Guild Wars 2

Hello again, I have another greatsword viper reaper roaming video to share. Hope you all enjoy. Build is in the description. Edit: Video 9 out now now added here as well.

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Video 3 *10min of SBI pugs throwing bodies at 4 of us in a camp, don’t take too seriously.
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The sickest build. That ranger that peeled off the zerg at the beginning was probably questioning reality while he uninstalled the game.

Also, thx for the shoutout on the other vid. I personally administered a 12k bleed tick this morning, so yeah… I was totally wrong

Viper condi reaper is totally unviable in wvw.

I have no idea what opponents you fought but they must be terrible. These thieves in your video… Thieves have to destroy you. No excuse! Every thief that gets killed by a GS viper reaper is a noob.

And you did not even run soul reaping. You die the moment a decent player is looking at you.

KrHome.1920:

Viper condi reaper is totally unviable in wvw.

I have no idea what opponents you fought but they must be terrible. These thieves in your video… Thieves have to destroy you. No excuse! Every thief that gets killed by a GS viper reaper is a noob.

And you did not even run soul reaping. You die the moment a decent player is looking at you.

Then I guess I haven’t fought any good players in WvW. The matchups against thieves you are right with how a good thief should never lose, but there aren’t enough good thieves out there apparently since I win 80%+ of those matchups.

I don’t argue that the build should be or is meta, but it’s fun to play and that’s all I care about at this point. I’ve done tb I’ve done dire I’ve played every class and at this point I just play what’s fun.

lmao this is actually hilarious! Nice to see vT again. You guys need to post to the forums more often. :P

KrHome.1920:

Viper condi reaper is totally unviable in wvw.

I have no idea what opponents you fought but they must be terrible. These thieves in your video… Thieves have to destroy you. No excuse! Every thief that gets killed by a GS viper reaper is a noob.

And you did not even run soul reaping. You die the moment a decent player is looking at you.

I mean… if you watch the video s/he is clearly doing work. I don’t see how specific matchups/traits/whatever are relevant as long as OP is having fun. If you don’t have something nice to say…

Ive tried this build and even with dire gear etc works fine in giving insta 30plus bleeds. However it is a bit squishy and cc susceptible. But so fun when it works?

miguelsil.6324:

Ive tried this build and even with dire gear etc works fine in giving insta 30plus bleeds. However it is a bit squishy and cc susceptible. But so fun when it works?

No defensive trait lines will do that. If cc is a problem swap out rise for another stun break. I know you probably already thought of/did that, but if other people find that is an issue that is the solution. Spectral armor, the shout stun break or worm would be best I believe.

For me it’s a bit of the overwhelm and kill them first before you run out of steam. You’ve got the tools to put the opponent on the backfoot and prevent their counter, but have weaknesses when it comes to being focused.

If you are using a tankier setup, I’d definitely recommend not using rise and swapping either the boon corrupt shout or another stun break.

Yeah but you will probably notice aswell when you r fighting one at close and another is hitting from afar your be screwed if the ranged knows his business. Hapened to me many times. Specially another necro or rifle warr or thief dodging. Thiefs dont get hit but damage and boonstrip you while dodging. Also ghost thiefs will kitten ya if u dont have a tower/fullshroud or a tarhet to transfer condis. Its pretty much onesided

miguelsil.6324:

Yeah but you will probably notice aswell when you r fighting one at close and another is hitting from afar your be screwed if the ranged knows his business. Hapened to me many times. Specially another necro or rifle warr or thief dodging. Thiefs dont get hit but damage and boonstrip you while dodging. Also ghost thiefs will kitten ya if u dont have a tower/fullshroud or a tarhet to transfer condis. Its pretty much onesided

While you’re right that a 1v2 with a ranged player who can put out damage can be an issue, I’d argue that such a situation is an issue for any reaper/necro build out there. Even tankier builds have issues with that.

For thieves, you might notice that my strategy isn’t to go at them head on, but rather I typically wait for their attacks and then land a swap combo on them right after one of their dodges. Otherwise, a well played thief with pulmonary impact really shouldn’t lose to any necro build.

Ghost thieves can be annoying, but honestly I just use the hard counter to them of holding down W and they can’t do anything about it.

You’re right with a lot of the points though, there are certain matchups that are much more difficult than you might expect. Usually the determining factor comes down to where the fight is (assuming the opponents have some skill). Playing this build, I’ve become a lot craftier in how I position and lure opponents to areas where I know it levels the playing field somewhat.

Helly.2597:

miguelsil.6324:

Yeah but you will probably notice aswell when you r fighting one at close and another is hitting from afar your be screwed if the ranged knows his business. Hapened to me many times. Specially another necro or rifle warr or thief dodging. Thiefs dont get hit but damage and boonstrip you while dodging. Also ghost thiefs will kitten ya if u dont have a tower/fullshroud or a tarhet to transfer condis. Its pretty much onesided

While you’re right that a 1v2 with a ranged player who can put out damage can be an issue, I’d argue that such a situation is an issue for any reaper/necro build out there. Even tankier builds have issues with that.

For thieves, you might notice that my strategy isn’t to go at them head on, but rather I typically wait for their attacks and then land a swap combo on them right after one of their dodges. Otherwise, a well played thief with pulmonary impact really shouldn’t lose to any necro build.

Ghost thieves can be annoying, but honestly I just use the hard counter to them of holding down W and they can’t do anything about it.

You’re right with a lot of the points though, there are certain matchups that are much more difficult than you might expect. Usually the determining factor comes down to where the fight is (assuming the opponents have some skill). Playing this build, I’ve become a lot craftier in how I position and lure opponents to areas where I know it levels the playing field somewhat.

Yeah in those situations i stated its all about the other players knowing what to do and be good otherwise they will fail. With that build in the same situations i saw in your vids i got the same results. Downing 5players distracted in the midle of 10 before they down me. Lol

miguelsil.6324:

Yeah in those situations i stated its all about the other players knowing what to do and be good otherwise they will fail. With that build in the same situations i saw in your vids i got the same results. Downing 5players distracted in the midle of 10 before they down me. Lol

Haha exactly. It punishes misplays by yourself and your opponents insanely hard, but man is it fun. I always crack up when I die 1v6+ and see 3 downs around my body.

Since I don’t want to pollute the front page with multiple threads, I am putting my new video here and in the first post of the thread. Enjoy.

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I laugh hard at that also lol. I dont even mind going down. And when they dont cc us its when they all die on getting out of shroud and swapibg to Gs. If i manage to get to the gs after shroud im pretty sure all will be down

I like how you were running away at the end and a Necro GS claw reached out and grabbed you. They are learning

I insta-downed an Anet dev earlier this week using this build, so I expect it will be toned down a bit soon. Enjoy it while you can.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

I like how you were running away at the end and a Necro GS claw reached out and grabbed you. They are learning

I insta-downed an Anet dev earlier this week using this build, so I expect it will be toned down a bit soon. Enjoy it while you can.

Haha I saw the claw coming at me and at that moment I knew I wasn’t gonna make it haha.

We’ll see what anet does with regards to the build and deathly chill. I’m expecting some toning down.

How viable is this build in PvP?
I came back the game to play Hammer Engi and GS Necro but neither seem very good in PvE.

jpnova.4572:

How viable is this build in PvP?
I came back the game to play Hammer Engi and GS Necro but neither seem very good in PvE.

I would say its not viable in sPvP, though I will admit I have not tried it.

Two new videos up, edited the initial post to include them. They are also included here;
Video 3 *10min of SBI pugs throwing bodies at 4 of us in a camp, don’t take too seriously.
Video 4

New video now up. Clips from the past day or so of roaming.

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New video now up.

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Nice. Just dont ask for nerfs necros can at least roam in condi now on pair with other classes :p

miguelsil.6324:

Nice. Just dont ask for nerfs necros can at least roam in condi now on pair with other classes :p

I’d rather they nerfed deathly chill from how passive it is and found a way to make it more active. Currently there is no skill in the trait and simply rewards players for tossing out as much chill as possible to overwhelm opponents.

Also video 7 (now with 100% more axe) is out.
Video 7

I think before they start nerfing our best roaming build.(unfortunatly its not power) they need to adress necros problems with sustain mobility and lf build.

miguelsil.6324:

I think before they start nerfing our best roaming build.(unfortunatly its not power) they need to adress necros problems with sustain mobility and lf build.

I don’t believe that the viability of necro roaming relies on deathly chill in its current state. I would rather anet reverted it back to 1 bleed per chill and then maybe had it corrupt a boon when you apply chill on a 5 or 10s icd (could be tuned a bit of course). Hell make the icd be target dependent like frost armor so aoe chill sources are still strong. Still a strong trait, but not the disgusting amounts of damage it is currently. Every necro/necro fight is a transfer fest while you watch the bleed stack up currently.

I take zero lf traits and I don’t really have lf issues. I’m a bit confused as to what builds exactly have issues with lf gain. Soul reaping is always an option and is fantastic at keeping lf topped up.

The mobility of necro should not be buff (beyond maybe a 25% move speed trait somewhere). Part of what allows for necro to be such a strong damage class/corrupt class is due to its weakness of low mobility. It rewards positioning, which is good. Does it suck sometimes? Of course, but its part of the class and it should be kept that way.

Same argument goes for buffing sustain. The reason balance (outside of spvp to an extent) is screwed up is due to anet buffing classes to be good at things they originally weren’t able to do. I would rather each class had clear weaknesses than each class be able to do everything. The classes I think this is best represented in currently are revenants (clear weakness to conditions without extensive traiting), necros (except for deathly chill), and warrior (though AH needs a nerf of 25-33%).

I just think that considering a wvw that has warriors thiefs chronos dhs druids each with builds that are op in someway for roaming. Necros r on pair with them right now and we still lose in sustain. That build u use and that i tried aswell is all good specially if u catch them off guard. But if ur seem from a distance its a diferent story

jpnova.4572:

How viable is this build in PvP?
I came back the game to play Hammer Engi and GS Necro but neither seem very good in PvE.

Condi GS is the meta build for PvE necromancer.

Hammer Engi is a PvP thing

Helly, nice videos! Do you know any good BG necros that can play this well? Last night while roaming with my guild we kept running into one of three necros, each with a different build. First was a charr necro(base) running a power spec, he was fairly easy to damage, but never failed to kill 1 or 2 of us, saw some 12k life blasts in our logs.
Second was a sylvari running a power reaper, we didn’t fight him..but we watched him camping on the ruin closest to Garry and bay, he fought 4 people for nearly 10 minutes before they gave up and stopped running back, never really took damage, but took huge chunks off each attack.
Third was an asura, little Condi reaper.. Hit our entire party with something like what you have in the videos, but several of us hit 45 stacks of bleed (we aren’t great we know), never knew a single reaper could drop a 5 man party in seconds..and teleport stomp (I think the worm).

Curious if you know them, or might be able to guess the builds, we obviously need to learn more about necros and you seem to know your stuff! Thanks!

jaz.8954:

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I should be able to put together the power builds later tonight, but I for sure know the Condi one I believe. Friend of mine Icewielder was probably the one who played it. His build (though it might be slightly outdated) would be the one below.

Viper Build Alt

Unless the thief is particularly skilled, if the reaper knows how the thief works it’s usually a relatively safe kill.

Been destroying them pretty much since I picked up reaper seriously on a berserker power build. You just need to know not to go chasing them. Suffer pretty much wins fights on its own, too, since it’ll send the weakness back which hits their endurance and crits.

Vol 8 is now out. This time pretty much exclusively using the signet variant of my viper reaper build. Hope you all enjoy.

Video 8

Always cool to watch ur vids m8. I like this variation only wish healling signet would work inaide shroud and better because right now its meh.

miguelsil.6324:

Always cool to watch ur vids m8. I like this variation only wish healling signet would work inaide shroud and better because right now its meh.

Thanks! Yeah I agree though idk if making the passive work through shroud would be the best solution. Namely cause they’d have to change entirely how signets interact with shroud. I think maybe shorter base CD on the signet itself would be nice or a cast time reduction to make it 3/4s cast instead of the current cast time of a year.

Congrats on creating the new wvw meta! This build is all i see anymore!

Video 9 is now up, apologies for the horrible title.

Video 9