condi damage on my cele build…. and power damage is usually alot higher.

Speed Starr, I should note that my anecdotal data is pretty bad since I’m terrible at condi necro! People who know what they’re doing have been getting 350-400K DPG post-patch, whereas I’ve only peaked at 290K since the patch. Those numbers I gave earlier were prepatch.

nearlight.3064:

Speed Starr, I should note that my anecdotal data is pretty bad since I’m terrible at condi necro! People who know what they’re doing have been getting 350-400K DPG post-patch, whereas I’ve only peaked at 290K since the patch. Those numbers I gave earlier were prepatch.

The patch today? Mine was also prepatch, although it probably won’t matter too much since I don’t use a scepter. Best I’ve seen I did for dps in a match was around 900k, 350 of it was condi damage. I don’t look at my score screens very often but I happened to look at that one.

Just seems a little crazy to use a condi amulet when you can get similiar condi damage from transfers.