Guild Wars 2

Ok, so I decided I might as well go post all my builds around to see what’s what. If you frequent other classes’ boards you’ll probably see another one of my topics there asking for advice.

Anyway, to preface I pretty much just play PvE and I’m open to just about all suggestions but I’d like to keep my weapon sets.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mVVczm0zMoMxFooMxFo0GGx0MkmVcRb8070q7ow170m

So pretty straightforward. I don’t like the idea of Minion Masters (which are UP anyway, or so I have heard). And a trap/mine/mark type of game-play is something I don’t really have with my other characters so it could be fun to play around with. As with most of my characters one of the big questions for me is what gear to use, so far I think maybe rabid.

i would drop Master of Corruptions for Focused Rituals if your looking for a wellcromancer, because it looks like you play with a ranged play style. if you had D/D then i wouldnt say anything but with S/D it seems to be more viable for well use.

Hmm thanks for the input.

However, I do find Wells to have a rather large area of effect and with just a tiny bit of movement I can place them where I want them. In other words Focused Rituals makes using Wells more convenient but doesn’t give me access to anything I already can’t do.

Focused Rituals gives you ranged burst potential that you cannot achieve otherwise. Drop Wells, Control with Marks/dagger3/focus5, swap to DS and clean up all your targets without having to down them.

You will most certainly be interrupted or stunned if you try the same thing from melee range. Having no stability and no quickness makes Necro burst near impossible within melee range.

So yes Focused rituals does give you access to much you are unable to do.

Not understanding some of the jargon here: I have an offhand Dagger so Dagger 3 doesn’t help and no Focus so Focus 5 is also irrelevant, and not sure what DS is. Also what do you mean “clean up your targets without having to down them”.

As for the interrupts or stuns: in PvE, outside of Orr, there aren’t so many stuns that getting a little close is impossible. In fact you can probably get through most content without ever really needing Stability except for maybe a few bosses.

Like I said it takes just a few seconds to reposition yourself and lay down a Well. I find this to be a very mobile game and players are on the move quite a bit so squeezing in for a Well drop then retreating a bit isn’t that hard especially with an AoE Cripple, Chill, and Fear.

asimo.6354:

Not understanding some of the jargon here: I have an offhand Dagger so Dagger 3 doesn’t help and no Focus so Focus 5 is also irrelevant, and not sure what DS is. Also what do you mean “clean up your targets without having to down them”.

As for the interrupts or stuns: in PvE, outside of Orr, there aren’t so many stuns that getting a little close is impossible. In fact you can probably get through most content without ever really needing Stability except for maybe a few bosses.

Like I said it takes just a few seconds to reposition yourself and lay down a Well. I find this to be a very mobile game and players are on the move quite a bit so squeezing in for a Well drop then retreating a bit isn’t that hard especially with an AoE Cripple, Chill, and Fear.

You should probably learn more about how 2 play necro before trying to give advice on the forums and certainly before attempting to defend your advice against critique.

See you in a month or two when you have put some more Necro experience notches on your belt.

Well thanks for edifying me oh great one, yeesh. Just trying to gain a better understanding of the class through discourse is all, but thanks for the attitude.

I mean the whole point of this topic is to get advice and experience else I wouldn’t have posted anything, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to question and poke at what people are saying, that’s just conversation. It’s not personal.

When you ask for advice it is customary to close your noise emitting orifices long enough to at least digest it when received. When you solicit advice it usually means you are not able to figure something out. Clearly though you don’t want advice as much as an opportunity to argue the epicness of the poop you just made.

But I am here to tell you, I have downed a Little Caesar’s Family Box solo. You don’t know what epic is.

And you also don’t know about how extremely powerful ranged wells are when you used them to set up 20 stacks of vunerability, blood is power with epidemic, and Death Shroud 4 on everything around you. All safely from outside melee range, on the run, enhancing mobility…

Are you picking up what I am putting down here? The point is I poop way bigger than you.

please, oh please stop with changing the name of the class.

It’s getting more and more stupid each time. Maybe the next one will be kittenomancer.

vicious.5683:

please, oh please stop with changing the name of the class.

It’s getting more and more stupid each time. Maybe the next one will be kittenomancer.

I agree with this.

Well this topic turned out to be a disaster. You seem to be suggessting that you’re so great and awesome people should just shut up and listen to you. The whole process of digesting material is a back and forth. A one sided conversation does nothing for anybody except inflate egos. I would have been happy to receive the rationale behind your advice since it’s silly to just accept something without understanding why it’s important. But, it seems like you’re more interested in just being unpleasant than actually helping out.

If I can break it down: I ask for info, I recieve info, wanting to better understand the info and why someone thinks it’s great advice I ask questions, play devil’s advocate, etc. Normal people explain their reasoning so that it’s clear why these are good choices. Instead you decided to just insult and talk about poop. So you see there’s no “I want to tell the world how great of a Necromancer I am!” In fact I know I’m a novice hence the existence of this topic, but to expect the education process to be: “I talk you listen” is pretty archaic. Socratic method yo.

Also why are you taking this so personally?

As for vicious: meh it’s just shorthand so people immediatley know what you’re talking about. Well-based Necromancer is a lot more tedious to type and say than Wellcromancer. People get annoyed by the strangest most inconsequential things.

Also man I’m verbose sorry

^ Epic projection. Clear description of my first post which you didn’t even read, since it starts with a hypothesis, Ranged wells have strong merit, is bridged with a clear description of that merit, and then closes with advice that should have left you with a new sense of perspective, which when seeking advice is what people are usually seeking.

Instead you wanted me to marvel at your giant poop. Seems like you are projecting your own emotional instability on to me in the hopes that I will react to it?

Ugh why can’t we just talk nomrally. I read your first post and it wasn’t clear to me, and I would have liked an explanantion but that’s not what I got. You say ranged wells have merit, got it, then you say it is bridged with a clear description of that merit, which is where I disagree (which is ok btw diagreeing is part of the whole process). Usually this means you offer some sort of rationale or clarity.

Here if we start over take these posts: “And you also don’t know about how extremely powerful ranged wells are when you used them to set up 20 stacks of vunerability, blood is power with epidemic, and Death Shroud 4 on everything around you. All safely from outside melee range, on the run, enhancing mobility…”

and…“Focused Rituals gives you ranged burst potential that you cannot achieve otherwise. Drop Wells, Control with Marks/dagger3/focus5, swap to DS and clean up all your targets without having to down them.”

It is not clear to me what you are saying. It could be great advice but that’s besides the point I would have liked clarity not insults then I could understand where you are coming from, and hey maybe we could even agree.

Also I’m pretty emotionally stable, I only cried for a little bit. But seriously, if your next post is just more unpleasantness, e-psychology, and poop references then I’ll think I’ll pass. Though it’s rather quaint, really you must think you’re rather witty.

Not everyone can drop epic deuce my friend. You jealousy is far from misplaced.

The issue here is you need to use Necro and experiment (with all weapons and utilities) until you have a better understanding of the mechanics. You can’t use the forums like some kind of mastery development cheat code. You have to know the basics first.

DS = Death Shroud, its a fundamental part of Necro. Basics. I gave you a place to start, Dagger/Focus + Wells. Go start.

“You can’t use the forums like some kind of mastery development cheat code.” Not sure what this means. I guess you think I’ll just copy and paste whatever I see here and hope to win? If that were the case I wouldn’t have doubted you in the first place would I?

Ok I know what Death Shroud is and how it works, just not the abbreviation so thanks for that. Also I made it pretty clear in my first post the only caveat I really have is keeping my weapon sets as is. So much for reading the first post and all that.

Still no explanantion on: “set up 20 stacks of vunerability” sounds great how can I do it?

Or…"and clean up all your targets without having to down them.” As far as I can tell “clean up your targets” is a euphemism for defeating them but isn’t downing them the same thing? This sentence is just confusing.

Also I’m surprised we’re friends now.

I used to take Focused Rituals very often but lately I’ve been dropping it as well.
I’m not afraid to get near monsters (aside from Lupicus and some others…) so the range isn’t doing that much.
It’s probably great if you like farming monsters, but I find farming dreadfully boring.

I’ve never thought of using Blood is Power to get better Well damage before!
I should try it sometime!

Note that Wells deal Power based damage, so for Well of Suffering to deal a lot of damage you’ll need Power.

If going with this build I’d suggest using Carrion (Condition+Power+Vitality) because Scepter is mostly dealing Condition Damage whereas the Well of Suffering and Lich Form are using Power.

Also I feel that Well of Blood is rather lackluster and I don’t know if 3 second protection and the reduced cooldown do much to change that.
Maybe it does? I have my doubts but I won’t judge it just yet.

If it works for you then good, but Consume Conditions would likely be better.

Figured I’d link the build I’ve been running for a couple months now.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mVVm0McMzohGxomwoaMx0xa0zkbMmVM8kiU707khs70z7kii70z7kNh70z7kGj70z7kNf70z7ofF70m8of2

I’ve added my talents and gear in there. I’ve played a dagger/dagger Necro leveling up, conditions Necro grinding gear, and have come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter how fast you kill if you cannot survive. With that I made this build and have kept it quite a while now. I don’t do much damage, but I can heal, regen, remove conditions, remove boons, and apply -33% damage protection to the entire group.

I use this in Fractals right now and seems to be working well for me. I"m only on Fractal 20, but I fail my runs much less often with this build than when I try my condition or power offensive builds.

Up to you how you play. It took me a while to make this build effective. Don’t expect to get a grasp on it just by copying it. Necro doesn’t work that way

Well thanks to the last two posters, seems like there is civil discourse on these forums after all :P

@Last Day tbh the Blood is Power was a bit of an afterthought, the other Wells felt a bit redundant and I had a Curses Trait to fill, so Blood is Power meshed with the corruption cooldown trait.

Also I do realize I seem to be be pulling myself between Power and Cond Damage I need to find a bit more dircetion, good thing Might improves both. Also Carrion is an interesting choice, do you guys think I should bother with Precison or Prowess with this build? I think I’ve been drinking the Berserker Kool Aid a bit too much recently so now I find myself constant wondering if ththat’s the gear and stats to increase.

Lastly, Well of Blood is indeed a little underwhelming, I pretty much took it becaue “hey another Well” that being said Blood Minion didnt seem too hot to me either. Consume Condiitons seems like it might be the best heal, though I do wonder if the Sylvari heal is any good. Never bothered with racials.

@Fireline That’s an interesting build, a bit too heal-y for my tastes but I have wondered if that’s the direction I should go in. Interesting that you have such a long range weapon and a short range one. Even though they aren’t exactly the weapon sets I’m using seeing other builds still gives insight on how to play a certain class.

Thanks for the input guys!

i tested a very similar build for a few hours, and it wasnt bad. i also have to echo the others in saying that u need Focused Rituals for a wellmancer.

i came to a conclusion that i dont like any tanky builds that dont have 30 in Soul Reaping, and i dont like damage builds that dont have 30 in Spite. someone said it before and you’ll realize it as well: hybrid necros just dont work. you either wont be generating enough LF , or you wont be downing people quickly enough. you need one or the other to survive basically.