Guild Wars 2

Serious question not trying to flame bait or anything, been away from the game for quite a few months, I see that the Necromancer has seen some changes and one that’s repeatedly under fire (no pun intended) is the trait Dhuumfire. Adding burning definitely made condition necros more lethal, but why is this trait considered OP when Engineers had Incendiary Powder for as long as I could remember as an Adept trait? I know it’s getting moved up to masters next patch and that this comparison in a vacuum is not fair. So in the context of the Necromancer, how did gaining burning suddenly push the class over the edge?

Bottom line… its not. Condition’s are the new Meta and Necros are the king of conditions (as they should be)

Think about the trait by its self for a second. It’s a Grandmaster trait that provides 2s of burning on crit. Engineer has a Adept trait that causes 4s of burning on crit (yes its moving to Master tier and im peeved as i also play Engi) but overall none complains about IP and states its broken.

Necromancer (Conditionmancers specifically) have a great lockdown/burst combo using conditions and its easily countered, when nubs cant/dont counter it they jump on the forums and QQ about how OP something or another is.

Ill agree that changing the trait to add maybe 4 or 5s of Torment on crit would be cool as its more in like with the necromancer lore/play style (it would also open up new sigils) but the burning is not OP at all

I’m still fairly new to the condi Necro side (power necro for the most part) but its adds 2 things. Strong extra damage and another blanket condition to cover up your bleeds. Since Necros can self stack a lot of bleeds (which is where most the damage comes from) plus weakness, cripple, burn, chill, vuln, blind, it makes it hard for some classes to clear all of these conditions so bleeds and burn tick longer, thus more damage. Also being able to rapidly reapply it all…

Like I said I’m still learning Condi for PvP so I might be wrong…

Gotcha, that makes sense. Last time I played, D/D cantrips Eles were still king, Warriors were considered free kills, Rangers were just starting to be called OP and Engineers started experimenting with HGH. The Necro would benefit from a condition meta no doubt, seeing as they are the only class who can freely bounce them back. So in conclusion, Dhuumfire is a scapegoat for other issues surrounding the current meta, thank you for your time!

It’s actually rather week by itself. Half duration burning, for 30 traits in a non-condi dam line, with very long CD.

It’s just because the necro has more condi’s than can be cleansed.

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It’s actually rather week by itself. Half duration burning, for 30 traits in a non-condi dam line, with very long CD.

It’s just because the necro has more condi’s than can be cleansed.

700+ dmg a second for 2-3 seconds every 10 seconds as long as you can crit isnt weak if you ask me.

not weak but not op either.
dhummfire add the kick for condition necro. the problem is people tend to blame others and as necro they deemed us as free kill in wvw. i think all class pack a heavy condition removal now so why the hell are they complaining about a simple burn on necro? doesn’t fit the lore? how about changing it to 3 stacks of torment? (i bet people will scream harder if this happen).
condition can be easily removed. unlike direct damage + cc that you cant do anything about it

as i say this trait is not weak, but definitely not over powered either

burning is op no matter what class. dhuumfire is smallest of problems in that matter.

in greater scale staff etc. aoe condition blabla condinecros can burst out is just over the top but they’re not alone in that matter either it’s just how it is atm. too much aoe this and that it’s ridiculous.. who cares about focusing just drop dps bombs.