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I mean wouldn’t 5x well of suffering + 5x well of corruption burn everything down faster than a typical team?

it dosnt matter unless you doing high end fractals or arah.Everything works.And even so,you still can do it,all depends on skill and time.

Sandrox.9524:

it dosnt matter unless you doing high end fractals or arah.Everything works.And even so,you still can do it,all depends on skill and time.

The question isn’t “can it be done?” but rather, “wouldn’t this be really freaking strong?”

Dagger + Wells have great burst noticed my self the problem is long Well CD
So in short period of time 5 necros could do very good .

If arena will add a traid that will reduce wells CD to 50 % necros at last can become good DPSers among such as warriors or thiefs

BUT 5 warriors will do better because of Op Hundread Blades with 6 sec CD much more better

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

it dosnt matter unless you doing high end fractals or arah.Everything works.And even so,you still can do it,all depends on skill and time.

The question isn’t “can it be done?” but rather, “wouldn’t this be really freaking strong?”

I don’t know about really strong, but it would certainly be fun!

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

I think it is save to say that stacking more than 1 or 2 players of the same profession in a group is generally not optimal, especially when you stack a class that only has one unique and super weak team-wide buff (Vampiric Aura) and very limited access to active defenses (Blinds, …).

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

They are if you want to do it quickly. Otherwise, you’re stuck with combat speed.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

They are if you want to do it quickly. Otherwise, you’re stuck with combat speed.

It’s pretty easy to dodge everything without vigor or aegis.

Only time I don’t have enough endurance is SE path 1, those golems with the mines that pull you so I have to do some fancy stuff but it’s not a big deal.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

With blood is power you can have 40stacks of might for 8 seconds. Probably enough to kill everything with 5 wells of suffering and a few dagger AAs (yes, i know you cant have more than 25 might)

Aenesthesia.1697:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

With blood is power you can have 40stacks of might for 8 seconds. Probably enough to kill everything with 5 wells of suffering and a few dagger AAs (yes, i know you cant have more than 25 might)

BiP radius is 240…

Well uhh… This happens! Completely random by the way, we had an ele and ranger but they relogged to necro XD
Love it when people don’t take dungeons too seriously

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

Necros aren’t that bad in high lvl fractal..transfusion, protection…
And a 5 necro scenario…BiP and DS auto can give enough might until they get the boss below 50%, then might stacks on its own, they can trivialize destroying trash mob groups with wells of darkness and blasting wells with staff4, aoe protection all the time, perma 25vuln, chills cripples….and with chill/immob bosses would never get close enough to become a threat. The only thing that worries me is the lack of reflects for example in the shaman fractal, but 5 transfusions and 5 WoS, and all mobs are toast. I really think a party of 5 necros would melt everything in sight, just a little slower than eles.

>>best fractal50s ive had have been with players that play good on their main<<

Even if they nerfed icebow there would still be meteor shower. Even if they nerfed all impact type AoE’s. There would still be the fact that thief/ele/engi/guard all out dps necro without icebow/staff ele. And buffs are important. So no, a 5 necro team will never be faster. The frontload burst of those wells really isnt that impressive especially when your group isnt buffing you.

That said. 5 necros could still melt things pretty fast. It will just never compete with more optimised groups. Just swapping 1 necro to a phalanx warrior would already increase the entire groups output by a huge amount. Every swap you make gives higher returns in various ways. So thief and mesmer speed things up on a stealth/portal level on top of damage.

spoj.9672:

Even if they nerfed icebow there would still be meteor shower. Even if they nerfed all impact type AoE’s. There would still be the fact that thief/ele/engi/guard all out dps necro without icebow/staff ele. And buffs are important. So no, a 5 necro team will never be faster. The frontload burst of those wells really isnt that impressive especially when your group isnt buffing you.

That said. 5 necros could still melt things pretty fast. It will just never compete with more optimised groups. Just swapping 1 necro to a phalanx warrior would already increase the entire groups output by a huge amount. Every swap you make gives higher returns in various ways. So thief and mesmer speed things up on a stealth/portal level on top of damage.

with good build u can solo get 16 might without BiP after 50 % hp boss even in lvl 50 fractals I 100% time run with max might

I always do fractals with necro and I allways try to max out dps and watch how fast other players kill and often I found my self killing same mobs faster than other players guess because I as a hated necro trying to prove to the team that I’m a viable DPS

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJAoYjc0QLNWTDO2A/NOwFKZP01hNcACgWgeGtxzC-TRCBABV8AAqZ/htU6ZoOgKV/5MlgYpMAgTAQeaBIFwoCtA-e

This is my new build I want to try MAX possible DPS without Blood Magic ;/
Blood magic helped me even in fractal 50 melee 80 % of time range 20 %
Even if you get hit with Blood magic we regen Hp quite fast and we are ready do go back in ….. while I noticed a lot of Warriors thiefs figthing most of the time with range weapons …but range is much worse dps than melee

The only way to be shure is Arena net add DPS meters

One thing that I hate most about necro is skill 1….. worst auto skill in game for a power build ;/

Did a fractal 50 with 5X necro (first 2 fractals was 4X necro) and it was actually surprisingly easy. Now, it wasn’t more efficient, it was’t faster, it just was pretty darn easy. The only thing that was annoying was the fire fields on Molten Facility… and me for transfusioning my whole group in front of Mai Trin to die

So is it powerful and are 10 wells going to melt something, naw, not any better (not even as good) as other group compositions. But, it was fun, and I want to try a 5X Minion Master run now, that’d be interesting.

Jerus.4350:

Did a fractal 50 with 5X necro (first 2 fractals was 4X necro) and it was actually surprisingly easy. Now, it wasn’t more efficient, it was’t faster, it just was pretty darn easy. The only thing that was annoying was the fire fields on Molten Facility… and me for transfusioning my whole group in front of Mai Trin to die

So is it powerful and are 10 wells going to melt something, naw, not any better (not even as good) as other group compositions. But, it was fun, and I want to try a 5X Minion Master run now, that’d be interesting.

Thats it, it isnt more efficient but its pretty easy. Tankiness, lots of AoE, blinds.

5 MMancers would suck at high level, minions instadead from aoes and you do subpar damage cause your utilities are on cooldown^^

But… funny as hell!

Also having like some Blood is Power topped off our might we were getting from DS builds on that run, which was pretty cool.

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Ok.Why do I bother.

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Ok.Why do I bother.

Well you shouldn’t bother acting like it’s impossible to run past stuff as a necro because people do it every day.

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Ok.Why do I bother.

Skipping mobs on necro is easy as hell, if you need ally buffs then you do it wrong… since arah p2 can be easily skipped there is no argument that you need allies to skip.
and in high lvl fractal the only thing necro lacks is reflects, you got protection and swiftness, stability vigor are very situational and not needed. And you can get both if you really want them…

I find it interesting that the people who did 5 necro groups said it was really easy. That’s what I’d expect. There seems to be a serious perception problem in the playerbase about necro because a weak profession wouldn’t make for easier runs if you stacked 5 of them.

Anyone ever consider maybe Anet is afraid to buff the necro or add utility because then we’d stack necros to make content braindead easy while also having the required utility/damage for super fast runs?

spoj.9672:

Even if they nerfed icebow there would still be meteor shower. Even if they nerfed all impact type AoE’s. There would still be the fact that thief/ele/engi/guard all out dps necro without icebow/staff ele. And buffs are important. So no, a 5 necro team will never be faster. The frontload burst of those wells really isnt that impressive especially when your group isnt buffing you.

That said. 5 necros could still melt things pretty fast. It will just never compete with more optimised groups. Just swapping 1 necro to a phalanx warrior would already increase the entire groups output by a huge amount. Every swap you make gives higher returns in various ways. So thief and mesmer speed things up on a stealth/portal level on top of damage.

+1

If we could get a a 50 percent cooldown on wells trait man that would change everything. Necro burst with dagger and wells crushes everything, but after the Wells are gone…

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

Pelopidas.2140:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Ok.Why do I bother.

Skipping mobs on necro is easy as hell, if you need ally buffs then you do it wrong… since arah p2 can be easily skipped there is no argument that you need allies to skip.
and in high lvl fractal the only thing necro lacks is reflects, you got protection and swiftness, stability vigor are very situational and not needed. And you can get both if you really want them…

In any way you looking at what you said,it just proves my point.You litreally looking for excuses: “can do arah p2” oh well didnt know arah have one path :/,“Only thing necro lacks is reflects” if this is “only” I dont know what game you playing.You obviosuly havent done high level fractals,if you think reflects are “only”.And Stability is situational-and you use it on almost every situation.

Azure.8670:

If we could get a a 50 percent cooldown on wells trait man that would change everything. Necro burst with dagger and wells crushes everything, but after the Wells are gone…

I’d rather see necros get some game changing might stacking and 2-3 new damage modifiers. Besides, 50% cd on wells wouldn’t be balanced, they would be weak without it or too strong with it. More usage of wells won’t fix the low dps on all but 5 necro weapon skills (Life blast, tainted shackles, dagger auto, focus 4, and warhorn 5).

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

Please, you can do it just fine. It won’t go as fast and it won’t be as faceroll as an optimized group but you won’t have any serious problems.
People of all classes managed to solo Lupi back when i played before, you don’t need to one shot him with a reflect or skip 80% of the content with a thief to be able to beat the dungeon.

Petrol.9086:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

Please, you can do it just fine. It won’t go as fast and it won’t be as faceroll as an optimized group but you won’t have any serious problems.
People of all classes managed to solo Lupi back when i played before, you don’t need to one shot him with a reflect or skip 80% of the content with a thief to be able to beat the dungeon.

We didnt talked about soloing a champ mob,neither about the ability of 5 necro team to finish an instance.The time factor do play a part in this discussion as the OP thniks it is viable to go 5 necro than the standart faceroll setups,and even do better.Which is wrong.

fyi you should read my 1st reply here which is the 2nd in this topic.

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Sandrox.9524:

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Yes you will lol.

I just did arah today because I happen to need tokens and nobody helped me run past the mobs. I just survived because I’m tanky.

5 necros would survive running easily because they’re all tanky and you can CC the mobs with staff abilities to keep them off you while you run.

Somebody in the thread said 5 necros made things easier and I’m not surprised. The necro is the most self sufficient character and is unlikely to ever go down when played right. So if you have 5 of them your party probably won’t wipe.

I mean it’s slower because you don’t have blasts + fire fields or ice bows. But you will be able to skip whatever you need to skip and stack where you need to stack and all that.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Yes you will lol.

I just did arah today because I happen to need tokens and nobody helped me run past the mobs. I just survived because I’m tanky.

5 necros would survive running easily because they’re all tanky and you can CC the mobs with staff abilities to keep them off you while you run.

Somebody in the thread said 5 necros made things easier and I’m not surprised. The necro is the most self sufficient character and is unlikely to ever go down when played right. So if you have 5 of them your party probably won’t wipe.

I mean it’s slower because you don’t have blasts + fire fields or ice bows. But you will be able to skip whatever you need to skip and stack where you need to stack and all that.

Running past mobs is one thing,doing the instance like meta is another.It all comes to my first comment to your topic.

Azure.8670:

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

And my fastest was a fractal 50 with 2 warriors, 1 thief and 2 eles, we melee’d everything to death within 10-20 seconds.

Try getting that fire field blast off with a necromancer in your team.

Azzer.8137:

Azure.8670:

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

And my fastest was a fractal 50 with 2 warriors, 1 thief and 2 eles, we melee’d everything to death within 10-20 seconds.

Try getting that fire field blast off with a necromancer in your team.

Replace the warriors. The 1 thief + 2 eles can generate 25 might from blasting, no need for warriors.

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Yes you will lol.

I just did arah today because I happen to need tokens and nobody helped me run past the mobs. I just survived because I’m tanky.

5 necros would survive running easily because they’re all tanky and you can CC the mobs with staff abilities to keep them off you while you run.

Somebody in the thread said 5 necros made things easier and I’m not surprised. The necro is the most self sufficient character and is unlikely to ever go down when played right. So if you have 5 of them your party probably won’t wipe.

I mean it’s slower because you don’t have blasts + fire fields or ice bows. But you will be able to skip whatever you need to skip and stack where you need to stack and all that.

Running past mobs is one thing,doing the instance like meta is another.It all comes to my first comment to your topic.

You can do anything like the meta team aside from reflects.

Khristophoros.7194:

Azzer.8137:

Azure.8670:

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

And my fastest was a fractal 50 with 2 warriors, 1 thief and 2 eles, we melee’d everything to death within 10-20 seconds.

Try getting that fire field blast off with a necromancer in your team.

Replace the warriors. The 1 thief + 2 eles can generate 25 might from blasting, no need for warriors.

1 Phalanx with banners makes a big difference in fractals. Not so much in dungeons though.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Yes you will lol.

I just did arah today because I happen to need tokens and nobody helped me run past the mobs. I just survived because I’m tanky.

5 necros would survive running easily because they’re all tanky and you can CC the mobs with staff abilities to keep them off you while you run.

Somebody in the thread said 5 necros made things easier and I’m not surprised. The necro is the most self sufficient character and is unlikely to ever go down when played right. So if you have 5 of them your party probably won’t wipe.

I mean it’s slower because you don’t have blasts + fire fields or ice bows. But you will be able to skip whatever you need to skip and stack where you need to stack and all that.

Running past mobs is one thing,doing the instance like meta is another.It all comes to my first comment to your topic.

You can do anything like the meta team aside from reflects.

Didnt knew that Necros have quickness,blast finishers,fire fields and stability(yeah you need it to not get inturpted on your burst) omg wtf is wrong with me

Mhm, as was before PS build got a big buff, the main reason it’s so nice is the allowance of other fields to be used freely without affecting your might.

Necro might capabilities are actually on the higher end, blood is power is pretty nice, it’s not Ele/Engi/War level but it’d probably be next up. Not really something I’d complain about, especially when discussing 5X nec runs where you can easily work together or even individually and be sitting at 20+ easily.

Projectile defense really is the biggest thorn in necro’s side IMO, I really wish they’d change the poison cloud to destroy those. Basically that is the reason a 5 nec team simply can’t do many things in the same way a meta team would. Some bosses if you sit and stack you’re all going to eat it even with DS because all the projectiles that are designed to be avoided are landing because you lack active defenses.

I do really wish we’d get 3 things, well 4, the fourth being competative dps potential. But, projectile destruction on poison cloud. An evade on a weapon skill, and a block on a weapon skill. My personal view is that simply mechanically we’re too far behind. Looking at Lupi which is one of the better made fights, we’re simply going to have to mitigate attacks even with 2X energy sigil you don’t have the evades to get through. Then looking at Mai Trin which is again IMO one of the better fights, it has a mechanic that “requires” blocks, now I’ve managed it fine by absorbing the shot and initial attack with DS, but if they continue with that idea of unevadeable attacks that change the fights dynamic, which I think they should, it’s something that will bite us later on.

Again though, did the 5X necro, it was surprisingly easy, although not easier than the more diverse setups. Certainly a fun change of pace though. Easily one of the best 5X profession runs though, I’d imagine Guard would be easier and Warrior pretty close though I think I’d give it to necro.

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Petrol.9086:

Well you wrote “won’t survive Arah or high lvl fractals” which is what i reacted to, and it is perfectly viable to clear them without much trouble.

But no you won’t do better than the standard meta team. Guardians, Warriors and Eles are just too frickin strong beacuse Anet somehow think it’s balanced to give the some of the highest damage dealers the best support because reasons.

Wont survive trying to do it like the meta team.

Yes you will lol.

I just did arah today because I happen to need tokens and nobody helped me run past the mobs. I just survived because I’m tanky.

5 necros would survive running easily because they’re all tanky and you can CC the mobs with staff abilities to keep them off you while you run.

Somebody in the thread said 5 necros made things easier and I’m not surprised. The necro is the most self sufficient character and is unlikely to ever go down when played right. So if you have 5 of them your party probably won’t wipe.

I mean it’s slower because you don’t have blasts + fire fields or ice bows. But you will be able to skip whatever you need to skip and stack where you need to stack and all that.

Running past mobs is one thing,doing the instance like meta is another.It all comes to my first comment to your topic.

You can do anything like the meta team aside from reflects.

Didnt knew that Necros have quickness,blast finishers,fire fields and stability(yeah you need it to not get inturpted on your burst) omg wtf is wrong with me

How often do you really need stability? I mean I run it on Aetherblade Fractal when I guard but not very many other places, none that I can think of off the top of my head other than maybe harpies if you’re killing them.

Nah BiP is worse than guard staff now.

spoj.9672:

Nah BiP is worse than guard staff now.

I guess I see what you’re saying, looking at it again, yeah not that impressive, we were using it as a team of 5 necros and we all bursted to 20+ stacks then maintained it through other means and were sitting pretty. But, yes 8s 30s reuse for 8 stacks… again I thought it was better than it is. I don’t know if I’d go to the extreme of staff guard being better, pulling a staff out during a fight is just… eww. But, guard is capable of keeping up 5+ stacks with their on crit trait which isn’t a big loss to get anymore with the trait reworking and strength of symbols making Honor a decent idea.

spoj.9672:

Khristophoros.7194:

Azzer.8137:

Azure.8670:

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

And my fastest was a fractal 50 with 2 warriors, 1 thief and 2 eles, we melee’d everything to death within 10-20 seconds.

Try getting that fire field blast off with a necromancer in your team.

Replace the warriors. The 1 thief + 2 eles can generate 25 might from blasting, no need for warriors.

1 Phalanx with banners makes a big difference in fractals. Not so much in dungeons though.

You realize phalanx has no point when you blast for 25 might, right?

Jerus.4350:

spoj.9672:

Nah BiP is worse than guard staff now.

I guess I see what you’re saying, looking at it again, yeah not that impressive, we were using it as a team of 5 necros and we all bursted to 20+ stacks then maintained it through other means and were sitting pretty. But, yes 8s 30s reuse for 8 stacks… again I thought it was better than it is. I don’t know if I’d go to the extreme of staff guard being better, pulling a staff out during a fight is just… eww. But, guard is capable of keeping up 5+ stacks with their on crit trait which isn’t a big loss to get anymore with the trait reworking and strength of symbols making Honor a decent idea.

5 necros wouldn’t need to worry about might sharing actually. They’d each generate their own might.

Khristophoros.7194:

spoj.9672:

Khristophoros.7194:

Azzer.8137:

Azure.8670:

Oh and to add, my fastest frac 50 ever was 1 warrior 1 ranger 3 necros. Nothing survived between wells and healing spring we meleed archdiviner into instant death

And my fastest was a fractal 50 with 2 warriors, 1 thief and 2 eles, we melee’d everything to death within 10-20 seconds.

Try getting that fire field blast off with a necromancer in your team.

Replace the warriors. The 1 thief + 2 eles can generate 25 might from blasting, no need for warriors.

1 Phalanx with banners makes a big difference in fractals. Not so much in dungeons though.

You realize phalanx has no point when you blast for 25 might, right?

It is easier and often just as efficient to have your warrior run ps. Your better off using the warrior for might because you already have to bring them for banners and empower allies. You can do a nice opener with stacking might, but then your eles have to keep stacking might, which has downsides in that people have to worry about fields. Your better off running two staff eles and not worrying about blasting for might in combat. In dungeons, this isn’t a problem because and optimal group can stack might and burn the boss down before the first set of might wears off. Also, spoj is well aware of pretty much everything in pve, and even suggesting spoj isn’t aware of blasting might is hilarious to anyone who has been on these forums for more than a year.