Guild Wars 2

As you can probably tell, one of the main reasons i started guildwards 2 was the necromancer class since no other mmo genre has a class that can resemble one.
Since the start of guildwards 2, necros have been bad no matter the excruciatingly slow “fixes” applied to them and yes i ve been around for that long.
I keep seeing “necros are bad” threads all this time and since i share their concern i cant help but wonder, why do people keep playing that class?

And before you say “lol what are you talking about reapers will be awesome” just think for a moment, has arena net ever bothered fixing the key element that makes the necromancer what he is, like minions or damage over time effects?
Sure necromancer may have high survivability skills but thats just it.No damage or cc or reliable minions to shine in pvp and even pve group content.

So i check the forums once in a while even logging in to check some new content with my human necro in hopes of seeing a change but arena net keeps dissapointing us year after year and as i see it, they certainly will with the coming years and/or expansions

So im asking again why do you even bother playing this “wannabe” necromancer class?

/End rant

Did you really explore nerco deep enough…there’s currently quite a few good build
Power build —--people can 1 or 2 shot in lich form
Well build—-bunker/healing support build
MM dps or bunker build——with the new patch it had buff MM by a lot

and just in case you dun know we can now heal while in DS form

Because the class theme is awesome! Always played necro/summoner classes in all MMOs.

It’s too close to give up we made it this far after all. They are trying to make DS less restrictive but they are so slow and afraid for some reason. My greatest issues right now is stab convert,Wetfire,Parasitic Contagion,Spiteful Spirit etc quite a few actually but I don’t know if it feels like we are getting closer.

I didn’t mention MoC/corruptions because those deserves a CDI not a simple response just like the axe baits.

It’s my class, man. I played it in GW1, in GW2 at Conventions pre beta, during beta, early release, all that jazz. I leveled to 80, explored the whole world and did all the dungeons before I realised the faults in the profession from a competitive side. I’m invested in my main.

That being said, I also play Engi, Warr and Mesmer in PvP to a reasonable level, and WvW with my Guard and meta-PvE with my Thief. It’s not like we’ve all just been sitting on our Necro’s in a dark corner of LA, curled up in the foetal position crying about how broken we are. We want change, and it’s worth kicking up a fuss for. The Devs don’t listen at the Cons when you meet them, so maybe if we shout enough on here it’ll get through (Robert Gee is listening, which is nice).

Some people just like to watch the world burn.

And some are masochists.

Still running my healbunker, terrormancer and terrorhybrid….

people run in and face you and die…. problems start when 2 arrive at the same time who make sure they are on opposite sides….

And yes It’s my well of suffering, but luckily I give you conditions back and boonstrip you as well……. making my well of suffering yours…

Also me making my party stay “stable” when they go down can be very intimidating… the fact I can keep the zerk parties up now with regen and vampiric makes me more usefull kitten well… But this time more a well of power…

Only thing I find sad is my transfusion healing 75% of it’s original capacity…

Personally…. the theme is too cool to just drop it. My necro to me looks amazing in his white and red with the white wings. It’ll be even BETTER when I get to use twilight on him.

The necro is very good in very big team fights or gvg’s . It’ s the only place where you can tell meta and necro in one sentence. In all other places the necro is either bad or easy to exchange with another class who can bring the same plus more to the table. Anet keeps ignoring that since Release because they either dont have a clue what to do with the class or to stubborn to see that their idea is crap.

Robert gee is more concerned that mesmers are able to win necros than the necro class itself.

I bother because:

1. I like the theme.

2. I like shattering kid’s dreams (boons).

3. I like DoTs.

4. I still hold some hope that someday Arena Net finally realizes all the potential in Shroud mechanic.

5. I like being the special snowflake and making work things that shouldn’t <- biggest reason.

haha, Anet already think shroud is OP in its current form and its the main reason we cant have nice things.

Anything that we get becomes OP because our class name is necromancer apparently. When same mechanics are on any other class they are fine.

getzzzonked.7609:

… I leveled to 80, explored the whole world and did all the dungeons before I realised the faults in the profession from a competitive side. I’m invested in my main….

This ^

And, love the theme. Idk, no matter which class I try, I always ALWAYS come back to my beloved Necro!

I enjoy playing the profession, so I continue to play it.

vergil.6195:

As you can probably tell, one of the main reasons i started guildwards 2 was the necromancer class since no other mmo genre has a class that can resemble one.
Since the start of guildwards 2, necros have been bad no matter the excruciatingly slow “fixes” applied to them and yes i ve been around for that long.
I keep seeing “necros are bad” threads all this time and since i share their concern i cant help but wonder, why do people keep playing that class?

And before you say “lol what are you talking about reapers will be awesome” just think for a moment, has arena net ever bothered fixing the key element that makes the necromancer what he is, like minions or damage over time effects?
Sure necromancer may have high survivability skills but thats just it.No damage or cc or reliable minions to shine in pvp and even pve group content.

So i check the forums once in a while even logging in to check some new content with my human necro in hopes of seeing a change but arena net keeps dissapointing us year after year and as i see it, they certainly will with the coming years and/or expansions

So im asking again why do you even bother playing this “wannabe” necromancer class?

/End rant

I bother because I love how the Necro plays, and Necro is my favourite class of all time ever. And if you can’t be assed to bother, try Rift or Age of Conan, both of those MMO’s have Necromancers, too (and while I don’t want to be too mean to our GW2 minions, Rift necro pets are WAY better. Somewhat controllable, longer lived + regen hp after battles/can be directly healed, AI and pathfinding work like a charm 97% of the time, and they seem more useful than our minions… one does a lot of damage, one “taunts” mobs (although it is more like the taunt we’ll get in gw2), and one is a caster-type. And not to forget the awesome contagious explosions… clearing trashpacks was never easier in dungeons).

I hate it because I love it.

CratZ.6270:

haha, Anet already think shroud is OP in its current form and its the main reason we cant have nice things.

Anything that we get becomes OP because our class name is necromancer apparently. When same mechanics are on any other class they are fine.

We just need to learn how to use it… lol /s

Personally I play the necro (was gonna give it up before blood magic rework) simply because I like to play the B-52 of my guild. I have a tanky well-bomber that suits me very well and although I only use him for WvW he is still my favorite. I “may” make a reaper for PvE eventually, but that depends on what content we get in the next year there.

L Step.8659:

Some people just like to watch the world burn.

And some are masochists.

“And some are sadomasochists”

There; fixed that for you.

@OP: Why did you keep calling it “guildwards 2”?

Also, I enjoy my Necro. A lot.

vergil.6195:

… why do people keep playing that class?

Because Necromancer is Arenanet’s Hard mode. Nothing like starting with a handicap to make me strategize and play efficiently.

I play necro to shatter the egos of all the tryhards in PvP.

I truthfully like to think reaper will fix some issues. Greatsword might actually do some reliable melee damage with a power build I really hope better then dagger. Plus the new reaper shroud looks like it may do some actual dps that isn’t used mainly as a survival mechanic but actually wanting to use it in fights for pve

A longing for the GW1 necromancer mostly. Hard core nostalgia. I probably developed an affinity for the necromancer because of my affinity for death.

I bother because I don’t play pve much at all, and I love the whole dark/poisonous theme to the necro. Class really doesn’t matter much in normal spvp and even in competitive spvp, players like Nos prove that necro can be viable. In WvW we are pretty boss too!

The player will always matter more than the class

If people stop playing the class, it’ll only prove the team right not to put so much resources into improving the class.

Quaman.9167:

I bother because I don’t play pve much at all, and I love the whole dark/poisonous theme to the necro. Class really doesn’t matter much in normal spvp and even in competitive spvp, players like Nos prove that necro can be viable. In WvW we are pretty boss too!

The player will always matter more than the class

Player* like Nos.

Let’s be honest there’s really only one high tier competetive necro.

NeXeD.3042:

Quaman.9167:

I bother because I don’t play pve much at all, and I love the whole dark/poisonous theme to the necro. Class really doesn’t matter much in normal spvp and even in competitive spvp, players like Nos prove that necro can be viable. In WvW we are pretty boss too!

The player will always matter more than the class

Player* like Nos.

Let’s be honest there’s really only one high tier competetive necro.

Let’s be honest, in EU it’s harder to pull off a necro in a comp. Many more viable teams. NA had a 2 rampage war comp cheese through to 2nd place in the last ESL.

Horror and death metal fanatic, highly empathetic and philosophical, fascinated with emotion, capable of being terribly selfish and completely selfless… Necromancer suits who I am as a human being basically, lol.

I like to suffer the pain of my parties burden by lifting their conditions (Plague Signet), growing stronger for each that I draw. I like wanting to be hit instead of wanting to get away (Spectrals). I like putting the corpses of my enemies to better use (Life Force). I like the image of cutting my palm for power and subjecting my target to the pain I’m feeling (Blood Is Power). I like waiting for my target to feel like they have a failsafe only to turn it against them (Corrupt Boon). I like blood… I like to hurt and to be hurt… You get the idea. I’m a weirdo.

Why do I bother? Because I genuinely find Necromancer to be the most fun class to play, both thematically and mechanically.

in PvP necro is a class that can turn your skills against you and turn buffs on their heads, send a fleshy undead army against you or simply pummel you in to submission, and in pve they’re good all rounders that offer excellent damage while being reasonably tanky. Let’s not forget the EotM feartrolling, which is a sport in and of itself.

About the only thing I dislike about necro is the colour scheme, because Green just isn’t a colour I like

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Horror and death metal fanatic, highly empathetic and philosophical, fascinated with emotion, capable of being terribly selfish and completely selfless… Necromancer suits who I am as a human being basically, lol.

I like to suffer the pain of my parties burden by lifting their conditions (Plague Signet), growing stronger for each that I draw. I like wanting to be hit instead of wanting to get away (Spectrals). I like putting the corpses of my enemies to better use (Life Force). I like the image of cutting my palm for power and subjecting my target to the pain I’m feeling (Blood Is Power). I like waiting for my target to feel like they have a failsafe only to turn it against them (Corrupt Boon). I like blood… I like to hurt and to be hurt… You get the idea. I’m a weirdo.

This! Necromancers really are just fun.

L Step.8659:

NeXeD.3042:

Quaman.9167:

I bother because I don’t play pve much at all, and I love the whole dark/poisonous theme to the necro. Class really doesn’t matter much in normal spvp and even in competitive spvp, players like Nos prove that necro can be viable. In WvW we are pretty boss too!

The player will always matter more than the class

Player* like Nos.

Let’s be honest there’s really only one high tier competetive necro.

Let’s be honest, in EU it’s harder to pull off a necro in a comp. Many more viable teams. NA had a 2 rampage war comp cheese through to 2nd place in the last ESL.

That team is actually better and more Creative than people give them credit for, ironically I would call the guy who played guard for them the 2nd best Necro in NA and even played something else… so I’m bit sure where the na vs eu necros is coming from….. literally just sounds like another person who always assume EU is better and more skilled than NA. I have accts on both… there’s really not much difference. EU may have more people who are super serious about tourneys… doesn’t mean they are more skilled means they’ve played together longer. NA would have some amazing teams if everyone didn’t hate each others guts

I bother because I have fun with my necro character. I was a necro in GW1 with the name Rootseed Akrasia he had crazy green hair. When they announced that you get to preserve your name and that that there was a plant based race called the Sylvari who were elf like I figured it was destiny. I used to role play offline (dungeons and dragons etc) so I’m into character building as much as play mechanics. GW2’s character heavy theme keeps me going. I hope to see more of it in HoT. I’d love to see more personalized interactions like you find in games like Infamous and Fable where your choices have real consequences. I love the duality of my character. In GW1 my character was originally a Necro/Ranger and later Necro/Monk. Now I’m a creature of the nature, light and growth that harnesses death and darkness to save the world.

BTW I hate power gamers in any style of play MMO, Role Playing, Card games etc. I appreciate and respect the theory crafters who figure out powerful new game play styles but the power gamers who are only about speed runs and only play the current meta take the fun out of playing for a lot of people. Some of them get off on this. I like competition. In GW1 we had a competitive HoH team and won it several times. Competition is fun but no one screamed and shouted when we lost and no one was left to feel like an outsider. I really hope the new content is anti zerker.. Would love it if they pushed us to have diverse teams again. Sometimes just sometimes I miss the trinity play style as required multiple build types on a team.

most of us don’t get off on making it unfair for other players… we are competetive…. nothing wrong with that, you don’t see us kittening about rpers.

vergil.6195:

As you can probably tell, one of the main reasons i started guildwards 2 was the necromancer class since no other mmo genre has a class that can resemble one.
Since the start of guildwards 2, necros have been bad no matter the excruciatingly slow “fixes” applied to them and yes i ve been around for that long.
I keep seeing “necros are bad” threads all this time and since i share their concern i cant help but wonder, why do people keep playing that class?

And before you say “lol what are you talking about reapers will be awesome” just think for a moment, has arena net ever bothered fixing the key element that makes the necromancer what he is, like minions or damage over time effects?
Sure necromancer may have high survivability skills but thats just it.No damage or cc or reliable minions to shine in pvp and even pve group content.

So i check the forums once in a while even logging in to check some new content with my human necro in hopes of seeing a change but arena net keeps dissapointing us year after year and as i see it, they certainly will with the coming years and/or expansions

So im asking again why do you even bother playing this “wannabe” necromancer class?

/End rant

Well tbh, i’ve never seen the times where they’re ment to be rubbish tbh.

not now atleast,

no CC?

Staff has Plenty of CC within it.

Daggers have some of the longest immobilizes in the game.

Warhorn has a Daze.

Foci has Chill..

no Damage?

Lich form does TONS of damage.

Condi builds have alot of spike damage now + burns on Shroud 1 with the stacking process

Pets are bad on all classes tbh, that isnt just a Necros problem.

they’re not OP like some classes or got bugs which are game-breaking like the Mesmer and Engineer no, but they’re not underpowered tbh..

Necromancers are awesome, and not a day have i regret rolling with the necromancer, its alot of fun n does plenty of damage and has plenty of capability and Reaper will only make us better.

For me it’s about being good at the class no matter how anet decides to tie me down when i play it. no reliable cc avoidance? Bring it, i’ll find a way around. No blocks or evade skills? Bring it, i’ll fight the world anyway. Necromancer’s tainted shackles are quite ironically named though, we are slow enough to the point where we may as well be wearing shackles. But still, i don’t care. My reaper will be a god if i have to supplant Grenth himself.

(Yes, i said reaper, because my necro is more or less shelved until heart of thorns.)

I play necro to try get them nerfed through the QQ threads of my victims. Just had a warrior whisper me today about how cheesy and op I was after I destroyed him in a 1v1, it was quite amusing and I hope he creates a thread about it.

vergil.6195:

So im asking again why do you even bother playing this “wannabe” necromancer class?

I’m having fun.

I share your skepticism about the reaper (slow melee only shroud looks suicidal) and I’ve been pretty vocal in criticizing overall necro class design (DS anti-synergy with other skills). That said, playing my necro post-patch has reminded me of why I loved leveling and playing him a few years ago.

So I beat an ele today and he said it was only because I used perplexity runes. I switched to exotic armor and light him up with nightmare runes. He died just as fast. Then he said necros are op. I said, no, necro condi is weak in general but strong if forced to push condis back to caster. He spamed me so many condis so I pushed them With plague signet and then hit him with signet of spite, followed by a doom. Not my fault he burned his stun break with my staff 5 opener. I almost play Necro to hunt bad players/class of the month players because good ones eat our class.

I never agreed with people saying Necros are bad or sub-par. The one thing which made Necro a little different in the past was that you had to use much more of your brainpower and energy to hit that “effectiveness spot” whereas you could roll Mesmer or Ele and use half your brain and still perform well. This doesn’t mean the class wasn’t good overall, imo. It was good, but it wasn’t that easy and you couldn’t relax too much while playing it (competitively – one mistake dead). I also realized this after this patch. It used to sometimes feel like you gave so much energy in an sPvP match and no matter what you did, it just didn’t hold up in certain matches…. whereas now…. finally… it feels like I can use half a brain and steamroll through matches like with other classes.

Why I play Necro? A debuff class is 10000000x better than a simple DPS class
….and….. cuz GW1..

i used to play the necro, till they ruined wells.
before the downgrade however, i was always the first to kill and the last to survive……and ppl still call it the worst profession…..

Simply because I enjoy it

My main is my engineer, I love playing him. However I love my Necro just as much. Sure there are issues, but these small issues do not take away from the fun I have playing my necro. I am a condition build necro and I love watching mobs/players slowly being poisoned/bled to death. Its great.

I also love how tanky I am in Fractals and Dungeons. Also there is nothing better than dropping “Well of Corruption” in a WvWvW enemy zerg and seeing all those lovely boons being turned into debuffs.

Everyone loves a low-tier hero.

Cuz it’s the strongest profession in the game.

Because its fun, and she’ll be even more awesome when i can use my Eternity on her. My only complaint with necro honestly is the lack of mobility. But people seem to think “it would be too OP if it was survivable and had mobility * cough * shout heal warrior * cough *” I’d just like a dash or a teleport that doesn’t take 57 years to cast and you could walk there faster in the time it takes you to cast it, like flesh wurm.